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Are Review Units Better Than Store Versions?

Anonymous Howard writes "Every now and then you hear about hardware manufacturers optimizing their hardware for certain tests or games to make their hardware look superior. I was surprised to hear of a new controversy brewing over reviewer units sent to hardware reviewers. This article claims that Samsung is sending LCD monitors with a contrast ratio of 700:1 when the consumer version of the same monitor has a contrast ratio of 450:1. Various sites list different specs for the same model, so it's somewhat confusing to know for sure which is correct. I don't doubt this happens, but I'm surprised that it would be this blatant. Has anyone heard of other stories of manufacturers being deceptive so that they could get better reviews?"

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  1. Well by RedWolves2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Review units are free and Store units are...well...not free. That would sway my opinion.

    1. Re:Well by dnoyeb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A review is supposed to be done on a random sample anyway.

      Consumer reports had the right idea, that is why they have been so successful.

    2. Re:Well by Ian+Wolf · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Cost. Most review sites, especially in the PC industry, don't have much cash to purchase the products themselves. Instead they rely on vendors sending their hardware to them for free.

      It definitely isn't an objective model, but one that allows multiple people to review the same product. Ultimately, you have to make two really shaky assumptions in such a model.

      1. The vendor is sending the reviewer a consumer level product (or nearly so).
      2. The reviewer is objective and honest enough to verify the capabilities match that of the consumer available product and disclose where the product came from.

      For the most part the model works. Point 1 is completely out of the consumer's control and cannot even be known to the consumer without point 2. As a result, there is only one thing that consumers can do, and that is learn to spot the honest reviewers from the frauds, fanboys, and sponsored reviewers. For example, Anandtech and Tom's Hardware Guide do a pretty good job. They clearly indicate where the hardware comes from, identify any differences between it and the shipping hardware, and do their homework as best they can to prevent getting duped. Contrast this with many reviewers who seem to be simply paying lip service to the vendors so they can get quoted in an advert and continue to get free hardware to play with. Researching the product also means researching the reviewer if you don't wanna get burned. It's like taking advice from the Gartner Group without seeing who paid for their latest study. :)

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  2. Are Review Units Better Than Store Versions? by Pingular · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, you know how some radeon graphics cards can be 'unlocked' and some can't? I'll give you one guess at which I bet radeon sent to all the reviewers.

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  3. Yeah, in my review version of the Ep IV DVD by Hairy_Potter · · Score: 5, Funny

    Han shoots first. I think it's different in the retail version.

  4. That's why Consumer Reports by eclectro · · Score: 4, Informative


    buy their stuff off the shelf to use in reviews. Otherwise companies will send the cherries to reviewers.

    I worked for a couple of electronic manufacturers that had a standard operating policy to do this very thing.

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    1. Re:That's why Consumer Reports by TimTheFoolMan · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Just because they don't accept advertising, and they buy units off the shelf, doesn't mean the CR review is a de-facto "better review," or is definitely less biased than a trade magazine review. Based on my experience, they represent the worst possible example of "sound bite product reviews," and they rarely give me truly useful data. (For examples, read one of their loudspeaker, audio receiver, or sports car reviews. These are generally valuable only for the pictures.)

      CR tries to distill down all sorts of subtle performance parameters into a box score that ranks easily against competitive products, and in the meantime, miss the value of those parameters. Quite honestly, I'd be surprised if CR could accurately determine if they had a cherry LCD display or not, given the "rounding error" of their review/comparison methodology.

      Tim

  5. Scandalous! by Daniel+Rutter · · Score: 5, Funny
    I am shocked, horrified, and revolted beyond human comprehension.

    But only by the fact that Samsung have never sent me any such thing.

    Dammit, I got into this business for the corruption. But do I get over-spec high-dollar hardware, automobiles or prostitutes? No, I do not. It's a bloody swindle, I tell you.

    Look, Samsung. 20 inch diagonal, 1600 by 1200, 700:1 contrast ratio, 16ms response time. Is that too much to ask?

    Delivery address provided on application. Favourable review guaranteed.

    1. Re:Scandalous! by Wumpus · · Score: 4, Funny

      But do I get over-spec high-dollar hardware, automobiles or prostitutes

      I'd really like to know what's an over-spec prostitute. I think I can figure out what's a high-dollar one.

    2. Re:Scandalous! by Lazlo+Nibble · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'd really like to know what's an over-spec prostitute.

