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Slowing PS2 Dents Sony Profits

Thanks to BBC News for their article discussing the fall in Sony's quarterly profit by 25 percent, blamed partially on "feeble sales in many products - most notably games hardware." The article points out: "Sony's game division, which produces both hardware and software for games, saw its sales fall to 161bn yen in the third quarter, from 250bn yen a year earlier", and a Reuters article adds analysis, pointing out the 91 percent operating profit reduction was partly down to "...additional research and development cost for next-generation microchips", as Sony ramp up R+D for the PlayStation 3. But although an analyst commented that "...the game division was hit harder than we had anticipated", the company will still be making a nearly $1 billion overall profit for the year, with PS2 by far the most popular, currently best-selling worldwide console.

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  1. uh huh suuuure by nocomment · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That had nothing to do with Nintendo's price drop huh? I'm not buying into it.

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    1. Re:uh huh suuuure by aliens · · Score: 1

      This is for the entire quarter. The Cube price drop was too recent.

      It's more like they're reaching a market saturation point.

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    2. Re:uh huh suuuure by DrEldarion · · Score: 1

      I think it has more to do with the fact that everyone and their mom already has a PS2, so there's nobody left to buy one.

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  2. Not surprising... by Bagels · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sony's pretty much saturated the market - everyone who wanted to buy a PS2 has had ample opportunity to do so by now, so the attention is now starting to shift towards second consoles like the GCN and XBOX.

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    1. Re:Not surprising... by Gr33nNight · · Score: 1

      I still havent gotten a PS2, Im waiting for it to be $99, and then all the games I want to play will be $20. Good times..

    2. Re:Not surprising... by trixillion · · Score: 1

      Consider that:
      1) PSX has ~100 million units since it was released.
      2) PS2 has sold ~50 million units since its release.
      3) Growth curves typically see a decline in growth past the halfway point.

      From this we may conclude:
      A) PS2 has not yet saturated their market.
      B) PS2 unit sales are probably just past their halfway point.

    3. Re:Not surprising... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, in your mythical statistical world with 2 variables, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the input.

    4. Re:Not surprising... by G-funk · · Score: 0, Troll

      This just in: People don't want to pay A$350 for a 3 year old console.

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    5. Re:Not surprising... by trixillion · · Score: 1

      I should know better than to feed a troll, but f'it. I've done analyst work in this industry. Ask any industry analyst and they will tell you basically the same thing. This has nothing to do with hitting the sales ceiling and everything to do with industry's seasonal sales cycle, and the industry's generational sales cycle. I focused on the latter as it is more relevent in the long term. If you are going to knock someone elses comments, at least have the balls to show your identity.

      "your mythical statistical world with 2 variables". I'm glad you weighed in from the real world where statistics (actually I had refered only to OED's), time and sales do not exist but are merely mythical. Time for your medications.

  3. -bringing it on topic by UltimaL337Star · · Score: 0

    Let's say you're suggesting that the PSX might save sony's extra ass untill the PS3 comes out. The PSX is definetly going to be sold for more then 500$ retail and most likely have the same sell rate as the NGAGE, but it's in no way meant for the average person anyway, think of it as that giant quad opteron air compressed cooled system we'd all like to have, but don't need. It'll also most likely be in between the next generation and this one, but if i remember right it should come out sometime 2004... atleast in japan.

    1. Re:-bringing it on topic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Buying at all in to this generation was buying into obselesence in a way that was painfully obvious.

      At least if the consols had secondary uses (already had a dvd player) that would promise to persist that would be something. And in the case of the PSX just flat out sweet, esentially it's a sony PVR with DVD recording with bundled PS2. I think that behavior and lack of tact shrunk their market this cycle. More people, who would have bought early, waited or bought used. It's late enough through this cycle, I might not buy into this generation at all (depending on PSX price in North America, and what the PS3 and Xbox2 hold). At this point it would take one of those special games I can't not play. Will some sweet GTA version fill that bill? Virtual On 3? (hate the sony controllers though) It's been a long, LONG time since there has been a game that I felt that way about.

  4. This Begs the Question... by slappyjack · · Score: 1

    Just HOW MUCH shit do corporations expect all of us to buy in the fucking first place?

    You wanna keep your profits from taking a huge dump after some time? Stop trying to get all of us to buy your product the second it dumps onto the market.

