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Terahertz Scanners See Inside Sealed Packages

opticsorg writes "Japanese scientists have demonstrated a system that detects the presence of illicit drugs that are concealed within an envelope. Tests to date have shown that the imaging system can successfully detect and identify a range of substances including ecstasy (MDMA) and methamphetamine. The researchers are now working with companies to develop a mail screening system that could suit use in post offices and airports."

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  1. All I have to say... by toupsie · · Score: 5, Funny

    Bad scientist, bad, bad scientist! Go cure cancer or something useful!

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    1. Re:All I have to say... by Eskarel · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Well this might be viable except that all that "cheaper" is money going to someone, usually someone in government.

      The way I see it is we're going to get decriminalization which is worse because the only way to get it will still be through the criminal scum bags which currently sell it(rather than the corporate scum bags who could sell it if it were legal). Because of this, drugs will continue to fund crime and do all of the horrible things they do now, except that all of the people who are currently massively anti-drugs(read the people making money off the war on drugs) will be able to say, look, we tried it your way and it didn't work", then we'll be back to the same old garbage.

  2. Stupidity or Insanity? by corebreech · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As stupid as the war on drugs is, attempting to gain the upper hand through technology is even stupider.

    For instance, thanks to the innumerable advances in creating genetically-engineered plants, we will soon see the day where the characteristics of interest in plants such as cannabis, coca, psilocybin, and opium are capable of being integrated within such ordinary plants as grass, seaweed, ferns, etc. So even if we are able to use technology to prevent drugs from coming into this country from the outside, the obvious solution for organized crime will be to make it so that the drugs can be more easily manufactured from within.

    We've already seen this with methamphetimines. By working to reduce the supply and thereby increase the cost of the more traditional drugs, the market responds with a drug like meth, that is easy and cheap to produce domestically. Look at the consequences of the meth epidemic in America. It's a total disaster.

    Changing the technology isn't the answer. Changing the policy is. Legalize drugs now.

    Who would you rather see selling drugs? Law-abiding citizens in a legalized environment who won't sell to kids? Or criminals in a black-market environment who will?

    That's the question nobody on the prohibition side seems to be able to answer. They admit that they will never be able to rid the world of illegal drugs, yet cannot come to grips with this simple question. If our drug policy is based on what is best for the children, then why haven't we legalized already? Why not start letting communities actually control these controlled substances for a change? When do we learn the lesson of alcohol prohibition? When do we recognize that there is no constitutional basis for the continuation of this goddamn policy?

    1. Re:Stupidity or Insanity? by KUHurdler · · Score: 4, Insightful

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      yes... because we all know that no one underage ever gets cigarettes or alcohol. That method works like a charm.

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    2. Re:Stupidity or Insanity? by cwernli · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If our drug policy is based on what is best for the children

      Unfortunately this is not the case, and never has been. Moreover, it doesn't apply to drug policy alone, but about to every policy there is out there.

      Policies are usually made for the benefit of issuer.

      Now before you flame me: yes, I am referring to our regular democracy here. Democracy though is neither perfect, nor for that matter just or nice. It simply gives people choices. (You don't like that policy ? Vote for someone else next time, and see if you like their policy!).

      Democracy is not a state, it's a process. Same thing for all of democracy's output.

    3. Re:Stupidity or Insanity? by Evil+Adrian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is true.

      However, there are no gangs of people smuggling alcohol and cigarettes around the country and killing people, at least to my knowledge.

      Less murder is always nice.

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    4. Re:Stupidity or Insanity? by shawn(at)fsu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just because it was tested to look for drugs doesn't make it a stupid venture, the end of the article mentions how a second team used the same technology to look for bacterial spores. This technology has almost limitless possibilities other than detecting drugs.

      And for your point about selling to kids which is way off topic to this post

      Who would you rather see selling drugs? Law-abiding citizens in a legalized environment who won't sell to kids? Or criminals in a black-market environment who will?

      First off legalizing drugs wont make it so kids don't get drugs, look at alcohol.

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    5. Re:Stupidity or Insanity? by smcavoy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What communities are "Drug free" (other than those that are completly cut off from the outside world)?

      Several decades? People having been doing drugs for a shit load longer than decades... try 100s if not 1000s of years!

      I don't see how idiotic drug policy is inseprable from race... please enlighten us-

    6. Re:Stupidity or Insanity? by Elvisisdead · · Score: 4, Interesting

      One of the best responses ever to this topic was penned by Senator Jim Inhoffe (R - OK). A constituent sent him a post card with no name, but a return address on it that said, "Legalize drugs." He had a staffer go down to the Senate gift shop and buy a postcard. He simply wrote "No." on it, signed it, and had it sent to the return address.

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    7. Re:Stupidity or Insanity? by corebreech · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Are you serious? Are you actually going to use cigarettes as an example?

      The most deadly and addictive recreational drug there is, and we only just stopped selling the stuff through vending machines!

      Says a lot about our commitment to keeping the truly dangerous drugs away from kids, doesn't it?

      The same applies for alcohol. We don't really enforce these laws. Compare the sentence an adult gets for selling weed to a kid with the slap-on-the-wrist a clerk at the 7-11 gets for failing to ID for an alcohol purchase, despite the enormous disparity in harm between these substances.

      If you're really serious about preventing underage drug use--including the deadliest and most addictive recreational drugs, alcohol and tobacco--you'll legalize the rest of the drugs, put them all on the same shelf, and make the penalties for procuring any of these drugs for the underage very severe.

      Or, you can continue pretending that what we're doing now is working.

    8. Re:Stupidity or Insanity? by KDan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Try since before we even started thinking. We've been eating random stuff that fell into our hands since we had hands, I would imagine. As soon as the brain was developped enough to be able to remember that eating X makes you feel like Y, where Y was some pleasurable state, we started "doing drugs".

      And how do you define drugs anyway! As the dude himself put it:

      "If you're against biochemical assistance where do you draw the line? Nicotine? Alcohol? Penicillin? Vitamins? Conventional sacremental substance?" - Timothy Leary (The Politics of Ecstacy)

      Daniel

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    9. Re:Stupidity or Insanity? by Evil+Adrian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Tell that to the highway patrolmen that get to inform the families of drunk-driving victims. Not everyone will consume these newly-legal drugs at home (and stay there). They aren't worried about the safety of the people that are already using them.

