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Nintendo Comment On Alleged Problems

Thanks to GMR Magazine for their feature interviewing Nintendo executives about alleged issues with their console strategy, as "a sentiment spreading throughout the industry holds that Nintendo is marching its own way right out of the home-console business." Perrin Kaplan of Nintendo suggests there are three ways to look at her company's position: "One would be how we are doing financially, and we're clearly No. 1. Second, where are we perceptionwise, and we suffer being third there. And then the third is the actual reality of the market share, and I'd say that we're No. 2 worldwide." She also takes Xbox to task, suggesting Microsoft's console may be too adult-oriented: "They chose to pick a certain segment of the demographic, and Microsoft is having a heck of a time expanding out of that. That's their niche, the older guy."

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  1. Sounds right to me by semprebon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When we got a console for our kids, we picked GameCube over XBox for because GameCube seemed to have more kid-friendly games, so there is some truth in what he says.

    On the other hand, being percived as more mature can't hurt XBox sales in the long run as those kids get older.

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    1. Re:Sounds right to me by jrc313 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But like he says - there are always kids turning six.

    2. Re:Sounds right to me by k_187 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      NO, it will drive away the 8-17 or so year-olds. The only people that care about a console being perceived as "kiddie" are the ones that care about themselves being perceived as "kiddie" i.e. mostly teenage boys first being introduced to testosterone. Sony has this market locked up I'd say. In my personal opinion, until the PSP becomes non-vaporware, Nintendo doesn't need to worry about growing beyond this "kiddie" niche. There will always be the people that don't care (which is a larger portion than you'd think, the ones that do are just the louder of the two). Nintendo has the handheld market, always has, there's more competition now, but I doubt if any of it is a serious threat beyond Sony. The next gen of handhelds is where the real interesting battle is going to take place. My money's still on the Big N though.

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  2. Where's the new stuff? by h0mer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One thing that I think hurts Nintendo tremendously is their lack of creativity lately. How many original characters have come out of them recently, ignoring throwaway Mario Party/Kart/Golf/Tennis characters like Waluigi?

    I think they need to create some sort of "adult" character. The game doesn't have to have tons of blood and carjackings and other GTA stuff, just a character that doesn't look like a cartoon. There is Samus, but yet again that character is about 15 years old at this point.

    You would think Nintendo could create another awesome franchise, especially after all this time. Pikmin doesn't cut it.

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    1. Re:Where's the new stuff? by Gr33nNight · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Thats why they have 2nd parties like the creaters fo Eternal Darkness. That game owns BTW, and you can find it for $15 now.

    2. Re:Where's the new stuff? by Snowmit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Now you're going in circles. The reason that Nintendo is making games using established characters is that they *are* marketable. People are buying the latest Zelda and the latest Metroid *because* we know the characters and we know the gameplay and we know that we'll probably like the new one too. The issue of sequels and licensed properties goes beyond Nintendo, actually. It's something that the whole industry is talking about a lot. Some people are arguing that sequels stifle creativity, others are arguing that sequels give you a little more freedom to push the boundaries.

      Imagine if they'd tried to market Metroid Prime without the Metroid part. "Uh, it's a FPS ... but you don't really shoot very much ... there's some jumping and exploration ... and uh .. it'll be great." vs "It's a Metroid game, but in 3d with a first person perspective."

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    3. Re:Where's the new stuff? by DLWormwood · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Now you're going in circles. The reason that Nintendo is making games using established characters is that they *are* marketable.

      The point I think the earlier poster was trying to make was that Nintendo has stopped making mascots/characters that could be marketable in the future. Resting on their laurels and all that... Even companies like Disney, who have a large stable of classic characters like Mickey and Donald under perpetual copyright protection, continue to churn out new characters like Ariel and Simba.

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    4. Re:Where's the new stuff? by gmhowell · · Score: 2, Funny

      Simba and Ariel are ~ a decade old. Mickey and Donald don't bring in much money. Disney's cash cow is... Winnie the Pooh and the gang from the hundred acre woods.