    DON'T spend 30 million dollars in marketing and advertising just to skew the natural bell curve.

    If the product is good, people will buy it, period.

    People need to learn a litlte patience and get a fat hunk of common sense and stuff like this won't be news anymore.

  5. The irony here... by peaworth · · Score: 1

    If the talked about manfacturing cost vs. price numbers for the XBox are to be believed, a slowing in hardware sales of the XBox would BOOST profits for Microsoft.

    1. Re:The irony here... by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 1
      No it wouldn't genius.

      If Microsoft spends $2000 (I'm using false numbers to illustrate a point) to produce an XBox, they are at -$2000. Now, if that XBox does not sell, they remain at -$2000. Let's say they sell it for $500, they're at -$1500. See how easy that is to figure out tough guy? Not hard at all.

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  6. PS3 is far far away by yem · · Score: 1

    Didn't I read that the CPU for the next Playstation wont go into production until late 2005?
    That's a loong time in the console industry.

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    1. Re:PS3 is far far away by X-Mustang · · Score: 1

      Samples of the cell processor are rumoured to be available from IBM now. It will probably take Sony a year to debug the silicon and get the compilers to a level where programs will run at a decent speed. Next comes the fun part of integrating four of those cell processors onto a PS3 motherboard and convincing game devs it won't be a bear to write code on.

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    2. Re:PS3 is far far away by musikit · · Score: 0

      a friend on mine is working at IBM on the chip and so far results are not good. i wouldn't expect that date to be wrong although they'll try to push it for Xmas next year.

    3. Re:PS3 is far far away by blincoln · · Score: 1

      Developers are working with prototype PS3 hardware right now. I am betting on a release in late 2004.

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    4. Re:PS3 is far far away by HoppQ · · Score: 1
      Developers are working with prototype PS3 hardware right now. I am betting on a release in late 2004.


      PS3 in late 2004? Haha, you're funny. You are right in that developers already have dev kits for PS3 (although they might be just software emulation of the expected capabilities of the PS3, not actual prototype hardware), but that doesn't mean the release of PS3 is imminent. A little over a year of development does not a good game make, and Sony probably wants at least one good launch title for PS3, not that Sony got where it was by having good games on its consoles (*ducks*).

      But seriously, next year will be the time for handheld battle, with Sony bringing forth PSP and Nintendo possibly countering with a new handheld offering (and then there's Nokia, they are funny too). The first next-gen home console to come out will most likely be Nintendo's next-gen device, which they haven't even officially announced yet. They may announce it early next year, giving it the launch date of late 2004 earliest, and I still wouldn't bet on it. Sony and Microsoft would then follow in 2005/2006.

      Why I consider Nintendo to be first? They already dropped GC's price to $99. They can sell it at that price maybe for a year, at which time Sony and MS will have probably dropped price too, making GC a less actractive choice for console buyers. A new console with new games could sell nicely then, especially if the competition's next gen hardware isn't there yet (although their hype most certainly will be). Nintendo also doesn't obsess with doing the mainstream stuff, so they're happy to release whatever it is they have when they feel like it. Sony and MS will probably be more keen on observing the competition and making sure the competion doesn't have anything considered cool by mainstream players that they themselves don't have in their own consoles.

      And then there's the games. Sure, PS3 dev kits are around, but so are dev kits for all the other next generation consoles. And Nintendo hasn't been a slow mover there, either. For example, Metroid Prime 2 may well have been in various stages of development ever since the release of the first MP, and it probably was already then known what hardware platform it will be released on (not the current GC). And notice how many of big Ninty published games come from third party developers? Makes you wonder what the hell Nintendo's internal R&D teams have been up to all this time.

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  7. "Refurbished" PS2s.. by MMaestro · · Score: 1
    Do these sales include the profits gained from "refurbished" PS2s? I donno the mechanics of whats going on with those, but the fact that they're selling repaired PS2s has got to hurt their own sales from freshly made PS2.

    I think this is just an early sign of Sony feeling the heat from Microsoft and Nintendo. The only way you can ignore Microsoft and Nintendo as a factor in this case would be either,

    A) you're a Sony fanboy or
    B) you know nothing about economics.