      Why would the drug-driving victim rate suddenly increase if drugs were legalized? People do (and always will) drive under the influence of drugs and alcohol, drug legalization isn't going to significantly impact that number one way or the other.

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    10. Re:Stupidity or Insanity? by pmz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      attempting to gain the upper hand through technology is even stupider.

      Especially if they can't scan every letter. The trivial work around is to mail letters with no return address from a random postal dropbox knowing that only some fraction of them will be intercepted. Given the price markup for illegal drugs, the losses are probably tolerable. Legalizing drugs would collapse the high mark-up, making both the scanning system and the way around it moot.

    11. Re:Stupidity or Insanity? by corebreech · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sorry, tobacco is more addictive than heroin, at least according to the National Institute of Drug Abuse.

      Here, see for yourself.

      And as for deadly, heroin doesn't even come close to tobacco.

      In fact, most of the time when heroin kills, it isn't really the heroin itself, but the fact that it is illegal. This happens because the drug is adulterated, or because the correct dosage is unknown. Or because of the use of some other drug--usually alcohol--at the same time, an event that could be prevented under legalization through labelling.

      BTW, this is why alcohol killed during prohibition.

    12. Re:Stupidity or Insanity? by KUHurdler · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > Well, obviously we don't have any statistics to back up that statement yet, Do we? But I would assume that rate would greatly increase if drugs were cheaper and more easily accessible.

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    13. Re:Stupidity or Insanity? by pmz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Says a lot about our commitment to keeping the truly dangerous drugs away from kids, doesn't it?

      The government doesn't care about children, it cares about power. The only reason tobbacco, alchohol, coffee, and chocolate aren't controlled substances and illegal is that they were already too large in the economy and backed by people big enough to push the government around.

      One huge positive aspect of legalization is equitable treatment. Right now, the legislation is extremely bigoted in favor of one group of people and totally against another group for only political reasons. In the USA, this should have people up in arms.

    14. Re:Stupidity or Insanity? by (trb001) · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While I don't pretend to speak for the parent, let me attempt this one...

      It's not so much that drugs have a direct connection with race, more like a roundabout one. Drugs, violence and crime rates are all much higher in the economically poor sections of this country. Because the poor are typically minorities (black, hispanic and immigrants in general), drugs and race are commonly linked together. I don't believe there's been enough data on white/asian poor to show whether or not it's a race issue (I'm sure someone will post a link to some site saying it isn't).

      Anyways, the "not being able to talk about it" comment I'm assuming is a reference to the fact that whenever people in power start talking about racial issues, other than how good a race is doing, they get flamed unless they happen to be that race. Since there aren't a lot of minority representatives in the legislature, it's a difficult topic to approach.

      --trb

    15. Re:Stupidity or Insanity? by isa-kuruption · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Drug policy is not based solely on what's best for the kids, but what's best for the community. BTW, it's the job of the government to protect the people, and one way they do this is through making drugs illegal.

      Like a previous poster said, alcohol and cigarettes are a perfect example of legalized drugs. And as you replied, it's not a complete comparison because of the penalties enforced.

      From the civil rights aspect, sure, let people get all the drugs they want... it's their choice, it's their life.. right? Well, what happens when they overdose? Leave them in the streets because they dont have health insurance? Or do we hospitalize them... give them medicine... rehab them... ??? With who's money.. this would costs tens of thousands of dollars per person every time they're found in the street? With my money? I think not! Because of society's general ideal of helping those in need, we will never let some drug overdose "victim" (or, no longer a victim, actually, so we'll say subject) lay in the street dying. This is where the problem is. You would not be able to successfully tax illicit drug sales in order to defray the cost of hospital care, and even if you could, you'd be selling it for more than it could be bought on the streets.

      The second issue is the known crime caused by drug addicts. Because of the addiciton caused by stuff like heroin, addicts will do anything they can to obtain the drug. This includes theft, prostitution, or in the worst cases assault and murder for hire. In fact, a murder can occur simply because someone was attempted to get $20 for his next high. This is a public safety issue in general.

      The third issue is the quality of the work force. Legalizing drugs which impair judgement would eventually mean companies could not screen individuals (although, at first drug screening would hold up, it wouldnt be long before the ACLU challenged the privacy legality of the tests). The cause would be an ineffective work force, forcing companies to go out of business. This could also cause hostilities in a work place.

      The fourth point, is that sentences for selling to minors would be just as lax as they are now with alcohol and cigarettes. Society's view would be one of "well he's just acting more drown up" because drug usage would be considered an "adult act".

      The fifth and final point, do we want more corporations like "big tobacco" running our lives? Would they be required to state the inevitable side effects of the usage of their product? Would they be responsible for crimes being commited by those addicted to their drug? Would they be civilly sued for not disclosing that their drug was harmful? (etc etc, you get my point). What we will have is another company "attacking our children" as some liberals would say, and therefore they must be stopped.

    16. Re:Stupidity or Insanity? by windows · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The difference is that alcohol consumed in moderation isn't really permanently harmful. The effects are temporary, and once the alcohol is out of your body, things are okay. Alcohol is not the same as the illegal drugs we're talking about here. If alcohol is used responsibly, meaning you don't drink and drive, don't drink too much at one time, and you consume it in enough moderation to not become an alcoholic, it's not harmful. And the vast majority of people, I'd bet, consume alcohol responsibly.

      When we come to illegal drugs, they are generally more addictive and have greater effects. For example, look at ecstasy. There's countless tales of someone trying it once and then dying from it. Methamphetamine is extremely dangerous, and so is the method of producing it. These are the kinds of drugs that you don't want legalized. And then you have stuff like herion and cocaine, too.

      Do you really want this kind of stuff legalized so that anyone in the general public can get it? There are good reasons why these substances are either illegal or tightly controlled by the FDA. And it just isn't hallucinogenic drugs that are controlled substances. The FDA tightly regulates quite a long list of substances that extend far beyond the common illegal drugs.

