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Sun Gets Open Source Into NSW Government

lplatypus writes "ZDNet Australia reports that Sun Microsystems has "has cleared a place for its Java Enterprise System on the NSW government's software shelf, continuing its campaign to weaken Microsoft's monopoly over the desktop." The Age clarifies that Sun's offering includes open source components such as Linux, Gnome, Mozilla and Evolution. Another article is at Australian IT, or see Sun's press release."

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  1. Madhatter for free? by batura · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One of the things I haven't been able to figure out (probably haven't looked hard) is if MadHatter is going to be avaiable for free download. I know Sun is trying to make a little money off of corporations (that 100/year/user thing), but what about the rest of us?

    1. Re:Madhatter for free? by Jahf · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, it won't be, at least for this first release.

      Java Desktop System, aka Mad Hatter, is built on top of SuSE Linux Desktop 1.0. Since SLD is a non-free distribution, Sun hasn't secured the rights to put it up for download.

      Right now JDS is integrated into the basic install process along with the branded SuSE distribution, therefore it is not available as a separate add-on CD like Ximian Desktop 2.

      I'm not saying it never will be able to do something like this, only that this initial release will not. In the future it may be possible download in some form when JDS runs on additional platforms.

      Of course, you can build a nearly functional equivalent using whatever Open Source OS you wanted along with the various desktop softwares. Some (not all) of the things you won't get will be:

      * The Evolution Sun ONE Calendar Server connector

      * The "Blueprint" theme / look / feel

      * Various improvements to each of the software modules (unless you incorporate the Sun patches which have not yet been incorporated into the main project trees ... and yes, Sun does submit back as required)

      * Improved Internationalization / Localization (though this first release will have limited improvements here)

      Also, it's $50/year/user, but to get that pricing you have to have a Java Enterprise System (JES) subscription (which is $100/user/year, making it $150/user/year for JES + JDS).

      There is a separate JDS shrinkwrap pricing model which is $100/system/year ... that's per system, not per user, so it may be more beneficial in some situations and less in other.

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  2. hmm mostly good... but by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hmm... this would seem to be a good thing for Open Source... except, how Open Source is Sun's Java Enterprise System? Admittedly, this is the first I've really looked into it.

    However, the company has to overcome heavy market inertia favouring Microsoft's proprietary server and client software product sets, particularly its ubiquitous office productivity suite Microsoft Office.

    Why does everybody always point the finger at Office? While it's a pain in the foot to deal with those .doc files if you don't use it (converters and built-in support aside), the problem (at least where I work -- would this not hold true in most places?) is that our _vendors_ for our company specific software (in our case, Insurance, but friends of mine who work in the medical or automotive fields would say the same thing) base their solutions around Windows workstations and Windows servers. I can't very well ditch Windows in my Enterprise environment without a comparable solution to do what we need (manage an Independent Insurance Agency) in Linux/Unix/Apple/whatever.

    Does anybody realistically see that changing anytime soon?

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    1. Re:hmm mostly good... but by Shakrai · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Yes, that is a huge stumbling block to implementing anything other then Windows at any given company. Everything has hooks into Word/Excel/Outlook-MAPI/ etc. There's just nothing you can do about it right now. There aren't any comparable apps on the other side of the fence yet. Yet. I, too, hope for change in that area.

      Exactly. If Sun approached us with this solution I would say something like, "It looks real nice. Come back to us when you have convinced our vendors to rewrite their systems around it"

      The really sad thing is that our solution would be much better engineered in Oracle (or even mySQL for peats sake...) as opposed to M$SQL They could even keep the Windows clients if they so desired (though I'd be just as happy to see them gone with the amount of money we pay MS each year).

      I think the eventual way to fix this is to convince the vendors in question to look at other solutions is that they will save themselves (and their clients) money by using Linux/Unix based solutions (and to top it off the products would be more stable and secure) Since everything revolves around the bottom line, I don't see any better way of getting them to change.