      Look at Disney's most recent attempts at new character creation: mulan, pocahontas, Hercules. Haven't seen many of those toys except at the release of the respective movies.

      Disney's real profitability comes from buying senators to preserve Mickey and Donald, and lawsuits against milne's family. Oh, and outright theft in the case of Kimba...err...Simba.

      What does this have to do with video games? I dunno.

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  3. Nintendo isn't clueless after all by cdneng2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perrin's pretty much hit the nail on the head on Nintendo's position in the console wars. It would seem that Nintendo's future looks much brighter for the holiday season... Let's see... #1 selling console in the United States right now, at $99. They probably have the largest number of anticipated games coming out for Xmas.... They're probably the "second" console of choice for gamers who want more then one console... plus they've got a stranglehold as being the "family" friendly game console.
    Microsoft has been and will always be losing money on Xbox. Sony is losing profit in hardware sales because their console sales have eroded. Nintendo's has increased.
    MSFT's marketing machine in North America is much more refined then even Sony's is. However, they also spent millions more then anyone else has in marketing (just because Bill can). Considering that Nintendo spends a fraction of MSFT's marketing cost promoting the Xbox, Nintendo's market cost per console sales makes it easier to sell the Cube at $99.
    Also, Nintendo is in a nice niche right now. It doesn't need to compete for the "older" gamers. Why spend the marketing money? Let MSFT and Sony spend millions in marketing to slug it out for what's left of a saturated "older" gamer market.

    1. Re:Nintendo isn't clueless after all by drewmca · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They probably have the largest number of anticipated games coming out for Xmas

      Well, maybe the largest number of games you are anticipating. People forget that this isn't an objective business when talking about game or console quality. Everyone's opinion varies. Personally, there's only one game that I see in the next year coming out for my GC that's worth buying, and that's the next Zelda. The only marquee title for GC exclusively this holiday that I know if is Mario Kart, and it's just not my speed. May be a great game, but not my thing.

      Personally, I see a lot more stuff coming out for xbox this season that appeals to me. Things like Rainbow 6, Counterstrike, Deus Ex 2 (which looks AMAZING), Crimson Skies, etc. The rest of the games I see coming out that interest me, like XIII, Metal Arms, etc., are crossplatform, so they don't count.

      One thing a lot of Nintendo zombies keep droning on about is how the older market is saturated. They seem to think that Nintendo will beat sony and MS because of all of the young gamers they're appealing to now. When those gamers grow up, the argument goes, they'll be loyal to Nintendo, and Nintendo's market grows. I think a chimpanzee could watch what has happened over the past 10 years with "Nintendo loyalty" and realize that this is just wishful thinking. When young gamers grow up, they want to play more mature games. If Nintendo doesn't offer them, and there's 2 other consoles out there that do (along with the teen-friendly allure of "graduating" into something more mature), then history has shown what will happen.

    2. Re:Nintendo isn't clueless after all by drewmca · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nintendo's list:

      1) Something with Mario and mushrooms and cars

      2) Something with Mario and mushrooms and golf

      3) Something with Pokemon

      4) Something else with Pokemon, but this time with GameBoy connectivity!

      5) Some pacman rehash

    3. Re:Nintendo isn't clueless after all by PainKilleR-CE · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Personally, there's only one game that I see in the next year coming out for my GC that's worth buying, and that's the next Zelda. The only marquee title for GC exclusively this holiday that I know if is Mario Kart, and it's just not my speed. May be a great game, but not my thing.

      Personally, I see a lot more stuff coming out for xbox this season that appeals to me. Things like Rainbow 6, Counterstrike, Deus Ex 2 (which looks AMAZING), Crimson Skies, etc. The rest of the games I see coming out that interest me, like XIII, Metal Arms, etc., are crossplatform, so they don't count.