      I know, there's also the people who just want marijuana legalized and say that it's not harmful. While most teens don't actually use marijuana, I'd bet it's still the most common drug used among them. I can say I know quite a few who do smoke it quite often. It's addictive, just like any other drug. It causes a short buzz, but doesn't last that long, so many teens say it's harmless. The fact is, though, that using marijuana often can cause serious problems. One of these is depression. I wonder if the use of marijuana among teens is a factor in the relatively high suicide rate among teens. I don't know of any studies to say this, but it's plausible. Oh, and THC, the "active ingredient" in marijuana stays in the body for several days, and for heavy users, several weeks. It doesn't exit nearly as quickly as alcohol does.

      Even marijuana is dangerous enough that it should be regulated.

      If we legalize drugs, kids will find ways to get them, just like they can easily get cigarettes and alcohol.

      Cigarettes, however, might be even more insidious than alcohol. They don't have the hallucinogenic effect, but nicotine is an addictive drug. They are quite dangerous and the serious health problems associated with smoking are proven and well documented. And yet, I bet most Slashdotters would defend their legality for one reason or another.

      The point is that it's not clear cut what drugs should be banned and what shouldn't be. All of them, including alcohol and tobacco. are harmful. But we have to draw the line somewhere. Obviously people will complain about where the line is drawn, and it's somewhat arbitrary, but would things be better if we drew that line somewhere else and legalized worse drugs? Would it be better if we didn't draw the line at all and legalized even the worst of drugs?

    17. Re:Stupidity or Insanity? by pmz · · Score: 2, Insightful


      That's because legalization brings everything out into the open for people to deal with it without having to hide in dark alleys. It encourages honesty and realistic thinking regarding these substances. It is the right solution, but so many people are too crippled by fear and bigotry to really do anything about it.

    18. Re:Stupidity or Insanity? by GSloop · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In other news...

      Senator Jim Inhoffe issued a press release today.

      Why should we legalize drugs when we can *kill* more than a quarter of a million citicizens every year with good old tobacco. We don't need to stinkin' drugs.

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      How many folks do you know that smoke some weed and beat the girlfriend/wife?

      How many folks die from lung cancer from smoking weed?
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      Drugs are legalised. We've just picked a couple of the worst drugs imaginable to legalize. Tobacco and Alcohol are bad drugs. Frankly, I think pot and cocaine are bad too. But to have the jekyl and hyde approach of Tobacco and Alcohol are good, but these others are devil spawn is simply crazy.

      Senator Jim Inhoffe ought to have his head checked if he actually believes in this dichotomy.

      Cheers,
      Greg

    19. Re:Stupidity or Insanity? by Kombat · · Score: 2, Insightful
      For example, look at ecstasy. There's countless tales of someone trying it once and then dying from it.

      WRONG. Sorry to yell, but this is a frustratingly persistent myth.

      Ecstasy, or MDMA (methylenedioxymethamphetamine), is an SSRI, like Prozac. An antidepressant. Where Prozac raises your mood by blocking your brain from re-absorbing the seratonin that's already in your system (and thus making your cheerful), Ecstasy takes it a step further and triggers your brain to flush its entire seratonin stores into your system, making you feel even better. The downside to this is that studies have suggested this can have a negative effect on your long-term memory.

      Ecstasy is an extremely benign drug. A fatal dose is roughly 20 times the normal dose. You would have to take an immense amount of Ecstasy to suffer a lethal overdose. So what's with all the stories that claim "Ecstasy kills another raver?"

      These ill-informed claims can be blamed on two things:

      1. Ecstasy's chief side-effect is hyperthermia, or elevated body temperature. When you're on Ecstasy, it is crucial to keep yourself well-hydrated. That's why many ravers are often seen with water bottles. (Frightening side-story: I've heard of people organizing raves at which the water to the washroom faucets is cut off, and the bar sells bottled water. This is extremely dangerous! This is just asking for trouble!) This is one reason why you occassionally hear about a death attributed to Ecstasy - the person didn't hydrate adequately.
      2. Ecstasy is a synthetic, not an organic, drug. That means it has to be produced in a lab. Which is difficult, expensive, and risky. Since it is illegal, producing Ecstasy "properly" like this is very hard. Most people who wish to sell Ecstasy, when faced with this reality, will instead sell some other mix of organic drugs that are much easier to obtain, and market the pills as "Ecstasy." These are often heroin, laced with horse tranquilizers or rat poison. The unsuspecting buyer takes the pills, which he/she thinks are Ecstasy, then dies due to a poor mix of the adultered substitutes. They thought they'd taken E, their friends thought the victim had taken E, they tell the police he took E, the papers chalk up another death to E. In most of the cases in which a death is attributed to Ecstasy, the victim hadn't taken Ecstasy at all, but rather, some other hybrid drug which the seller just told them was E.


      The solution to both these problems is: LEGALIZE IT! If it were legal, it could be producted in a controlled environment, with QA ensuring that the resulting product contained the proper mix of chemicals. They could be sold in stores, in packages like cigarettes, containing warning labels advising the user to take plenty of fluids.
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    20. Re:Stupidity or Insanity? by I8TheWorm · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't know where you live, but here in the Houston area the police are way understaffed, and thanks to a non-fiscally minded mayor, they're cutting staff.

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    21. Re:Stupidity or Insanity? by laertes · · Score: 2, Informative
      You're being a little misleading. You seem to be claiming that the NIDA thinks that heroin is less addictive that tobacco. You link to a page on drugwarfacts.org that paraphrases a quote by a doctor who works for NIDA; the quote being from the New York Times. Here's their reference:
      Source: Jack E. Henningfield, PhD for NIDA, Reported by Philip J. Hilts, New York Times, Aug. 2, 1994 "Is Nicotine Addictive? It Depends on Whose Criteria You Use."

      While I'll admit that the chart and graph on the page seem to support your claim, drugwarfacts.org doesn't offer any source for the data in the chart (and graph). Especially considering the title of the (nine year old) NYT article, I'll have to remain doubtful of your claim that tobacco is more addictive than heroin, but I would love to see the data from NIDA that backs up your claim.

      Your next claim--that heroin is less deadly than tobacco--is even worse. The link you provided lists the total number of deaths per year for heroin and tobacco. Fair enough, since they report 430,700 tobacco deaths and 16,926 deaths due to all licit and illicit drugs. But your claim is on the danger to an individual. Here's a quote from NIDA:

      Heroin abuse is associated with serious health conditions, including fatal overdose, spontaneous abortion, collapsed veins, and infectious diseases, including HIV/AIDS and hepatitis.
      This was copied from NIDA's page on Heroin. Please note that the page I linked to is on NIDA's website. See for yourself.

