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Dutch Win World Solar Car Challenge

Sick Boy writes "The Dutch solar car Nuna II, using ESA space technology, finished first in the World Solar Challenge, a 3010 km race right across Australia for cars powered by solar energy. Having set off from Darwin on Sunday 19 October, Nuna II crossed the finish line in Adelaide in a new record-breaking time of 30 hours 54 minutes, beating the previous record of 32 hours 39 minutes set by its Dutch precursor Nuna in 2001."

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  1. bravo, jongens! by Potor · · Score: 2

    ik wens u met uw overwinning in Australie geluk.

    1. Re:bravo, jongens! by mirko · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, he may at least have translated...
      According to wordlingo, the above meant: "I wish with your victory in Australie luck you."

      (yes, I know : online translation is still a concept)

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    2. Re:bravo, jongens! by mrjb · · Score: 2, Informative

      "indeed, congratulations cheeseballs! a humble little Belgian greets you."

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    3. Re:bravo, jongens! by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2, Informative


      In english, the same was true in the past with 'thee' and 'thou' as the formal variant.


      Erm, not correct. "thee" and "thou" are the informal variants. "you" is the formal one, and today only the formal one is used .... and in common sense it transformed by that into the informal one. So you are half right anyway :-)

      Ah ... now I wait for that guy who will mod this as flaimbait ... as usually all my posts where I correct someone get modded down as flaimbait ... likely because there isa /.er who really hates me.

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  2. Are solar panels really all that great? by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While it's nice that we can get power out in the middle of nowhere (and face it, most of Australia is "the middle of nowhere"), doesn't the environmental damage posed by the building and throwing away of these solar panels negate much of the benefits of having a non-fossil fueled car?

    That said, you'd think that a country with more cloudy weather would do better at squeezing the last little bit of energy out of a solar panel than somewhere sunny like Holland.

    1. Re:Are solar panels really all that great? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      The thing is nobody said that the solar panels were developed in Holland. Cloudy weather has nothing to do with it. Solar panels came linea-recta from ESA (ESTEC). They are Ga-As solar cells used on space sattelites.

    2. Re:Are solar panels really all that great? by pommiekiwifruit · · Score: 5, Funny
      Well Australia was of course called "New Holland" before the pommies got there.

      In Australia they have signs on the road every 50km or so saying "Drowsy Drivers Die". In other countries they have an alternative to keep them awake, called "scenery".

    3. Re:Are solar panels really all that great? by milosoftware · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In Holland, we have signs that say 50 because that is how fast you're allowed to go. We have fully automated "cash machines" on 'strategic' places (read: wide straight road) that will take a picture of the license plate of every car that is caught driving 51 or more, and to complement, we have aggressive BMW drivers honking and flashing headlights behind anyone driving less than 50.0

      By the way, the Dutch weather is more like UK than like Aussi.

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    4. Re:Are solar panels really all that great? by CvD · · Score: 5, Informative

      They have software managing all the energy uses. There's lots of sensors picking up lighting conditions, road conditions, load on the engines, incline, wind, etc. They all feed into some computer which is in one of the follow cars. This then recommends the driver at what speed he should be going.

      They were actually hoping for overcast skies, as this is where the car can really gain on the competition, with the battery/panel management software. In sunny weather every car can drive top speed, but when its cloudy you have to start being clever with your solar panels input vs. battery usage vs. speed (energy usage).

      Also, they have pretty efficient solar panels: 3000 Gallium-Arsenide Triple Junction solar cells, 24,5+% efficiency (total 9 square meters).

      They also got specially designed tires. Very low roll resistance. The electric engines are mounted in the wheels, so there's no power loss in transmission or gearing.

      And of course the frame is a monocoque structure (it doesn't need an internal frame/chassis), of lightweight composites.

      These are just some of the things they did. I'm getting this from their website, which is unfortunately in Dutch.

      And no, we don't capitalize the 'the', only at the beginning of a sentence. :-)

      Cheers,

      Costyn.

