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Panther Released into the Wild

u2fan00 writes "Those fortunate enough to have an Apple Store near them were in for a treat last night -- crowds! Oh, and also Panther. Check out the local reactions, photos and stories from some stores across the nation."

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  1. Re:Consumerism at it's worst... by david614 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    humorless killjoy pull the wings off any butterflies today?

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  2. Re:Silly Apple stores... by edalytical · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is why I didn't go to the Apple store last night. I really wanted to go, but if I had I would have bought Panther for $129.00 even though I'm entitled to Panther for 69.00. So instead of impulse shopping and buying with my credit card, I'll wait a few day till I have $69.00 then I'll use my check card to buy from Apple online. Pity though, image how many more copies Apple could have sold to folks like myself, probable could have added a significant amount to their release day sales figures.

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  3. Re:weird, Just got panther installed, launched saf by corebreech · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Guess you never ran Linux on a Mac.

    I've got Yellow Dog Linux 3 running on the original Rev. A Bondi iMac and it is as beautiful a sight as I've been treated to by computers. Very fast, very responsive under Gnome.

    OS X on the same machine by contrast is an exercise in futility. The spinning ball never stops spinning. It crashes. It's slow. It's almost completely useless.

    I guess that makes me an ass-clown too. :)

  4. Re:Avoided the whole problem, personally by Malor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who, me? You mean I'm supposed to WANT to go stand in line with hundreds of people and stand around for an hour while everyone froths with praise for St. Jobs and The One True Way of Apple?

    Sure, I might do that for a Linux gathering, but Apple? No way. :-)

  5. Re:MacDaddy in Modesto, CA by demon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Check your requirements list - I'm pretty sure MacOS X 10.3 completely deprecates _all_ OldWorld systems now - the last officially supported OldWorld systems were the beige G3s, and I believe they are now officially _not_ supported. So you may be stuck with 10.2.x on your beige machine.

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  6. Re:MacDaddy in Modesto, CA by istewart · · Score: 2, Insightful

    XPostFacto is software to allow installation on OldWorld machines, found at http://www.opendarwin.org/projects/XPostFacto/. I've already verified that the 10.3 installer gives a kernel panic when booting on the Beige machine in question, but the point of XPF is to have drivers for the hardware that is unbootable with a stock install. Since the source code to Darwin 7.0 underlying Panther was released last night, it should be good to go in short order.

  7. Re:Quick questions directed at Mac users. by doce · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Note that you WILL NOT be using your mac to play games. The games support just isn't there. You can play a small, random, usually not terribly good selection of the games that were released for the PC six months to a year ago. As a developer, your mac will make you extremely happy. As a gamer it will not.

    the selection of games available on the mac isn't random, actually. other than the small smattering of games that are released simultaneously on Mac and PC, the others are games that make it over because they were profitable.

    it doesn't matter how cool a game is, how many copies it's sold on the PC... if it's not profitable, it will not be ported. period.

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  8. Re:10.3 - bleh. by curtlewis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I upgraded and just everything works fine.

    There is a problem with Toast 6 and how bootable disk burning is handled in Panther, but as long as you don't want to make a bootable disk in Toast, it works fine from my experience. Just burn the bootables with Disk Utility. I'm sure Roxio has an update for Panther in the works.

    It should be noted that I don't run any system hack widgets off someshadysite.com. I'm thinking the problem children with upgrade issues are running hack widgets that need updating for Panther.

    Solution: Remove widgets before upgrading. That should be obvious anyways.

  9. Re:Material World by Bi()hazard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    would life crumple if one were to avoid the crowds and pick it up the next time you happen to be near the electronic store?

    Life would crumple, because it wouldn't be as much fun.

    These people aren't lining up and throwing parties because expose and fast user switching are going to change their lives. They're throwing parties because they want to throw parties, and the release is a good excuse to get all the mac users out there for some fun.

    The guys who wait in line for an hour are not spending an hour of their lives to get OS X a day earlier, they're spending that hour hanging out with friends, making new friends (they all have something in common-being fans of the os-so it's a good way to meet people), and enjoying themselves.