    1. Re:"Refurbished" PS2s.. by Spleener12 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I think this is just an early sign of Sony feeling the heat from Microsoft and Nintendo. The only way you can ignore Microsoft and Nintendo as a factor in this case would be either,

      Considering the fact that Sony is still in the lead by a metric fuckload, I don't think "feeling the heat" is the right word here. But Sony is definetly not as dominant in this generation as they were last time. Back then, you had the N64 which had a handful of good first party titles and the PS1 had everything else.

      Now we have the GC which, while still mostly relying on good first-party titles, has a lot more of them this time around, the XBox which has a few good exclusives (Halo, KOTOR) and the advantage of online play (yes, PS2 and GC have it too, but the XBox comes with a hard drive and modem, whereas you need to buy those add-ons with the others,) and the PS2, which has, well, everything else. It's two "B" systems and one "A" system as opposed to one "A" system and one "C" system.

      So, yeah. Sony's still winning by a landslide, it's just a much smaller one.

  8. Don't mod parent insightful by brkello · · Score: 1

    Because its not. The drop in the Gamecube's price was too recent to have any real effect on Sony's profit. I am sure it is just because everyone who was in the market for a console already has a PS2. Most people now are getting a second console (since they already have a PS2). So now is the time for Nintendo to shine by outselling Xbox due to the price drop. There are always exceptions to this (someone just has an Xbox, etc.) but Sony's gaming hardware profit will continue to slide until it comes out with its next version of the PS2, the PS3, or the PSP. I'd like to see Nintendo do well too, but let's not give it more credit than it's due.

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    1. Re:Don't mod parent insightful by nocomment · · Score: 1

      *sigh* I guess I shoulda put a winky in there, it was supposed to be funny. :-/ I'm sure the gamecube did affect it somewhat but in barely noticable numbers when compared to the whole quarter. A couple weeks of getting spanked by Nintendo is still nothing compared to the last few months of Nintendo getting spanked, I am aware of this. It's called "joking" people!! come on! this is slashdot!! :-)

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    2. Re:Don't mod parent insightful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      stfu already, jesus....

    3. Re:Don't mod parent insightful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, i'm Jesus. I kill vampires for fun.

  9. C) option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    OR
    You're not fucking retarded and you understand that with a saturated market and an aging technology, you're going to sell fewer units.

    Seriously, it sounds like you're the annoying anti-Sony fanboy, just as bad as the Sony fanboys.

  10. *cough* by brkello · · Score: 1

    or C) most of the people who buy gaming consoles have already bought a PS2.

    I don't care who "wins", some would probably say the winner has already been decided (as far as sales and profit goes). But to think that Nintendo and Microsoft are a big factor in this and then accuse people of not knowing anything about economics...well, I will refrain from making any insulting comments.

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    1. Re:*cough* by Metroid72 · · Score: 1

      I haven't.
      Not untill it hits $99 and I can get a hold on 8 greatest hits for $200.
      Meanwhile, it's cubeland baby.

  11. Price drop by Spleener12 · · Score: 1
    This news erases all doubt in my mind that they're going to drop the price of the PS2 (hopefully to $99) before Christmas. The only people who don't have a PS2 who would ever get one are probably just waiting for the price to go a little lower anyway. :)

    This probably didn't have that much to do with the GC's price drop (espcially since this is about sales for the entire quarter, not just the past couple of weeks,) but sales will not get much better if they continue selling PS2s for almost twice the price of Gamecubes.

  12. Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And people thought Nintendo was going the way of Sega because they were expecting only a $555 million in profit.

  13. epiphanic moment... by smaffei · · Score: 1

    Maybe people are starting to realize that it's just not a really good video game system like XBox or GC. That PS2 has a ton on blah titles with only a few really unique, satisfing games.

    Naaaaah....

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  14. Sony isn't just the PS2 Company by KNicolson · · Score: 1

    Although they seem to have been kept buoyed up by their successes in the console area, they have a pretty large portfolio of other stuff. However, recently they've been falling behind a bit in a lot of departments, especially in Japan. All the other big home electronics companies are doing pretty well, and I could rattle off some of these other comapnies' new products from TV adverts in Japan, yet all I can remember from Sony is their PS2 ads plus generic corporate "It's a Sony" adverts. I'm sure these ads must actually do feature a product or two, but I can't for the life of me remember what.

    As for their market for PS2 sales: recent adverts have featured more primary-school-aged kids and retired people as the owners - presumably they've saturated the 10-40 age bracket?