      Personally, I have a lot of games I want for each console this coming XMas, but your list simply reminds me of why I might be out of touch with the more general audience, and have been since Counterstrike and Rainbow 6 were first released for the PC. Crimson Skies looks interesting to me, and Deus Ex *might* be interesting, but CS and Rainbow6-3 not in the slightest. XIII hasn't looked remotely interesting to me since I first heard about it.

      Mario Kart I will definitely buy. Then there's Pikmin 2, FF:CC (though that's definitely after XMas), and a handful of other games. Most of the games I'm looking forward to for XBox are cross-platform games, with Crimson Skies being the notable exception. Most of the games I'm looking forward to on PS2 are RPGs.

      Personally, though, I don't see why people keep buying the crapload of slow-paced FPS games that have been shoveled out since R6 and CS came along, any more than I understand why people will keep buying Madden every year (though I've played either CS or R6 more times than I've played Madden). Hell, even playing Madden 2004 I didn't see why it was any better than the MS football game I bought last year (because it was cheaper than the others, got the same ratings in most mags, and I went through a short phase of wanting some sports games for tactical gameplay that was missing elsewhere).

      Of course, many of my Cube titles are sequels of games from previous Nintendo consoles, and I really can't say that bothers me much. Perhaps a big part of it is simply that I skipped the last 2 of Nintendo's consoles and really missed a lot of the great gameplay from their titles. Additionally, though, they are sometimes (if not always) willing to take risks with their franchises, something not many others have done lately. Metroid Prime is definitely not the Metroid I played as a kid (but Metroid Fusion is close, and I enjoy that, as well). Super Smash Bros. is just a fun, simple game that utilizes a great selection of recognizable characters. Zelda is certainly not the same old Zelda (for better or worse).

      On the other hand, Nintendo is working on original titles (which they quickly make into franchises it would seem) such as Pikmin and Animal Crossing, though how strong the characters are remains to be seen (I think the characters in Animal Crossing will probably not outlive the game or be very universally recognizable, though they are good characters as you play the game). They're also working hard with other developers to make strong 2nd party offerings (like Eternal Darkness and the stuff they're working on with Namco, including the 1st party Pac-Man (which of course is a Namco property)).

      I just don't really get a lot of recognition that way from Sony. I couldn't even tell you what 1st party titles there are from Sony, it's all about which 3rd parties they have on board, and we've seen some of them branch out to other consoles recently. Frankly, I don't enjoy seeing franchises that I grew up with on the Nintendo still coming out on the PS2, since it's easily the worst of the 3 consoles. I will buy Castlevania and probably more FF games, but I will also cringe as the games get closer and closer to the limits of what the console can do (FFVIII did this for me on the PS1, as well). But it's hard to blame the developers, since Sony's got the market share, regardless of the hardware.

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  4. and the problem is? by li99sh79 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    "They chose to pick a certain segment of the demographic, and Microsoft is having a heck of a time expanding out of that. That's their niche, the older guy."

    uhm, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't "older" guys (and when I say older I'm talking twenties and thirties) the ones with the most disposable income and the time to actually play games? It seems to me that Microsoft is, or is trying to at least, steal away the "Nintendo" generation. The kids who grew up playing NES and SNES. Worked with me at least. It might be a niche, but it's a hell of a niche to have cornered.

    -sam

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    1. Re:and the problem is? by irix · · Score: 3, Interesting

      but aren't "older" guys (and when I say older I'm talking twenties and thirties) the ones with the most disposable income and the time to actually play games?

      No.

      I might have the money, but I have work and family commitments now - I'm lucky to get in a few hours of gaming (GameCube or PC) each week. And I did grow up playing a lot of NES and SNES, so I'm partail to the big N.

      Right now with my limited spare time I prefer the ability to play a few extremenly high quality titles then a lot of mediocre ones - so I own a GameCube rather than an XBox.