      Thoughts?

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  3. Re:last gasp before Solaris dies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    On the contrary, I'm doing computer science in a university in NSW and our main UNIX servers (on SPARCs) run SunOS while some labs triple boot Win2k, Linux and Solaris. Since most of our code are to be compiled and checked on the SunOS servers and we use several Sun tools, there has been some interest by students to acquire Solaris under the free binary program.

    Sun is very much alive in my uni.

  4. No, but you should see most of the improvements by donscarletti · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Madhatter won't be free.

    However Madhatter is largely based on GPLed software. GPL is (despite our BSD loving friends' statements to the contrary) an assurance that pretty much all of Madhatter will be free and "the rest of us" therefore will be able to enjoy any contribution that Sun Makes to Gnome or mozilla.

    And it of course goes without saying that we will be able to enjoy the advancements in java that will occur when Sun integrates it more with the Linux desktop. (including the usage of GTK in java's UI allowing java programs to work better with GTK programs and even slightly better with QT based programs.

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  5. Sun needs more of this... by Qweezle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sun has to get this sort of support, but from larger governments and organizations, if the stock market is to ever look upon Sun's stock(SUNW) as positive and solid ever again. Once upon a time, many may forget, but there was indeed a time when Sun was well over 60 dollars a share, and the stock market was beaming with joy at the little server company that could. Then, the econonomic bubble exploded, (or imploded, you could say), and Sun started to decline in spite of small innovations, their competitors became too heavy. Sun's new offerings, specifically the Java Virtual Desktop System, are very good looking, and I am a Sun investor at 4.07(now at 3.55), and I hope others may buy into Sun's [lucrative] price.

  6. Re:java desktop = potential problem by cduffy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Err, you do realize that the "Java Desktop" is just what Sun is calling their desktop environment (consisting of Gnome, Evolution, and the like) which really has very little to do with Java at all?

  7. two edged sword by penguin7of9 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sun is using open source to fill in big gaps in their software offerings, but what they sell also has a significant proprietary component. In particular, a lot of the Java-related products are proprietary.

    On balance, this is probably still good for open source and open systems. But we have to be wary of Sun: they are not an open source company, and many of their efforts are not in the best interest of the open source community.

  8. Re:Flame bait for sure by Bi()hazard · · Score: 4, Funny

    To sum up: YOUR FULL OF SHIT

    It's 'you're.' That's 'you're.' As in 'you are.' 'You are.' That is, if I wanted to say 'You are a fucking moron,' I might shorten that to: 'You're a fucking moron.' You fucking moron.


    Actually, I believe the esteemed gentleman was using the noun form of the verb "to full," meaning "To make (a garment) full, as by pleating or gathering." Therefore "a full" refers to an attempt to full a garment. Clearly, a full of shit would then be the fulling of a garment using shit; the shit would likely be sewn into the garment between multiple layers of cloth.

    One may wish to consider a synthetic fabric for such work, as natural fibers tend to be too porous for containing shit in polite company. The use of a sewing machine will allow you to form a tighter seal. In addition, drying the shit thoroughly before insertion into the garment is adviseable. The generous application of antibacterial chemicals and preservatives will prevent decomposition of the shit and maintain its consistency-you don't want your dress to start sagging halfway through the party because your shit is rotten.

    In conclusion, the poster who wrote "YOUR FULL OF SHIT" is guilty only of using a sentence fragment and excessive capitalization. Perhaps he is operating under the assumption that fulling a garment with shit is a disgraceful procedure. He might then attempt to insult with the mere implication that an attempt to full with shit happened, just as one might use the sentence fragment "YOUR MOM" as an insult.

    If that is the case, he is clearly behind the times. Natural Organically Enhanced Fabrics are the big thing next season! All the environmentally correct fashion shows currently feature sylish designer Organic Wear such as shit-fulled ball gowns. Remember, ladies, nature knows best-you only need to know how to sew to keep nature from calling at the wrong time!