    5. Re:Are solar panels really all that great? by Viceroy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, the solar cells were developed and manufactured in the US by companies like Spectrolab and Emcore. They are then assembled and encapsulated by Hans Gochermann in Germany. ESA only purchased the cells and sponsored them to the Dutch team. But they are GaAs cells that were to be used on space satelites.

    6. Re:Are solar panels really all that great? by CvD · · Score: 2, Informative

      Some newer cars, and luxury cars have had this for a while. Its basically a MPG indicator. It'll show you how many MPG you're currently driving at. When you accellerate, it goes up... when you're coasting, you barely use anything. Quite useful yeah, but in general traffic, you basically have to go with the flow and usually don't have the choice.

      Otherwise there are ways of driving economically. Accellerate slowly, don't press the gas pedal more than you need to accellerate (there's a point when you press the accellerator but the engine doesn't develop any more power, but it uses more fuel - you should avoid that). And basically don't drive to fast either... higher speed = higher wind resistance.

      But these guys took it to the extreme. They probably also considered changes in elevation... used regenerative braking and stuff like that.

      Cheers,

      Costyn.

  3. Smoke and a pancake? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    No? I zee zat zere ees no pleesing you. Zee dutch won! Iznt zat veird?

    1. Re:Smoke and a pancake? by Crash42 · · Score: 5, Funny

      No? I zee zat zere ees no pleesing you. Zee dutch won! Iznt zat veird?
      No! No! No! that is German.
      In Dutch it's more like : I see dat der is no pliesing joe. Issent det wierd ?

      Congrats to the Dutch Team !!

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  4. Solar energy propulsion... by aaribaud · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...now we've got a fRying dutchman.
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  5. Simpsons quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    "I prefer a vehicle that doesn't hurt Mother Earth. It's a go-cart, powered by my own sense of self-satisfaction."

  6. Point of origin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
    Having set off from Darwin
    OK, you can stop there. That pretty much explains everything...

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  7. Re:Doesn't sound that incredible by questamor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The area of the contiguous 48 states (which is what's relevant here) is almost identical to the area of Australia. perhaps 3-5% bigger.

    If you include Alaska (which is about 1/5th the size of the 48) in the total that's quite a bit bigger again, but still doesn't bring the US near 3 times the size.

  8. Techonology transfer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The only problem with these cars is that it is hard to transfer the technology to real cars. These solar cars are covered with panels and are streamlined to go as fast as possible. They also have to be as light as possible for the same reason. Which makes the transfer that bit harder. That is not to say the race isn't a good idea. It's a great idea which enables peaple to have fun while investigating the power of the sun.
    Michael Harris.

  9. Hooray! Electric cars for all please! by adeyadey · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So the big question - are we getting close to practical electric cars? Ok the vehicles in this competition are a "tour-de-force" of solar technology, but perhaps one day we could really have cars with advanced light-weight cheap batterys (thanks to advances in laptop/mobile batteries), and solar panels to charge when you leave your car parked in daylight. Also add regenerative braking, a fairly rapid recharge cycle, and for longer journeys give the garages something to sell - they can "hot-swap" batteries for a fully charged one, for a price. Is that the future, or is it Hydrogen fuel cells? Or some combination of both?

    Again, I just cannot figure why we still persist with nuclear, oil, coal, with all the attendant problems (pollution, wars over oil, etc), when we could cover a small proportiion of the deserts of the world with solar cells, and the roofs of our buildings, and the coasts with huge offsiore wind farms (British Wind Enrgy Association page) & tidal turbines, and have all the power we need?

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    1. Re:Hooray! Electric cars for all please! by Spruitje · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, on the other hand...
      We have a large desert called the Sahara in Africa.
      Space enough, sunshine enough and enough sand to make solarpanels.
      I've read somewhere that if you put enough solarpanels in the Sahara it could produce enough electrical power to power the whole world.

    2. Re:Hooray! Electric cars for all please! by shrubsky · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Again, I just cannot figure why we still persist with nuclear, oil, coal, with all the attendant problems (pollution, wars over oil, etc), when we could cover a small proportiion of the deserts of the world with solar cells, and the roofs of our buildings, and the coasts with huge offsiore wind farms (British Wind Enrgy Association page) & tidal turbines, and have all the power we need?"