      I can't remember the last time I heard of anyone dying from a fatal overdose of nicotine--and I've known a number of chain-smokers. I think the low number of deaths due to illicit drug use means our policies work.

      Your final claim concerns additives to heroin: the health concerns NIDA is referring to here are for the heroin itself--the NIDA website lists the dangers posed by the additives, and they are serious. However, the fact that the additives are dangerous does not change the fact that the heroin is dangerous, too.

      I'm not against the legalization of some drugs which are currently illegal, but I am against distorting the truth. Oh yeah, and my .sig is from "The Kids in the Hall;" it doesn't mean I'm a junky.

      <mumbles>I don't know why I bother, some people just cannot have their minds changed.

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    22. Re:Stupidity or Insanity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Here are some counter points and/or further thoughts.

      BTW, it's the job of the government to protect the people

      Actually it is the goverments job to protect the rights of the people, not the people them selves. This is very easy to confuse so allow me to expound. It is the goverments job to keep me from being physically assaulted, why? becuase it is my right to be able to live and pursue happiness. It is not the goverments job to protect me from myself, although they try. That is why things like maschism are legal.

      From the civil rights aspect, sure, let people get all the drugs they want... it's their choice, it's their life.. right?

      Yes

      Or do we hospitalize them... give them medicine... rehab them... ??? With who's money.. this would costs tens of thousands of dollars per person every time they're found in the street? With my money?

      Indeed we should not pay for people to go into rehab, that is not the government's job. I would be willing to pay to get thier comotose bodies out of the alleys though. Keep in mind this is just a sober up period. Alcohalics hget thier stomachs pumped all the time. It would just take a day or 2 in the hospital then they could be released. Maybe they will OD agian, maybe not. [maybe some kind of limit could be put in place?] But in any case a couple days in the hospital for a few irresponsable people would be far cheaper and less dangerous than continuing the drug war.

      The second issue is the known crime caused by drug addicts.

      Crime would drop with legalized drugs. Drugs would be much cheaper. There are instances of people holding up gas stations for a 6-pack or a cartoon of cigarettes, but not many. What now is very expensive would become a commodity.

      The third issue is the quality of the work force.

      I, for one, am not allowed to drink at work. If I came into work drunk I would probally lose my job. I think that that applies to most people. Recreational weekend use would not affect perfomance durning the week.

      The fourth point, is that sentences for selling to minors would be just as lax as they are now with alcohol and cigarettes.

      So? who cares? Probaly the kids parents, ie it is not your problem. Also punishment has little to do with availablity. For many years my friends favored reefer over beer becuase it was easier to get.

      The fifth and final point, do we want more corporations like "big tobacco" running our lives?

      Big tobacco runs your life? That sucks man. But seriously companies should not be held responsible unless they lie to thier costumers, like big tobacco did. Notice that when some people tried to sue gun companies for wrongful death, that they did not win, gun companies have always been clear about their products.

    23. Re:Stupidity or Insanity? by joggle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have the very distinct impression that you are trolling based on your first sentence, "The government doesn't care about children, it (only) cares about power." PLEASE! Do you know any people in the federal or state government? The great majority of them are very lethargic and only care about the benefits they are and will continue receiving. A very few people at the top care about power, which is why they are there (just like any corporation or other large group of individuals). There are thousands of people in the various parts of the government focused solely on the wellfare of children, many of which honestly feel that the best way to keep children off of drugs is to keep it out of their hands through prohibition. Many have doubts about the efficacy of the current solution, but can't bring themselves to believe that there is a better solution. Rather than writing them off as a group of power-hungry, callous people, perhaps you should switch gears and actually try to convince them!

    24. Re:Stupidity or Insanity? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You left out that it is carefully managed by the US Government in order to make it last forever, so that we can keep putting people in prison, employing people by the thousands; law enforcement, corrections... And let's not forget all the people we employ when we build those prisons - and all the money we can skim off the project to buy new houses and recreational vehicles for our nation's political figures. Ah yes, the American dream, I can smell it now.

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    25. Re:Stupidity or Insanity? by Angst+Badger · · Score: 3, Interesting

      yes... because we all know that no one underage ever gets cigarettes or alcohol. That method works like a charm.

      Your cyncism -- or perhaps naivete -- is amazing.

      This isn't a good comparison for the simple reason that no one is really trying to prevent kids from getting access to tobacco and alcohol, and the penalties for doing so are very, very light. If the laws regarding sale of tobacco and alcohol to minors were enforced with anything like the vigor applied to less dangerous illegal drugs, I am confident that the trade would drop off very sharply. If the average apathetic convenience store clerk or unscrupulous convenience store owner knew that one violation would lead to total forfeiture of all personal assets and 30 years to life -- as it can with possession of marijuana with intent to sell in some jurisdictions -- then you could bet your bottom dollar those clerks would check every ID and not sell a pack of cigarettes with a wink and a nod.

      Frankly, I think it's worth doing and worth far more emphasis than minor problems like illegal drug abuse, which kill fewer people in a century than legal alcohol and tobacco kill in a month.

      Of course, that would only make sense if the government and the conservative anti-drug factions were really interested in public health and not using their phony drug war (like their phony terrorism war) to expand the role of state terror in minimizing dissent and maximizing profit.

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    26. Re:Stupidity or Insanity? by hackstraw · · Score: 2, Informative

      From the civil rights aspect, sure, let people get all the drugs they want... it's their choice, it's their life.. right? Well, what happens when they overdose? Leave them in the streets because they dont have health insurance? Or do we hospitalize them... give them medicine... rehab them... ??? With who's money.. this would costs tens of thousands of dollars per person every time they're found in the street? With my money? I think not!

      This is ludicrous. How will the legality of the drug change the answer to "What happens when they overdose?"? The same thing that would happen now when drugs are illegal, the same thing that happens to alcohol addicts now.

      Also, you have been brainwashed into thinking that people that do drugs besides alcohol and tobacco are all addicts that don't have insurance, live on welfare, etc. I have a white collar job, I have health insurance, retirement fund, college educated and I smoked marijuana last night.

