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Star Trek Enterprise Tested to Mach 5
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has a page
where they put the Enterprise through the gauntlet in a mach 5 wind tunnel. It did surprisingly well."
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...can be found here.
Fair warning - the linked-to page contains an applet, so be prepared for the usual "computer freezes for 10 seconds" effect if you're running Windows.
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If they have that much time on their hands, I have some important stuff they can work on... sheeesh
Like measuring how aerodynamic your self righteous ego is? Flame aside, researchers deserve a bit of fun too. Random thoughts and experiments often bring new insights.
Now the NCC-1701D whoulc have been the one to test, after all, we know it actually made planetfall.
Did they use containment forcefields in the test?
How did the plasma conduits hold up to the stress?
(Questions Geeks REALLY want to know!)
Well, if you read the article, they do point out that they are using the shockwaves resulting from mach speeds in air as a speculative analogy to the shockwaves resulting from warp speeds in space.
Now obviously Einstein showed everyone that that kind of analogy is not likely to be worth a bowl of warm spit, even after you get past the impossible part, but this sort of thing is still way unnecessarily cool, and precisely the sort of ilk I think we geeks should be encouraging.
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Yes, there is no atmosphere in space. But people, stop being nerdy. They were not testing the enteprise for space deployment.
Can't people separate science from fiction?
Is it hard to assume that it was just an aerodynamics test, and the object under test happened to be the enterprise just because it had a pretty, aerodynamic shape? If they test the aerodynamics of a carrot, are people going to whine about the different viscosity of common garden soil?
This was NOT a deep space test!
Everyone bitching about what a waste of time this is, but really, does it look like they spent alot of time on this? It looks like something they threw together in a few minutes, most likely while working on another project in the wind tunnel. People need to lighten up.
> I'll believe its real space the moment I see someone drifting backwards.
This was touched upon in the second movie, where Spock commented on Khan's two-dimensional thinking in the cat-and-mouse hunt in that gas cloud, and the battle was won by piloting the Enterprise downward (relative to its orientation) and then back up behind the Reliant. Still, it's fairly easy to explain banking in spacecraft using relative inertia. When a spacecraft turns, the body of its pilot tries to continue in a straight line. Banking the craft causes the pilot to feel the change in direction as being pressed downward into the seat, which is both familiar and less likely to cause a g-force related blackout. On larger ships, it could be seen the same way, allowing the inertial dampers to work less to keep the crew vertical while the ship turns, and there were a number of occasions where large craft turned by spinning on center, as one would expect from spacecraft. Think of the opening credits on later versions of the above-mentioned DS9, where the Defiant backs off from the docking port and spins around its center to get to its exit heading, while drifting directly away from the station.
There are lots of failings in Star Trek, but they do make at least some effort, and one must remember that it's a TV show/movie, so entertainment value sometimes trumps reality (like when one hears the explosions ripping apart yet another version of the Enterprise, or when a shock wave moving faster than warp 3 strikes a ship and swats it along instead of pulverizing it or crushing it like a soda can). Play along.
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On the other hand, this has interesting implications for the physics of star trek weapons technology. No phasers at warp drive, and firing, never mind aiming, photon torpedoes could be a royal pain.
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I agree with parent. Note also that this project may serve as very cost-effective advertising for this lab. I wouldn't consider this money wasted, by money very well spent (given that they have the lab & the expertise, the marginal cost of the exercise was probably pretty low).
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Interstellar vacuum holds about 1 atom of hydrogen per cubic centimeter.
According to the Star Trek encyclopedia, a ship's speed = (warp factor)^3 x c.
So, warp 10 is 1000c.
This translates to 3x10^11 meters per second or 3 x 10 ^13 cm/s
This means, each second, 3x10^13 atoms of hydrogen are impacting each square centimeter of the ship.
This gives us a total kinetic energy of 22.95 kJ/s for each square meter of the ship.
Let's see what that would do to Ten forward's windows, which are made from Transparent Aluminum:
Let's assume the windows are ten centimeters thick. A one meter square slab would then have the following properties:
Mass: 270 Kg
Specific Heat: 243 kJ/K
Melting point: 933.52 K
Heat of Fusion: 1.08E+05 kJ
If you run the numbers you'll find that, at warp 10, the windows of Ten Forward will rise from a space normal temperature of 4K to the melting point of 933.52 K in 2.73 hours.
Assuming the soft metal didn't blow out at this point, the windows would gradually melt away over the next 1.31 days.
Mind you, this is in the deepest interstellar space where hydrogen molecules are at their thinnest.
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Darmok - that episode choked me up ... honest.
But I'm confused a bit by the universal translator part of your comment. It would seem that these things were implanted (at least later on). Remember the DS9 episode when Quark gets a new ship, but it's defective, they go back in time, and crash land at Area 51? Their translators are knocked out till Quark gets a bobby pin from the human woman and fixes things up. To that point, the humans spoke gibberish when shot from the Ferengi's perspective, and the Ferengis spoke gibberish when shot from the Hu-mon's perspective.
It seemed like a good plot device to make it clear that "people" use implants to understand one another, at least by DS9's time.
For shock value though, the maggot from farscape that John eats for the translater microbes makes a better scene.
Footnote: I know this whole universal translator chip thing still doesn't explain why Darmok used English words - unless they had enough of the base language to convert to English with meaningless syntax.
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