      There's a very good reason why, and it isn't politicians and evil oil companies. It's money. When alternative power sources become cheaper than fossil fuels people will use them more. Go visit http://www.bpsolar.com/homesolutions/ and see how long it would take for your solar panels to pay for themselves. If you don't live in a state like California who subsidizes the heck out of them (and coincidentally has a budget disaster in progress) then it takes 30 years. And that doesn't count the investment earnings you lose by ponying up $$$ for the equipment and installation.

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  10. Re:Doesn't sound that incredible by Craigj0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Firstly as others have pointed out AUstralia is about as big as the US. But additionally since this road race is not really a race but a rally no cars can break any road rules so no speeding where speedlimits exist and there is other traffic besides the contestants.

    I can see it now:
    The dutch car stuck behind some slow family on a vacation in a caravan taking up the middle of the road.

  11. Re:Doesn't sound that incredible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Darwin to Adelaide is 3000km or roughly 1875 miles. That's a little more than the distance from Detroit to Florida.

    This is why so many people here think "Ignorant American" is a tautology. I've got five bucks that says you've mistaken Australia for Austria.

  12. Re:Doesn't sound that incredible by pubjames · · Score: 5, Informative

    australia is at a guess a third the size of here.

    I just love the sense of geography you have in the USA!

    It's like every time a discussion of how behind the USA is with broadband or mobile phone technology, a load of you pipe up with "but the USA is so big! That's why we're behind!"

    Get yourself a globe (not a flat map - they distort the sizes of countries.) Cut out a shape approximately the same size as the USA, then position it over other places in the world. You will find that the USA isn't as big as you thought it was.

  13. Re:Two Points by Cronan · · Score: 2, Funny

    Perhaps for the UK a car running on rainwater would be a better idea?

  14. Speed limit! by valentyn · · Score: 4, Informative

    the report (in Dutch) says: "gemiddelde snelheid van 97.02 km/h" and also "de gehele dag gemiddeld zo'n 110 km/h gereden, de snelheidslimiet in South Australia.". In English: "average speed of 97.02 km/h" (60.29 mph) and "the whole day an average of 110 km/h, the speed limit in South Australia". The race takes place on public roads, remember?

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  15. Re:Doesn't sound that incredible by mev · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...they have less than a third of the prison population that the US has...

    According to web sites such as
    this and this, the prison population in Australia was approximately two orders of magnitude less than that in the US. The total population is also an order of magnitude less.

  16. Re:We forgot to mention... by MooCows · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not really, 30 teams total, from 12 countries.
    Here's a list

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  17. Solar Panels bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just wait till the Dutch team arrives at the Annual Windmill-powered-car Challenge next year!

  18. Re:We forgot to mention... by sijajno · · Score: 2, Informative

    Winner's site (Dutch): www.nuonsolarteam.nl

  19. Day five results by caffeine_monkey · · Score: 2, Informative

    are available here, in PDF format unfortunately. Rounding out the top five behind the Dutch are Aurora Vehicle Assn, MIT Solar Electric Team, Queens University, and FH Bochum/SBU.

  20. "Cheeseballs" by gwappo · · Score: 2, Funny
    For the casual slashdot reader; the Dutch and the Belgians appear to have a "thing" with eachother, whereby the Belgians are quite convinced the Dutch are cheap and eat only cheese. The Dutch, on the other hand, are convinced the Belgians are stupid & dumb.

    From this, the casual Slashdot reader can immediately conclude two points, 1) The Dutch are not cheap, nor do they only eat cheese since, if this were true, the profound intelligence required to reach such a conclusion would mean Belgians are not stupid. 2) Given -1-, the writer of this post must obviously be Dutch.

    :-P

    Klasse lui!

  21. Re:Doesn't sound that incredible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    lol! try again.
    Australian Literacy : 100%
    American Literacy : 97%

    source : CIA world factbook.