      You would not be able to successfully tax illicit drug sales in order to defray the cost of hospital care, and even if you could, you'd be selling it for more than it could be bought on the streets.

      You do realize that the DEA's budget is about the same as NASA's right? It costs you and me already between $20 to $50k a year per innmate to keep non violent drug offender. Wow, imagine if they, were, like, working instead of sitting in jail.

      The second issue is the known crime caused by drug addicts. Because of the addiciton caused by stuff like heroin, addicts will do anything they can to obtain the drug. This includes theft, prostitution, or in the worst cases assault and murder for hire. In fact, a murder can occur simply because someone was attempted to get $20 for his next high. This is a public safety issue in general.

      1st, drug addicts will exist wether or not drugs are legal. Addiction does not "cause" theft. I havn't heard of people prostituting themselves for a cigarette or a beer (although I'm sure it has happened, but you get my point). Also, most drug crime is directly related to the fact that the drug is illegal.

      The third issue is the quality of the work force. Legalizing drugs which impair judgement would eventually mean companies could not screen individuals (although, at first drug screening would hold up, it wouldnt be long before the ACLU challenged the privacy legality of the tests). The cause would be an ineffective work force, forcing companies to go out of business. This could also cause hostilities in a work place.

      Brainwashed again. I made it to work this morning. Doing alcohol on the job is prohibited by my employer and is subject to dismissal. Alcohol is legal, impairs judgement, but its legality based on the quality of the workforce is not questioned. Some companies even have parties where alcohol is served.

      Drug testing is an invasion of privacy right up there with looking into one's medical records. If I were tested positive because of antibodies caused by legal drugs prescribed by a doctor for a medical condition, I would have to "prove" my innocence to a prospective employer or whatever. Thats not right.

      The fourth point, is that sentences for selling to minors would be just as lax as they are now with alcohol and cigarettes. Society's view would be one of "well he's just acting more grown up" because drug usage would be considered an "adult act".

      I cannot explain nor justify the sentences for specific "crimes". That is what started this discussion in the 1st place.

      The fifth and final point, do we want more corporations like "big tobacco" running our lives? Would they be required to state the inevitable side effects of the usage of their product? Would they be responsible for crimes being commited by those addicted to their drug? Would they be civilly sued for not disclosing that their drug was harmful? (etc etc, you get my point). What we will have is another company "attacking our children" as some li

    27. Re:Stupidity or Insanity? by corebreech · · Score: 2, Informative

      While I'll admit that the chart and graph on the page seem to support your claim, drugwarfacts.org doesn't offer any source for the data in the chart (and graph). Especially considering the title of the (nine year old) NYT article, I'll have to remain doubtful of your claim that tobacco is more addictive than heroin, but I would love to see the data from NIDA that backs up your claim.

      A quick Google search reveals any number of links to the full-text of the article. Here's just one.

      Heroin abuse is associated with serious health conditions, including fatal overdose, spontaneous abortion, collapsed veins, and infectious diseases, including HIV/AIDS and hepatitis.

      As a previous poster has observed, prohibition contributes to--if not outright causes--each of these consequences.

      I can't remember the last time I heard of anyone dying from a fatal overdose of nicotine--and I've known a number of chain-smokers.

      What does it matter how the substance kills? That said, there is emerging evidence that exposure to tobacco smoke can induce cardiac arrest, simply by being exposed. In effect, the victims overdose. ...the health concerns NIDA is referring to here are for the heroin itself

      This is not true.

      However, the fact that the additives are dangerous does not change the fact that the heroin is dangerous, too.

      The emerging consensus is that heroin causes no ongoing toxicity to the body, even through long-term use. Heroin may only be dangerous because we've worked so hard to make it that way.

      I'm not against the legalization of some drugs which are currently illegal, but I am against distorting the truth.

      As am I, which is why I take such great exception to your post.

    28. Re:Stupidity or Insanity? by Strange+Ranger · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Wrong. Many studies have shown that school aged kids have a much easier time procuring illegal substances than they do alcohol and tobacco.
      Interviewer: What are the most popular drugs in your school?
      -Student: Pot, Heroin, and Ecstasy I guess.
      Interviewer: What about alcohol and cigarettes?
      -Student: Oh those are around but not nearly as popular. It's just so hard to get beer that most kids don't bother. Mostly they just sneak liquor from their parents liquor cabinets, but really you can't throw much of a party that way. Why risk it with alcohol when you know the pot dealer won't card you?
      So you see, regulating a legal industry is more effective than policing an illegal one. It's been shown time and time again.

      Anecdotal case-in-point: How many schools do you hear about with "drug problems" or "drug epidemics" (answer = many), how about "alcohol problems" or "underage drinking epidemics" (answer = almost none until you include college).
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    29. Re:Stupidity or Insanity? by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And while we are on the subject of police states (should have included this in the prior post... the preview button is your friend), how about the fact that government says "We can take you at 18 to fight our wars", but "You aren't old enough to drink until 21". Is that anyone elses pet peeve?

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    30. Re:Stupidity or Insanity? by WNight · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's my point. But it's also the reason we need truth instead of drug propoganda. If the government thinks kids can get pot they'll tell them that pot kills. They'll also tell them that mixing alcohol and sleeping pills kills, as does drinking cough syrup and mixing alcohol and ibuprofen. Which of these is deadly (or causes organ failure), which is a cheap buzz, and which is a cheap buzz that can cause lasting brain damage?

      Instead we need to tell kids that while for various reasons we don't recommend pot (lack of motivation, obesity, etc) it won't kill you and if fact feels quite nice, so we hope that they'll make safe choices and if they do use it, limit their intake, etc, etc.

      Then we put big bold letters of a box of ibuprofen that taking it with alcohol could kill you (or merely make you end up on dialysis for life), people will respect it.

    31. Re:Stupidity or Insanity? by urmensch · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The thought they put into that letter was... I want to express my anti-war on drugs opinion, but I don't want to paint a target on my forehead!

      I think it was very well thought out.

  3. Privacy by YanceyAI · · Score: 2
    The ability to check the contents of a suspect envelope without violating the correspondence rights has been long sought after...Since ink is generally transparent to terahertz waves the privacy of the correspondence is not violated while the identification of concealed drugs is possible.

