Openfiler Storage Management Software GPL'd

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Openfiler Storage Management Software GPL'd

Posted by simoniker on Sunday October 26, 2003 @03:26AM from the free-as-in-gratis dept.

An anonymous reader writes "According to an article on The Inquirer, a UK based company has set up a GPL'd Linux-based storage management project called Openfiler, and donated its code to it. There are some nice screenshots showing off its features. Apparently, the code itself will be available for download on 30th of October. There is a press release on the company's website. The concept of special purpose Linux distributions for enterprise applications seems to be picking up in recent years, with release of products from SuSE, Smoothwall and the like."

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Great-Ready! Aim! Moderate!. by Anonymous Coward · 2003-10-26 03:41 · Score: 0

"I, for one, welcome our new openfiling overlords."

Not if they have moderator points, you don't.
Interesting, but... by AKnightCowboy · 2003-10-26 03:46 · Score: 4, Interesting

This seems to be just something you'd install on top of an already installed Red Hat system. Are they going to provide complete minimized disk images? I couldn't tell from a quick glance at the site and screenshots. Basically it's just a web interface to the tools already included in Red Hat (Samba, NFS, etc.). I was really hoping for some all-in-one optimized and minimized distribution that you'd install on a CF card and just reflashed to update it to a newer version. Then throw in a 3ware or SCSI RAID card, a bunch of disks, and be off. If this is just a web interface for Red Hat it isn't that interesting.
1. Re:Interesting, but... by rmohr02 · 2003-10-26 03:55 · Score: 1
  
  Maybe they want to include the abilities you're referring to, and believe that it will be done better by making their product open source.
RAID by Rayban · 2003-10-26 03:46 · Score: 1

Looks sweet- doesn't look like it supports RAID management yet, but the other features are still killer.

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1. Re:RAID by drinkypoo · 2003-10-26 04:52 · Score: 1
  
  RAID tools are key. They need to get them working pronto. Without RAID, filers are all but useless. They should also be thinking about backup management. I'd wrap around amanda (now that sounds naughty) just because it seems to be something of a standard and it's reasonably powerful.
  
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Linux as application platform by heironymouscoward · 2003-10-26 03:49 · Score: 5, Interesting

I commented on this before, WRT to bootable Linux CDROMS for games.

Linux is an excellent platform for whole-system applications, i.e. applications that take over an entire system. This used to be a bizarre concept but today is perfectly sensible: hardware is cheap and if dedicated boxes make sense for firewalls, routers, and web servers, why not for enterprise applications too?

With Linux, the application designers can create a turn-key package that delivers a complete solution. The application does not even have to be GPLd unless it is derived from existing GPLd work.

The missing piece used to be device detection, but Linux is so good at this today that it has redefined the concept of "platform", which used to be an operating system, but is now simply random hardware.

The example of a bootable application CD based on Linux is an extreme one that I think shows the potential. Don't laugh: this is how many firewalls work today.

Last year my company provided an industrial application (a Kiosk) as a bootable Linux CD (on which there were three Debian layers, one for the boot server, one for the kiosk servers, and one for the kiosk clients). The application has not broken down a single time.

It works.

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1. Re:Linux as application platform by kfg · 2003-10-26 04:23 · Score: 1
  
  I may be one of the few (only?) people who actually miss the old StarOffice application desktop. I used to build "secretary/receptionist" systems that did nothing but boot into StarOffice.
  
  It was compact, powerful and slick as owl shit on a wet tin roof.
  
  I can still do it with OpenOffice, but it's a lot more work, a lot bulkier and less integrated.
  
  I've kept my 5.2 CDs. Stand alone, dedicated machines have real value where such is there intended purpose. Sometimes the computer is just the computer.
  
  KFG
2. Re:Linux as application platform by temojen · 2003-10-26 06:02 · Score: 2, Interesting
  
  I'm slowly working on one... I hope to have it semi-workable by late march.
  
  It's a 2 cd set... you put one CD in one computer on a lan (the server) and it allocates a bunch of free space on whatever filesysyem it finds (for spooling).
  Then you put the other CD in each of the workstations one by one... and it does a raw image of whatever writeable block devices it finds, and sends them to the server to be compressed and written to DVD-Rs
  
  Restoring is the opposite process, so it restores an exact copy of the system state except for the clock.
  
  The intended use is for backing up donated computers at election campaign offices so they may have uniform software installed (probably Linux) but be returned in the exact state they came in.
3. Re:Linux as application platform by xski · 2003-10-26 06:43 · Score: 2, Informative
  
  i.e. applications that take over an entire system. This used to be a bizarre concept
  
  Huh? A system reboot was the only way to 'exit' soooo many Apple ][ games precisely because they took over the entire system.
  
  Likewise early PC games, and even a few commercial apps.
  