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  5. Rated "E" mean "Everyone" by Snowmit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Game Cube is having serious issues with their appeal to the older, say teenage to adult, crowd. Many of my gaming comrades believe that the game cube controller is shaped in a perculiar way for a reason ; to be shoved up the mother's cervix in order to reach it's intended audience.

    Oh, puu-leeze. The only people concerned with "looking adult" are teens who are so worried about looking like a kid that they deny themselves fun things because a kid might enjoy them too. Real adults have stopped caring about whether or not we look like kids and will do fun things because they are fun. Nintendo's games are fun. And cheap!

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  6. Re:Ask yourself this simple question... by wynterwynd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If they didn't have explaining to do, they wouldn't be doing these interviews. Period.

    I don't agree - I think this latest wave of Nintendo-bashing is the very reason they're trying to get their side of the story out. Granted, they had a slow start and now with 3 successful consoles to develop games for that take upwards of 2 years to complete, some licensees are jumping off the big N's ship. But Nintendo is far from out of the game and is actually in a very strong position to come back IMO. As long as they can produce good games, and they still can, they will continue to be a significant force in the market.

    Nintendo does have a long history of not trusting it's precious franchise with certain game developers and/or burdening licensees with restrictions and non-standard technical requirements; the recent bailouts shouldn't come as too much of a surprise in this light. But if they can survive the disaster that was the N64, then they can survive this. I don't understand what triggered this rush of story after story of how Nintendo's failing and faltering, but I can't help seeing them as an attempt to create a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    Perception is everything.

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  7. That's a bit of circular logic by cgenman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You don't work much in public entertainment, do you?

    Apple hasn't had to give a bunch of interviews about why iTunes and iTMS is being perceived as unsuccessful.

    No, but Apple has had to give interviews constantly since 1995 to explain that they are doing fine financially and any system you purchase from them will be supported for years to come.

    It's a matter of public perception. Why spend X many dollars on a system if it is going under? That makes it useless. But if Billy says that Nintendo is going under because they don't have GTA and Microsoft does, and Nintendo says nothing, it must be true. Of course, by your logic if Nintendo starts bringing out pieces of paper with lots of impressive numbers on it, they must be lying.

    People and companies don't explain themselves unless they have explaining to do. I love how they always talk about worldwide terms on the Nintendo side. I don't live worldwide, I live in the US. EA, Activision, THQ, Take-Two, these are not worldwide companies and don't care about the Gamecube's success or failure in Japan. They want consoles in the houses in the US and Europe and Nintendo just isn't delivering.

    I'd like to mention here that Activision was extatic about the sales reception our game recieved in Korea, and were looking to release in more territories there. Publishers care about selling games, not about whom they sell them to. Of course, publishers tend to specialize in their own region because that's where they're drawing their talent pool from. If what you want are FPS Computer Games, then westernized companies are the way to go. However, you're ignoring the more console-centric Japanese developers such as Konami, Treasure, Sega, Namco, Capcom, etc, whom any console company also needs to placate.

    While you may not live worldwide, they do sell worldwide. And worldwide numbers should matter to gamers buying a system: Sega's systems have routinely tanked in the US, but thanks to sales in Japan US gamers were still treated to Shenmue, several legendary Treasure shooters, great incarnations of Street Fighter, and many others. Even the Sega CD got Lunar 1 and 2 as well as some of Core's finest work. The Jaguar tanked everywhere: and games were completely nonexistent.

    If you want to be a small-town gamer and bury your head in the American Sand, that's fine. Eidos et. al has some Legacy of Kain love stored up for you. But you will be missing out on the industry's best fighters, RPG's, twitch arcade games, racers, and many other underrepresented genres.

    Nintendo does these interviews to change public perception. Saying that attempting to change public perception automatically validates that perception is as convienient an oversimplification as saying that because you live in America you automatically don't have to care about what happens abroad. If you don't want to have to think about the world around you, that's your prerogative. But don't expect your perceptions to translate to that of EA, Activision, and the rest of the western producers.