    Well, what about undergarments and a host of other things I could imagine me not wanting government employees to be peeping at?

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    1. Re:Privacy by GSloop · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think the concern is this...

      Once you have the ability to determine what the contents are, what's to stop some zelous person from expanding the "hit" list to include whatever moral crucade that person is on now?

      We'll only use this xray vision to look through your house to see if you're growing pot. We wouldn't use it to view your private behavior and use the things we found out to blackmail you.

      Evidence gathered on you doesn't have to appear in court to get you jailed/imprisoned.

      I can gather loose ends about you through illegal searches/surveillance and find the right string to pull. Then I "loose" the initial "illegal" evidence gathered through non-legal means, and pull the right strings the first time but via legal means this time. You'll never know (and never prove) we went on our initial fishing expidition illegally, just that we had this uncanny instinct to know EXACTLY where to probe.

      Bang - you're in trouble.

      The greater point here, is the more perview of your personal life you give the gvmt, the more they have the opportunity to use it to scrutinize your life and oppress you when it's convienient. No one is completely law abiding - even if you try.

      Cheers,
      Greg

  4. Makes sense ... by obsidianpreacher · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... because you know that every drug dealer makes his/her shipments for $0.37 through the United States Postal Service, saving thousands and thousands of dollars a year on trunk repair and gasoline charges ...

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  5. Not long until by Polly_was_a_cracker · · Score: 4, Funny

    Someone figures out how to reflect these waves to give off false or misleading information... And since the intent seems to be to keep peoples rights intact, you cant just open the package. This will only last as a viable anti drug solution until three MIT stoners get bored.

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  6. Ahh so we start with drugs first. by dharma21 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I love it when they develop new technologies and say that this will be for used drug enforcement first. That makes everyone feel safe. No one likes drugs. But don't you wonder what other spectrum signatures they already have researched? Is it safe on humans? What did you have for lunch this morning?

  7. And... by MImeKillEr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    what about people with prescriptions such as Ritalin or Adderol?

    These are essentially medical meth. Does everyone expect patients to carry their prescriptions (or their prescription bottles) with them at all times? No one I know with ADHD carries their full script bottles - just a couple of pills in a case.

    1. Picture yourself having ADHD, a script for Ritalin, a couple of pills in a pillcase in your luggage.

    2.Picture yourself being pulled from the plane by the Feds for having prescription drugs.

    3. ??

    4. Profit.

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  8. What about biological powders? by forii · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder how this system would work on detecting a complex biological powder, such as Anthrax spores.

    1. Re:What about biological powders? by shawn(at)fsu · · Score: 2, Informative

      They say that a second team detcted mold spores last year at the end of the article. so I gues they are on the right track

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  9. But what about... by GillBates0 · · Score: 2, Funny
    The OPO is made from a nonlinear crystal (MgO:LiNbO3) that is pumped by a Q-switched Nd:YAG laser.

    ...the effects of the Q-switched Nd: YAG laser on ultrascopic beta-molecular SCOTRON orbitals? Have they thought about that?

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  10. Someone messed up... by Undaar · · Score: 2, Funny

    "At the heart of the Japanese system is a compact and tunable optical parametric oscillator (OPO) that emits terahertz waves. The OPO is made from a nonlinear crystal (MgO:LiNbO3) that is pumped by a Q-switched Nd:YAG laser. It emits terahertz radiation that is tunable between 1 and 2.5 THz.

    Terahertz waves of several different frequencies are scanned over the envelope and the transmitted radiation is picked up by a pyroelectric bolometer and analyzed by a computer."


    Someone seems to have messed up and posted a garbled version of the page. Can someone please post the English version?

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  11. Horray... by Loki_1929 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    More of my tax dollars spent on projects designed to help my government go on 'fishing expiditions' to see whether or not I need to be jailed. I truly don't understand why the youth of this nation is so untrusting of government. After all, the true purpose of all governments is to vet society for undesirables, yes?

    We already put more people in jail than any other country on Earth, proportionately; this apparently isn't enough for some people. When your government starts hunting for reasons to jail you, you know it's gone too far. I once read a very interesting thought on why something like this is done. The author expressed the idea that since governments cannot control totally law-abiding persons (as in moral laws), it must create enough sufficiently complex laws such that no person can possibly go through life without breaking one.

    Ask a lawyer how many laws they've broken by lunchtime, if they wanted to get really technical, and I think you'll find the results extremely interesting.

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    1. Re:Horray... by mcSey921 · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not just proportionately that the USA has the highest number of incarcerations. In absolute terms we simply have more people in jail than any other country. Almost 2,000,000 people are locked in US jails. China with somewhere between 4 to 6 times the US's population has about 1.5 million people incarcerated.

      source:
      http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/y/world.ht m

  12. Good by Spoing · · Score: 2, Insightful
    While the libertarian side of me would like to leave it up to individuals to make their own decisions on drugs, the impact isn't limited to the individuals who use the drugs and market influences aren't correcting the problems. Drug abuse -- and yes I am focusing on abuse -- leads to a whole host of social and mental health problems.

    (Besides: sober or intoxicated, heavy drug users are seldom fun to be around. They're @ssholes or buddy-buddy scheming @ssholes.)

    While marijuana is a fairly mild drug and it may be OK to legalize it. That said, just because one drug might be a candidate for legalization does not mean that all are. There are some nasty ones out there and a scanning device that can find them is something I very much welcome.

    Who knows; maybe if the supply dries up (ha!), people will vote for drug reform and allow a moderate response instead of the current all-or-nothing one?

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    1. Re:Good by CausticWindow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      just because one drug might be a candidate for legalization does not mean that all are

      Actually, it's the other way around. Just because a few drugs are potentially harmful to society, why ban hundreds of totally unrelated substances?

      Most people think "illicit drugs are bad", when in fact "illicit drugs" is just a list undemocraticly compiled by the govnerment from seemingly random rules.

      Here are some "drugs" that you may or may not have heard about; psilocybine, dmt, ibogaine, mescaline, salvinorin, muscimol. Can you explain to me why these drugs should be illegal? Do you think the government can explain this?

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  13. Re:Great invention... by glesga_kiss · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I'm against all illegal drugs.

