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Cringley on Microsoft and Linux

brentlaminack writes "Time for this week's dose of I, Cringely. This week the Cringe talks about Ballmer's Orlando comments from this week. He compares Ballmer's comments with Linus's. Nothing new here for the /. group, but a good read for the non-technical."

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  1. C-Class players by gmuslera · · Score: 4, Funny

    So in UPNP the people that worked there were C-Class players... ok, but then, where are the A-Class players for Microsoft? In the NBA? Because they don't seems to be working on Windows neither.

    1. Re:C-Class players by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      where are the A-Class players

      Ummm, they are at Microsoft and most every other software company too. Don't you know that most companies, as a policy, only hire the top 1-2% of all programmers?

    2. Re:C-Class players by ch-chuck · · Score: 5, Funny

      where are the A-Class players for Microsoft?

      Marketing and Legal.

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  2. Re:Well said by DrEldarion · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah, I hate still having to deal with horrible projects like Bob.

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  3. Whooosh! by Moderation+abuser · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's the sound that Open Source makes as it screams at high speed over your head...

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    1. Re:Whooosh! by deranged+unix+nut · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'll start writing test plans and automated tests for linux as soon as someone is willing to pay me a professional wage to do it.

      Until then, I'll continue to join the 1200+ testers that work on windows, and probably around 8000 testers that work at Microsoft.

      I use linux at home, but it isn't worth enough for me to contribute to. In fact, I love many aspects of unix design and have many flavors of unix in my home network and linux is fun to work with. Testing requires significant thought and work, as much or more than the development of the application itself!

      Just my $.02 - My personal thoughts, which have little to do with what my employeer says.

  4. Re:Well said by cK-Gunslinger · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah, I hate still having to deal with horrible projects like Bob.

    You misspelled 'Clippy.'

  5. Failure by apoplectic · · Score: 2, Funny

    UPNP is a decent example of Microsoft failure. But nothing is more fun to pick on than...

    Microsoft Bob!!

  6. Re:Well said by OzPhIsH · · Score: 4, Funny

    And I liked the part where he compared Microsoft Support to the Psychic Friends Network.. Hey, maybe he's on to something here... They can have the solution to my problem ready before I even call, and give me lotto number to boot.

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  7. Re:Opinion: Ballmer's Slip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    You can use statistics to prove anything. 37% of all people know that.

  8. Re:History of Linux by OzPhIsH · · Score: 3, Funny

    No, they were both invented by SCO.

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  9. The truth about Linux everyone seems to miss. by frovingslosh · · Score: 3, Funny
    Everyone seems to have missed this. Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer have never mentioned it. Linus has never made this observation. And Robert X. Cringely doesn't seem to get it either. But here is the simple reason why Linux and other free software will always far exceed anything from Microsoft.

    Microsoft is producing the software to make money; that's a given. And it's often stated that Bill is driven by a Borg mentality to beat the other players in the industry and to own everything. Which makes a lot of sense; a lot of the evil illegal things they do can not be explained just by a motivation to get money, they already have the money.

    And it stated in this article again that open source software development is based on a desire to make this software free. And personal reputation of the developer. And other motivations. But here's the one major driving motivation to Open Source Software that no one else seems to be willing to state:

    Open Source software is largely driven, and will continue to succeeded, because of a hatred of Bill Gates. It's as simple as that. People hate Bill Gates so much that they are not just willing but glad to donate tens or hundreds of hours of their time to anything that would make projects that Microsoft competes with better. And the more illegal things he does to try to destroy other software and to take over the software world, the more this will continue to be true.

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    1. Re:The truth about Linux everyone seems to miss. by Thurn+und+Taxis · · Score: 2, Funny
      Some of the things I've read by RMS lead me to believe that there is at least a part of him that hopes that his software will help contribute to the downfall of proprietary software.

      I think you're right. Here's a bit of code I found in the latest version of emacs:
      void microsoft()
      {
      int i;
      double hate;
      bool gates;
      char him_mercilessly;

      for(ever) {
      free(software);
      }
      }
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    2. Re:The truth about Linux everyone seems to miss. by kasperd · · Score: 2, Funny
      > for(ever) {
      > free(software);
      > }
      That looks like a segfault waiting to happen. LOL.

      With apropriate defines it will work. Example 1:
      #define ever ;;
      #define software NULL
      Example 2:
      #define ever ;0;
      #define software "Hello World!"
      Example 3:
      #define ever ;1;
      #define software (exit(0),"")
      Example 4:
      #define ever ;8;
      #define software (return,"to sender")
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  10. Re:Never see it? by dtfinch · · Score: 4, Funny

    They should have adoption ads like the animal shelter has for pets.

  11. Re:Well said by zulux · · Score: 5, Funny

    The compairison has been done! Really!

    PSN did pretty well compaired to MS.



    Microsoft Technical Support vs. The Psychic Friends Network

    Microsoft Technical Support vs. The Psychic Friends Network

    In the course of a recent Microsoft Access programming project, we had three difficult technical problems where we decided to call a support hotline for advice. This article compares the two support numbers we tried: Microsoft Technical Support and the Psychic Friends Network. As a resultof this research, we have come to the following conclusions: 1 ) that Microsoft Technical Support and the Psychic Friends Network are about equal in their ability to provide technical assistance for Microsoft products over the phone ; 2 ) that the Psychic Friends Net work has a distinct edge over Microsoft in the areas of courtesy, response time, and cost of support; but 3) that Microsoft has a generally better refund policy if they fail to solve your problem.