  -x
You know may allready have been done, sort of by Crashmarik · 2003-10-26 03:50 · Score: 2, Interesting

There is the issue of Iomegas and Linksys Nas porducts. I could swear that they have a very linux feel in their particular network options. I havent tried it, but I have heard the same is true of the SnapServer.

If they are appropriating GPL'd code we may have several projects allready done
1. Re:You know may allready have been done, sort of by h2odragon · 2003-10-26 05:05 · Score: 1
  
  they probably are, but that doesnt mean its done... now thay have to be educated about the license they agreed to wehn they chose to use GPL code.
2. Re:You know may allready have been done, sort of by bluesguy_1 · 2003-10-27 01:12 · Score: 1
  
  Promise makes (made?) a device called the Connectstor II that most definitely runs Linux. You plug in two hard drives, fire it up, it configures it as either RAID 0 or RAID 1, and you use the web based interface (Apache) to configure the shares (Samba and NFS) via user accounts (/etc/passwd). If you write them and ask for it, aren't they obligated to give out source?
Good start! by kerubi · 2003-10-26 03:52 · Score: 3, Informative

This looks promising. There is not a lot of information on the site yet, but you can guess a lot from the screen shots. This is one to keep an eye on.

Apparently they plan to keep part of the software commercial by providing it means to access commercial code for some features.

To be successful in most common enterprise environments they will have to support MS AD for quota & user management. Perhaps that can be done through LDAP already.

They didn't mention backup options anywhere. They need to build NDMP support at least.

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1. Re:Good start! by Anonymous Coward · 2003-10-26 04:04 · Score: 1
  
  Looks like NDMP support is on the cards. The roadmap mentions NDMP.
2. Re:Good start! by Diag · 2003-10-26 20:53 · Score: 1
  
  I'd hardly call this "Storage Management" software. When it can look after Brocade, McData, Inrange and Cisco switches, Emulex, JNI, Qlogic adapters, EMC, HDS and IBM disk, Storagetek, and IBM tape drives... then it will be "Storage Management" software. And as for an "enterprise application", well...yes, bring on the NDMP support, and fibre channel multi-pathing and load balancing.
  
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Re:Great by weave · 2003-10-26 03:53 · Score: 4, Funny

I, for one, welcome our new openfiling overlords.
A new System V derivitive work. SCO, the supreme overlord over all Unix code, welcomes the new openfiling Intelectual Property to add to its growing portfolio.
Screenshots? by Anonymous Coward · 2003-10-26 03:53 · Score: 0

I thought the OSS world was fervently against screenshots?

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1. Re:Screenshots? by openmtl · 2003-10-26 09:10 · Score: 1
  
  Nah, times have moved on; we love screen shots since KDE et al got anti aliasing.
  
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Re:GNU/First GNU/Post by Perl-Pusher · 2003-10-26 03:57 · Score: 0, Offtopic

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Re:too bad by kfg · 2003-10-26 04:00 · Score: 1

". . . with the viral nature of the GPL, this will stifle both independent and commercial development."

Ooooooooo, shiney on one side, pretty red and white stripes on the other, and it wiggles.

Oooooooooooo.

KFG
Re:Interesting, but... RTFA by Avihson · 2003-10-26 04:00 · Score: 4, Interesting

" Openfiler will become a stand-alone Linux distribution."
Right now it is sitting on top RH. They are planning on a stand alone version, as soon as they incorporate all of the legitimate user requested features and squash any bugs.
If there is no interest, then they will move on to something else. If there is great interest, then they will continue developing.
Rome wasn't built in a day.
Why do all 'overlords' posts get modded funny? by Ibag · 2003-10-26 04:02 · Score: 1, Offtopic

I realize this is offtopic, but bear with me.

The simpsons is a funny show. Well placed allusions to the simpsons can also be funny. However, every other thread I read has an allusion to the same stupid quote. Sometimes, the quote is well placed. For example, in this poll . However, most of the time it is just awkward and stupid. By saying "I, for one, welcome our new FreeBSD overlords" or "I, for one, welcome our new geneticly-engineered-to-be-rich-in-beta-carotine corn overlords," both the origanol quote and well placed references to it lose value.

We should not mod these posts as funny unless they really are. Think of the consequences. Think of the children! Would it not be nice if, years from now, they could find the quote funny instead of cliched?