    Moron. The illegality of most drugs is based on the three R's: (example given is for pot)

    • Religion

      There is no mention of pot in bible, while alcohol (the only legal intoxicating drug) is almost worshipped itself
    • Racism

      "There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana usage. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others." - Harry Anslinger, 1937 testimony to Congress in support of the Marijuana Tax Act.
    • Revenue

      The main forces behind pots demonification were owners of timber stocks. Hemp (once one of the US's main cash crops) can produce paper far more efficiently than wood, at the loss to the lumber industries. They funded the misinformation films such as "Reefer Madness" as well as applied political lobbying. *

    * it's nice to know (kind-of) that the current government corruption isn't exactly a recent development

    The banning of almost all of them are linked to these. The social/psychological/physical impact is not relevant. Most illegal drugs commonly in use are less harmful than the pollution you breathe in during a stroll down an average city street.

    And, why exactly are you against them? Did the alcohol-company-funded groups get to you early as a child? Don't take their drugs!! Take ours!!

    Back on topic, this thing is a waste of time, except perhaps in prisons. Drugs do not get distributed through the post. Not do they get around on commercial flights, smuggled in condoms etc. Sure, it happens, but it's tip of the iceberg stuff.

    The trade in illegal drugs is the third largest industry in the world. It is liked to organised crime, national security agencies and lot's of other seedy, underhand groups. Do you have any concept about how many "drugs" are consumed every week in the western world? How do you propose to stop this lucrative trade? Impossible. The law of supply and demand dictates it.

    The only solution is total legalisation of most drugs. (with a few obvious exceptions). That way, you remove control of the trade away from the people who are the most undesirable to be in that postion.

    Not only do you break the link with crime (and the gateway effect), you will also save lifes. I'd estimate that 90% of all drug deaths are directly related to the illegality of the drug, and not the drug itself. By far the biggest killer is heroin. The total lack of quality control means that some batches are many times the strength of others, hence the overdose deaths. The expence and availablity of the drug is also what causes the users to inject that crap into their bodys. If opium was much more available, most people would just smoke it instead of injecting. The same is true for MDMA (ecstacy), The vast majority of deaths are down to misinformation (overheating/dehyration) or the fact that the pill wasn't even ecstacy! The only "evidence" that Ecstacy causes any long term damage was recently thrown out when independant researches found out that it wasn't even ecstacy in the original study!

    The drug stuff is a load of lies, like most things that people get told by those in power these days. One other poster suggested that the scientists behind that should try to cure cancer instead. However, the flaw behind that is that there is no money to be made.

  14. Re:Clarification by corebreech · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, of course, I should have made that clearer.

    Alcohol is the only drug you can be addicted to that can kill you when you try to quit.

    More people die from alcohol overdose than do from any other recreational drug, even though alcohol manufacturing is legal and regulated and thus produced without adulteration.

    Alcohol is more intoxicating than heroin, cocaine or marijuana, and hence, causes more death indirectly through accidents and violence.

    And then of course there are the long-term health consequences, which kill more people than any other drug out there save tobacco.

  15. Marijuana Does Not Cause Reckless Driving by bleaked · · Score: 5, Informative

    Marijuana Does Not Cause Reckless Driving
    Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 08:04:40 -0700
    Subject: Marijuana Does Not Cause Reckless Driving
    Pubdate: Fri, 26 Sep 2003
    Source: DrugSense Weekly
    Section: Feature Article
    Website: http://www.drugsense.org/current.htm
    Author: Mitch Earleywine, Ph.D.
    Note: Mitch Earleywine, Ph.D., is an associate professor of psychology at the University of Southern California and author of "Understanding Marijuana" (Oxford University Press, 2002).

    MARIJUANA DOES NOT CAUSE RECKLESS DRIVING

    The White House Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) and certain Wisconsin legislators have launched a new crusade against "drugged driving," with a heavy emphasis on marijuana. This crusade is largely based on scientific misinformation, and it could lead to the enactment of bad laws.

    ONDCP has several slick television commercials on the subject. One shows dramatic auto accidents and two crash test dummies passing a joint while a serious voice says, "In a recent study, one in three reckless drivers tested positive for marijuana." Note the careful phrasing. The idea is to make viewers think that marijuana caused the reckless driving, without really saying that it did.

    Why would ONDCP be so coy? The answer lies in the actual data regarding marijuana's effects on driving,

    I study the effects of drugs and teach classes in the science of illicit substances, so I know this field. The plain fact is that marijuana does not cause reckless driving. Large studies of accidents show that drivers who test positive for marijuana (and ONLY marijuana -- i.e., people who haven't also been drinking or taking other intoxicating drugs) cause fewer crashes than people who haven't had any drugs at all.

    That's right, people "high" on marijuana cause fewer crashes than those who are completely sober. The findings seemed impossible to explain. It was a puzzle that made no sense.

    A bright and talented researcher in the Netherlands named Robbe recently solved that puzzle. He got experienced marijuana users stoned and had them drive around the streets of Holland. But these guys were no dummies. They drove slower, increased the distance between their cars and the cars in front of them, and never tried to pass other cars. Folks who smoked a placebo (a non-intoxicating substance made to look and smell like marijuana) drove as they usually did. Alcohol, alone or in combination with marijuana, wrecked driving completely.

    Robbe's results helped explain the accident studies. People who used marijuana and only marijuana were compensating for the drug's effects by driving more carefully. Nobody should drive high, but we can all take a lesson from these people who did: slow down, leave space between your car and the next, and don't try to pass. Unlike alcohol, which makes people behave recklessly, marijuana users tend to be aware that they are impaired and compensate with some success.

    But what about the ONDCP's claim that one in three reckless drivers tested positive for marijuana?

    It's not quite a lie, but it's deliberately misleading. The Drug Czar's no dummy. He wants to scare people, and he knows the complete facts won't do it. Instead he throws out scary but incomplete and misleading statistics - -- and hopes people won't question them. Yes, one in three reckless drivers tested positive for marijuana in a urine screen, but we don't know how many of them had alcohol, antihistamines, cocaine, or any number of other drugs in their systems.

    Legislators need to ask for the complete facts behind the scare stories before they start passing new laws based on misinformation.