    The "cult of consumerism" is a real problem only insofar as consumers allow themselves to be exploited. Some may argue that Apple's policy of charging full price for annual upgrades is exploitative, but there are many who feel the pricing isn't unfair. Do the math, and it actually beats the cost per year of Microsoft's professional (ie, no product activiation) versions of windows. Apple is not a designer clothes brand selling the same materials from the same foreign country with a more famous label and a tripled price. Neither is Apple a monopoly gouging consumers without alternatives. The consumers in this picture are lining up like partiers outside a club. Look elsewhere if you want to find cattle.

    For a hint as to where to look, try Keenan's recent paper, "Modern Dynamics in Consumerism: The Brand as a Proxy for Tribal Identity." It's an intriguing look at the effect of corporate branding on individuals' social lives. Certain social circles share a disturbing number of characteristics with cults, and the cult paradigm is a useful tool in analyzing how the most materialistic among us operate.

    But getting back to the party at the Apple store, it worked really well for me, Panther wasnt the only cat I picked up. While we were hanging out waiting for the release, I ran into a girl who was touching up the digital version of her latest painting on her powerbook, and we ended up, um playing with our new kitties together after the party. You have no idea how hard it is to meet other lesbians who aren't raving, battle-axe-wielding, death-to-all-men feminists these days.

    So, while the "cult of consumerism" is a real force in modern American society, the Panther release is a very poor example to use. It's just a case of people using a convenient excuse to have a little fun.

    p.s. pickup games of medal of honor over airport with the rest of the line rock!

  10. bittersweet memories by HBI · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's kind of sad that this is the only place where you get that same kind of ...release buzz...that you used to get back in the late 80's or early 90's almost regularly.

    The industry just plain sucks nowadays. The shrinkwrap software market is dead. I walk into computer stores and find no one at shelves. No one is really buying anything. Computer shows are pretty much dead, even the swap meet kind. Building your own system is only for old geezers like me. The old local geek meetings like computer clubs pretty much barely exist. The onset of the net killed BBS's dead, eliminating that 'local' link.

    This was ultimately the result of Microsoft's dominance. I curse everything I ever did to facilitate it. Sadly, with every day I got up during the 90's to go to work, I helped in many ways, along with thousands of others.

    Stupid.

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    1. Re:bittersweet memories by HBI · · Score: 5, Insightful

      i think tim berners-lee'd have something to say about that.

      While some of the effects I listed were exacerbated by the presence of the web and the net, I note that Fido didn't destroy everything even though it had a lot of the characteristics of today's Internet. (in fact we had an Internet gateway back then in Net 107 heh heh)

      Microsoft, on the other hand, with preinstalled software and draconian licensing, as well as the desire to kill off all commercial competition in most markets, and making those who were in the tools business hang on with their fingernails to solvency (thinking Borland here), pretty much killed the shrinkwrap market for OS and applications. The net effect of this was to invalidate the whole reason for building your own box (for anyone but a hardcore geek) and even thinking much about office suites and the like - it's all Microsoft now. For that matter, the rise of OSS tracks this very action - if you can't compete commercially with them, the only resort is to compete for free. In some respects it's the transition from a business/hobbyist market to a utility. Computers are like the phone now, just less reliable. I don't think this is necessarily a good thing either, mind you.

      Without the monopoly dominance, we might have had a chance of preserving the hobbyist nature of the net and computing in general. We were basically exploited to provide Microsoft with 60 billion in the bank, while running around willy-nilly fixing computers and patching for worms and cleaning up infections. Now it's 2003 and the hobby I used to love doesn't exist anymore. It sucks ass.

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  11. Re:My God! by tintruder · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Bittorrent is a distributed filesharing app/client.

    It isn't for distributing Linux builds exclusively, but rather is used much like kazaa etc, for all sorts of content.

    There is a client for Windows, of course.

    I think the original poster was pointing out the fact that various Bittorrent Trackers have been offering OSX Panther for a few weeks now by downloading 3 seperate CD Images.

    One might look at the current state of affairs at:

    http://forums.torrentskickass.com/macboard/viewtop ic.php?t=4390

    Interestingly, the easiest way to download is a Windows PC, but the image format is easiest to burn on a Mac.

  12. Re:Silly Apple stores... by TMacPhail · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It was better if you ordered it online anyways. I got mine by noon friday even without expidited shipping. And I'm in Canada too.

  13. Re:Why all the hubbub? by ilctoh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But yet that pesky butterfly still flutters out of the reach of the cat and the penguin.

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