    In the paragraphs that follow, we will detail the support calls we made and the responses we received from each pport provider. We will follow this with a discussion of the features provided by each support provider so that readers can do their own rankings of the two services.

    Our research began when we called Microsoft regarding a bug that we had detected when executing queries which pulled data from a Sybase Server into Microsoft Access. If we used the same Access database to query two databases on the same server, we found that all of the queries aimed at the second database that we queried were sent to the first database that we had queried. This problem existed no matter which database we queried first. Dan called Microsoft's Technical Solutions Line, gave them $55, and was connected with an official Microsoft Access technical support person. As Dan began to explain the problem, the support person interrupted him, and told him that since it was clear that it was not just a problem with Access but with the two programs together, Microsoft would not try to help us. They did,however, have a consultant referral service with which he would be glad to connect us. Dan then asked if we could have our $55 refunded, since Microsoft was not going to try to answer to our question. The tech support person responded by forwarding Dan to the person in charge of giving refunds. The person officially in charge of giving refunds took Dan's credit card info again, after which Dan asked about the referral service. It was too late, however - the refund folks could not reconnect Dan with the tech support guy he'd been talking with, nor could he put Dan in touch with the referral service hotline. End of Call One.

    Our second call came when Dan was creating some line graphs in Microsoft Access. Microsoft Access actually uses a program called Microsoft Graph to create its graphs, and this program has a "feature" that makes the automatic axis scale always start the scale at zero. If all of your data are between 9,800 and 10,000 and you get a scale of 0 to 10,000, your data will appear as a flat line at the top of your graph-not a very interesting chart. Since Dan was writing Visual Basic code to create the graphs, he wanted to be able to use Visual Basic code to change the graph scaling, but he could not find anything in the help files that would tell him how to do this. After working with Microsoft Graph for a while, Dan concluded that it probably didn't have the capability that he needed, but he decided to call Microsoft just to make sure. Dan described his problem to the technical support person, whom we'll call Microsoft Bob. Microsoft Bob said he'd never gotten a call about Microsoft Graph before. He then left Dan on hold while he went to ask another support person how to use Microsoft Graph. Microsoft Bob came back with the suggestion that Dan use the online help. Dan, however, had already used the online help, and didn't feel that this was an appro

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  12. Wrong attribution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
    Good article, but Cringely makes a mistake here:

    Against Ballmer's glib...


    Ballmer didn't write glib and that's a fact.
  13. Can't undercut free? by CatLord42 · · Score: 2, Funny
    From the article:
    How can Microsoft compete with that argument? It's hard, and the internal struggle to come up with a good response is evident in Ballmer's remarks. They certainly won't respond on price, since there is no way to undercut free. So we're back to the usual campaign of fear, uncertainty and doubt.
    I'm not sure how it could work for Microsoft, but they could offer to pay people to use their products... :-)
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  14. Re:Forgotten Element in Commercial and Open Source by YOU+LIKEWISE+FAIL+IT · · Score: 3, Funny
    Try to sneak in some code that *breaks* the software.

    Come out with your hands up, Archangeli!

    ( Just kidding! )

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  15. Re:Uhh... by big-magic · · Score: 2, Funny

    If Feynman was slow, the rest of us are moving backwards.

  16. Re:he forgot the biggest difference of all by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 2, Funny

    but anyhow, the largest reason open source [projects are] better ... is because you have millions of people around the world looking at it, testing it, not just coders, but everyone.

    Unless that project is XFree86... because looking at it just paralyzes you with FEAR.

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  17. Re:Linux changes MS, too by iceT · · Score: 4, Funny

    Anecdote time.

    Windows NT4 had no utility to show the uptime of a running server. It was stored in the kernel, but there was no tool that came with the operating system that would display that information.

    But, Microsoft DID release a unsupported set of tools called the Resource Kit. The Resource Kit was, as you would expect, all the tools that would be of USE to a system administrator, like a remote shutdown tool, a remote command tool, just to name a couple.

    In there, there was a utility you could use to display the uptime of the server.

    The format that the server displayed was:

    HH:MM:SS.s

    So, much like the 'no one would EVER need more than 640KB of memory', whoever wrote that tool couldn't even comprehend a system that was up for more than 99 hours, and 59 seconds.

    My server at home has been up for 68 days, 11 hours, 26 minutes.

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  18. Re:Well said by zulux · · Score: 2, Funny

    Bill usually knows how to pick a winner, it just takes it a while to cross the line.

    I agree. Bill chose Unix way back in the 80's and it looks like Unix will win.

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  19. Re:Bill Gates is a stupid man by RoadkillBunny · · Score: 1, Funny

    No, he is not. He realizes that he dosn't have this skillful fork force to make software that is up to standard, but he can make software for the noobs. Do you thik a noob cares that his computer crashed when all he is running is MSN on a nice and sleek desktop. They don't care if their computer looses most of it's data due to a cyber attack as long as they can look at the silver start bar mooving up and down. How many real programers use MS for work? CHEERS --RoadkillBunny

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