    There are cheaper, easier ways to get impaired drivers off the road. Roadside sobriety tests are reliable, inexpensive, and valid indicators of impaired driving. Law-enforcement officers can learn to administer these tests quickly and easily. Unlike expensive blood tests, which can only identify a few drugs, roadside sobriety tests can detect any kind of drug im

    1. Re:Marijuana Does Not Cause Reckless Driving by Tackhead · · Score: 2, Funny
      > Then you shouldn't drive while high.
      >
      > Just like you shouldn't drink while drunk.

      Proofreading while drunk is also not recommended.

  16. It IS being developed to diagnose cancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Teraview, a UK spinoff of Toshiba, is developing terahertz imaging technology to diagnose cancer, among other medical applications.

  17. Drugs are bad, MmmmKay by fordm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    However, drug prohibition is much, much worse. This about this: For what it costs to imprison a single drug offender, we could be paying a teacher to teach 25-30 kids. Builds schools, not jails. Help people with addiction problems. Prison is very expensive and it only goes after the symptoms of the problem. For many people, they think they are protecting their children. Yet, if their child fell from the straight and narrow, would they want them imprisoned and have their lives ruined with a criminal record, or would they want to get them help? Drug prohibition has terrible social costs. Much more so than the dangerous drugs themselves. http://www.teachersagainstprohibition.org/ http://www.leap.cc http://www.perdl.com

    1. Re:Drugs are bad, MmmmKay by fishbowl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "For what it costs to imprison a single drug offender, we could be paying a teacher to teach 25-30 kids. Builds schools, not jails."

      Well, teachers and schoolhouse builders didn't figure out a way to turn the whole dope thing into a big pork barrel for lawmakers, did they? Police and jailhouse builders did. If they're so smart, why the hell don't they find themselves in positions of power? EVER?

      "Yet, if their child fell from the straight and narrow, would they want them imprisoned and have their lives ruined with a criminal record"

      I think you would be shocked at how many people answer "yes" to that question.

      The truth is, drug prohibition enjoys widespread support from the American people, significant voices of opposition notwithstanding. The counterculture folks like to omit that part. You might poll your peer group, and get an overwhelming impression that the "war on drugs" is an unmitigated disaster. Yet, on the whole, "we" tend to regard it as a success.

      I think that trying to fight it is a mistake. A better approach would be to lobby to have Alcohol classified as a Schedule II controlled substance (it has medical uses) and Nicotine classified as Schedule I. It would probably be a lot easier to do that than to legalize marijuana or whatever. That's what it will take to get people to start to understand what a mistake the war on drugs is. Put alcohol on schedule 2, and the backlash against its prohibition will force the whole house of cards down.

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  18. Ooo! mdma AND methamphetamine!? by sbma44 · · Score: 3, Informative
    very impressive, until you consider that the two example substances quoted in the article are nearly identical from a chemical standpoint. MDMA = methylene dioxy methamphetamine. You just add a little methylene branch and stick an oxygen in the carbon ring and you've gone from speed to X.

    If I remember my chem 101 correctly, the reason this tech works is because different types of chemical bonds are susceptible to different frequencies of radiation, depending on their strength, which depends on the type of bond, types of atoms involved and their surrounding atomic environment. You shoot a bunch of wavelengths at a molecule and some will be absorbed, and in varying ratios, producing a relatively unique signature. Congratulations, you've just reinvented spectrography.

    From dyerlabs.com/chemistry:

    Atoms and molecules have only certain distinct (discrete) amounts of energy (energy levels). Relatively small amount of energy are involved in rotation of molecules, and those measurements are done with far infrared and microwave spectrometry. More energy in involved in vibrations between atoms or groups of atoms (infrared). Still more energy is involved in changes of the electronic structure (visible, ultraviolet, X-ray) and nuclear structure (gamma ray).

    Terahertz may be a good candidate from a privacy standpoint, but it's in between the not-so-useful microwave and okay-for-identifying-things infrared. So basically this is just a crippled, privacy-compliant form of IR spectrography, and they've discovered that the amphetamine-based molecules can be identified with it. This doesn't mean that other organics can be properly identified by it.

    Frankly, this seems kind of lame.

  19. Japan and drugs by BillsPetMonkey · · Score: 2, Informative

    I can count the number of Japanese people I know who enjoy the occassional reefer on the fingers of one foot.

    Some Japanese like the music, the clothes, the attitude but they don't do the blunts.

    A few years ago in a place in northern Tokyo (Omiya), a Japanese friend left a bag of white powder - it was actually flour (don't ask) - in a karaoke place with his rucksack by mistake. We paid a left and found 20 riot police waiting for us outside. 4 hours later and a chat with the head honcho and we all had a (rather nervous) joke and went home. Every year there's a westerner visiting from getting stopped and thrown in jail in Japan. The juryless legal system is a weak defence in most cases. Anxious not to be perceived as unjust, the Japanese legal system looks hard at these "drug mule" defence but it rarely washes with the Japanese police.

    It doesn't surprise me that the Japanese developed such a device, although I'm a little surprised they bothered, as drugs is not a *pressing* problem in Japan right now.

    In fact, the War on Drugs is no longer the demonized "war" anymore. The War on Terrorism is it's replacement.

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  20. Re:You're exactly right by mcflaherty · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why isn't marijuana legal? Because the beer companies and drug companies want to keep it that way. Therefore they pad the wallets of Congress. Same with hemp except its the cotton industry which pretty much keeps hemp from being legal.

    I agree with you, but also want to add:
    1. Racism. Marijuana/Opium were the intoxicants of the poorest of the poor in the early 20th century. This included Americans of African, Asian, and Mexican descent. The use of these plants became to be seen as a low class, non WASP activity. As such, it was frowned upon.

    2. Taxation. While it is possible to brew your own supply of ale, and distill your own liqour, its would be difficult for most of us to do this to satisfy all of our needs. And the sale of that product is easily taxable. Yet any drug we can (gosh) grow in our backyard makes it significantly harder to collect on.

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  21. Most deadly and addictive? by blitz487 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It takes 30-50 years for cigarettes to kill you. At a pack a day, that's at least 200,000 cigarettes. If a poison takes 200,000 doses to kill you, it is hardly the 'most deadly'. As for 'most addictive', I think watching someone going through heroin withdrawal would convince one that cigarettes are not anywhere near being 'most addictive'.