Alas, I fear that my cries will go unheard, so I, for one, welcome our new unfunny overlord post overlords.
1. Re:Why do all 'overlords' posts get modded funny? by Ibag · 2003-10-26 04:07 · Score: 0, Offtopic
  
  Never mind. It looks as if it got modded down from +3 to 0 while I was replying.
2. Re:Why do all 'overlords' posts get modded funny? by weave · 2003-10-26 06:32 · Score: 1
  
  Ah yes, but if you make a remark that is a derivative of the overlords quote, you get modded +5 funny -- even if you forgot how to spell derivative correctly!
  (Awaiting the double karma hit on this post and linked post for pointing this out! :)
Re:pateNTdead eyecon0meter shows green by Anonymous Coward · 2003-10-26 04:14 · Score: 0

James Joyce called. He wants his schtick back.
Re:too bad by Lussarn · 2003-10-26 04:15 · Score: 1

Your probably think IBM would donate JFS to the Linux kernel if the kernel was BSD licenced.. Oh yeah..
Linux as application platform-Patent me. by Anonymous Coward · 2003-10-26 04:16 · Score: 0

OH I agree.
I hear MS is making a system like this. by MongooseCN · 2003-10-26 04:33 · Score: 2, Funny

Instead of calling it OPENfiler though they are going to call it DEfiler.

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1. Re:I hear MS is making a system like this. by baywulf · 2003-10-26 05:09 · Score: 1
  
  Then the KDE project will make a clone of this called KDEfiler.
IN NAZI GERMANY by Anonymous Coward · 2003-10-26 04:33 · Score: 0

You get SHOT for modding 'overlords' posts as funny.
Canadians! by Zach+Garner · 2003-10-26 04:48 · Score: 0, Offtopic

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Sooooo... by divide+overflow · 2003-10-26 05:17 · Score: 1

I looked at the site, the screen shots, etc., and I'm not convinced that Openfiler does anything special yet. Maybe later, but right now it doesn't seem worth my time.
1. Re:Sooooo... by HiThere · 2003-10-26 07:36 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  It's not all that special. There are commercial products that do the same job...as pre-packaged systems, and at a price.
  
  What this does is allow a normal computer (say that old 233 machine you've got) to have a large hard disk put on them, and then act as a Network Attached Storage device. There are already ways of doing this, but they take a lot of ad-hoc twiddling, and they take customization. This is an interface that handles that part. Nothing special, but very nice! SnapServer does this on a larger scale and sells their systems at a hefty mark-up. And it's worth it at the price...if it's what you need.
  
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SnapOS is a FreeBSD by csoto · 2003-10-26 05:18 · Score: 1

Open Source, yes, but not GPL...

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Hybrid SAN/NAS features needed... by supton · 2003-10-26 05:18 · Score: 1

They would really need to sweeten the pot to make this interesting. They need to be able to have a single appliance software stack that is capable of exporting filesystems over the network as well as block devices. If they added something on the SERVER end like HyperSCSI (or iSCSI, but HyperSCSI is faster/free), it would be more interesting, no?
1. Re:Hybrid SAN/NAS features needed... by Miniluv · 2003-10-26 11:06 · Score: 1
  
  iSCSI is much more worthwhile since it has broad commercial support. MS, Sun, NetApp, EMC, HP, Cisco, Procom and more all have production quality iSCSI implementations, several of which are free for download/activation. While I can't find anything specific in a few minutes of searching, as far as I know iSCSI is an open standard, that at worst you just have to buy a copy of the IETF spec for.
  Overall though, you're right. This OpenFiler is full of hype and lacking features. They claim to support more protocols than anyone else, which is a gigantic lie. They don't even remotely approach NetApp or Procom, or really even WinSAK based filers.
2. Re:Hybrid SAN/NAS features needed... by cschuett · 2003-10-26 14:20 · Score: 1
  
  Ummm Miniluv, why are you using my domain as your web page in your profile?
3. Re:Hybrid SAN/NAS features needed... by Miniluv · 2003-10-27 02:46 · Score: 1
  
  Because I used to own it and am too lazy to update my profile on Slashdot. Perhaps someday I'll update it.
I HAPPEN TO BE 40, YOU INSENSITIVE CLOD by Anonymous Coward · 2003-10-26 07:25 · Score: 0

gentoo rul3z!
Lots of users? by spectecjr · 2003-10-26 09:26 · Score: 1

I wonder how well a web-based app works when you have 10,000 users who you're editing?

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1. Re:Lots of users? by Anonymous Coward · 2003-10-26 09:35 · Score: 0
  
  Good point. I wonder how one does it currently though. Must be much easier doing it from the command line no?
Re:too bad by Anonymous Coward · 2003-10-26 15:31 · Score: 0

Hey, you have the choice to code on GPL or not, if you don't accept the terms of the GPL don't use it. Like any license.
NIGGERS MUST DIE by Anonymous Coward · 2003-10-26 18:01 · Score: 0

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I don't see the big deal by Anomylous+Howard · 2003-10-27 02:22 · Score: 1

I haven't looked at Webmin in a few years, but this dosen't look like much more than a spcialized / dumbed down Webmin.