      Well, you know how sometimes you'll get one with a little extra equipment "down there" . . .

  6. Reviewers by pavon · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is a crummy thing for the companies to do but it also makes you wonder about the reliability of reviewing companies. Like how he stated that designtechnica prided itself on reviewing retail products, but then never explained why they were using a review unit, and after noticing the discrepency did a lot of talking but still did not bother to pick up a shelf unit and test it, to see if it was true. Most of the hardware reviewers seem really flakey to me, more fan boys than reliable testing labs.

    Unfair tweeking is part of the reason why Consumer Reports never accepts review units from companies, but rather buys them from retail stores, just like anyone else would. The other reason is that receiving free stuff creates a potential conflict of interest which is why they also do not have any advertizing in their magazine or their website. This means that you won't have reviews out before products are released, and operating this way is more expensive, relying on subscribers to run, but it is worth it. I don't always agree with CR's subjective descriptions of products (cars especially), but the hard numbers they provide are the most usefull I have found, and have saved me plenty of money.

    I really wish that there was some site equally trustworthy in the computing world. For providing informative analysies there are usefull sites (I have always been impressed with anandtech). But for reviewing components, I have yet to find one I trust.

  7. Re:Wait wait... by slamb · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Alright, I understand that this is false advertising, because the reviewed product is different from the actual product, but don't both products accurately describe the contrast? Like...the reviewed products are 700 to 1, and the consumer ones are 450 to 1...but aren't they both labelled as that? I think this would fall into one of those "check before you buy" categories...one of those common sense things maybe. As long as both products clearly indicate what their specs are, there is deception, but no actual lies.

    Bah. They had the same model number on two different models. That's a lie.

    Is the difference between an outright lie and a deception really that important here anyway? They were expected to send the same product real consumers get. They didn't. That's enough to condemn them in my book, whether there's an outright lie there or not.

  8. It gets even worse - Best Buy for Example.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    has the same model number as other retailers, but a lower price. If you look at the Bestbuy HW vs the other retailers, the best Buy HW actually is missing some 'components/functionality'.

    Take a look real hard at that stereo reciever before you buy it....

    1. Re:It gets even worse - Best Buy for Example.... by zerocool^ · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I thought the usual game was for these kinds of retailers to sell model numbers that don't exist anywhere else, but have the same specs as a commonly available one, so that they can "honestly" deny any compettitive pricing claims. ;-)

      Having worked at best buy, in the audio department, I can tell you that this is a fact. We sold products that other people did not sell; in fact, it was fairly rare to find products from well known manufacturers that had the same model number at Circut City and at Best Buy. It was done so that we could a.) say that we had exclusive products, and b.) say that we weren't doing competative pricing, but the much bigger one was 3.) when the models had different features, some people want the one from CC, some want the one from best buy. If they had Identical features, people would just go the place with the lower price, but because one may have an extra S-video input or what-have-you, they're willing to shell out the extra $20 for the extra stuff. The trick is for the corporation to get the model that looks more desireable to consumers.

      But, yeah, the main reason for the similar-but-different model numbers for similar-but-different products is to keep people from being able to compare identical products, and thus, simply wait for the sale. It's perfectly legal, and when you think about it, pretty smart.

      ~Will

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  9. Ethics by Shadow2097 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Why is it that more and more companies believe that turning a profit and being honest are mutually exclusive? Is there some secret, black ritual to remove ethics from the thought process during MBA classes?

    -Shadow

  10. pressure on reviewers by frovingslosh · · Score: 4, Insightful
    What ever happened to the ancient art of bribing the reviewer?

    Like in "here's a free expensive item for review that you get to keep. We'll be watching the review to see if you get anything else to review? Oh, it's still happening, but sending the reviewer a item that isn't the same as the crap they intend to sell you and me is just a little added insurance.

    You can pretty much see this in a lot of reviews that are written too. The only reviews that merit much trust are the independent ones where the reviewer actually went out and got an off-the-shelf item to review; but this is an almost dead pratice. No only does the reviewer not get neat fre stuff then, but his review may be months after the reviews by the company shills come out, and he ends up with the same crap you and I get rather than the free good working versions.

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    1. Re:pressure on reviewers by kfg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My mom is a freelance travel photographer. Nobody "bribes" her, but she sure gets to travel a lot for "free."

      Now what do you suppose happens to her free trips if she publishes unflattering copy about her "hosts?"

      You don't have to be bribed to be beholden.

      She could, of course, simply take her own trips on her own dime. . .if she were independantly wealthy and just playing at it instead of trying to make a living.

      And thus the media is corrupted without any application of coercion at all. No threat to remove advertising or anything. Just a loose understanding by everyone involved as to what's in their own personal interest.

      KFG

      KFG

  11. It cuts both ways by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, companies will send their best stuff to reviewers, but there is a push from the opposite direction: they want reviewers to get their stuff early. In the computer world, this means that reviewers often get essentially prototypes. I've found that "first test" reviews of CPU's get processors that are worse than what the consumer will buy once production ramps up, because by then, many bugs get ironed out. AMD chips overclock much better later into the production process compared to the "for review only" samples. That's just one example.

  12. Car and Driver by batura · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was reading a review of a Subrau WRX on caranddriver.com and it mentioned that their original review unit was able to post a 0-60 time of about 5.4 seconds. The requested another car from Subaru for a "long-term" test drive, which for them is about 60,000 miles over the span of about two years. This long-term car was equipped very similarly to the previous model, yet, it was never able do below a 5.9 0-60 time.

    Now, ever car enthusiast knows that 0-60 times and such the like are subject to various conditions, but that's a pretty large inequity in the difference between the two cars. They said they must have just gotten a lucky hot car, but I believe that perhaps they got a cherry that didn't have to last as long as the car on the long-term test. If they were only going to have the car for a few weeks, then it didn't matter if it was as reliable as a longterm car, so they upped a few things and gave it to them for review. Same thing with the monitors, I guess. Since its just for the flat panel review, they might as well spice it up. These companies base a ton of business on "independent" reviews, so I suppose its worth it to fix the results.

  13. Re:Car reviews by kfg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    No, they do not. Cars that must be stock for racing are stripped down and rebuilt with individual parts off the line that most closely match spec.

    This is far more certain than testing every vehicle to find the "good" ones, which will never, ever, be quite as good as one assembled specifically to be good.

    Even well heeled amatuers with access to a dealer's or distributer's parts bins do this. Hence classes like Star Mazda and Legends where the motor can only be touched by an official builder and has a seal affixed to it to prevent tampering.

    This practice was first started in the 60's by the official Austrian Formula Vee team ( a class where every engine part must be absolutely box stock). Jochen Rindt simply ran away from the international field with a perfectly legal engine whose parts had all been individually cherry picked.

    But the engine was completely stock.

    KFG

  14. In some cases, the opposite is true by The+Llama+King · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I review computer hardware/software for a daily newspaper, and I can tell you that, in many cases, the quality of the hardware I get is less than what you'd see on store shelves. This is because reviewers often get pre-production units, which are essentially lacking some of the bells/whistles and fit/finish of production-line products. Whenever possible, I try to insist on production models, but that's not always possible. It's even tougher for dead-tree magazines, which work on lead times of months, to get full production units.

    That said, there's no way for reviewers to know with pre-production units whether they are getting what will eventually be on the shelf - and it may not be a case of the manufacturer trying to get away with something. A processor in a pre-production unit may be faster, or an LCD screen have a greater contrast ratio, than what ends up at retail, but the reason often is that design changes are made at the last minute related to cost or part availability. In fact, sometimes the product may be less powerful in pre-production than what is finally delivered to buyers. This was particularly true in the days of falling RAM prices - I'd get review PCs with 128 MB of RAM, and when they shipped they'd have 256 MB.

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  15. Re:Ah, the Sad Effect of Technology by lgftsa · · Score: 4, Informative

    You've never bought a digital SLR camera from New York -based website, have you?

    Yes, great price, 15% to 30% below everyone else. Then once you order it, they call and mention that the camera doesn't have a warranty, that's extra. You know, the plastic lens mount is of lesser quality, you'd be much better of with model with the metal mounting ring. Of course the battery charger and battery is not included in that model.

    Whoops, the price is now 25% above everyone else, and you have the standard package that everyone sells. Those other models you've upgraded from don't exist.

    Of course, if you stick to your guns and insist on the advertised price, it's mysteriously never in stock or gets lost in the shipping system.

    BTW, there are 3 or 4 genuine web shops in NY, check DPReview forums, etc to find them.