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Build Your Own Saturn V

Illbay writes "Space.com has a great story about a company in Colorado that has introduced an incredibly detailed scale model of the Saturn V rocket booster that flies a lot like the real thing! Apogee Components has "taken the time to research the actual vehicles and then used that information correctly in creating the kits," with a scientist from the team that designed the Delta 2 rocket on staff. I remember the old Estes model rocket version of the Saturn V back in the 60s, but they were not very detailed and very difficult to get to fly properly. Looks like Apogee might have a winner."

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  1. Scale by momerath2003 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Standing more than 62 inches (1.6 meters) tall and weighing about three pounds (1.4 kilograms) at launch, the most detailed reproduction of a Saturn 5 readily available today is 1/70th the size and 1/2,166,666th the weight of the original.

    "It's just a matter of scale as far as the rockets are concerned. The laws of physics don't change,"


    Try telling that to a 2-atom-wide model rocket.

    The laws of physics are a tad different on the quantum scale. ;-)

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    1. Re:Scale by JabberWokky · · Score: 4, Funny
      You could build a pretty nice planetary model with 2 atoms though. Even with only one in fact.

      No, you can't. I won't Bohr you with the details of why you're wrong (or at least about 50 years out of date).

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      "$30 for the One True Ring. $10 each additional ring!" -- JRR "Bob" Tolkien
    2. Re:Scale by pVoid · · Score: 3, Interesting
      It's just a matter of scale as far as the rockets are concerned. The laws of physics don't change

      The laws might not change, but the constants in the equations do. Specifically, air is much 'more viscous' for a model, after all, if the model is 1/70th the scale, then the atmospehere it's going in should be 1/70th of a bar.

      Also the drag coefficient of everything doesn't scale properly. It's really a question of scalability, and I think the IT crowd of all people should understnad that.

  2. Very interesting by edmz · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I'm not much of a fan of rockets nor space flying history, but this quote from the saturn 5 page got me quite interested:
    The sound waves could easily pulverize a human's skeleton if he was unlucky enough to be within a mile of the launch pad. Even at further distances, the sound waves felt like someone was thumping on your chest with their fists.
    1. Re:Very interesting by EvanED · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yep. As with the Shuttle launches, the noise is actually what makes the safe distance 3 miles, not anything having to do with the rocket exhaust.

    2. Re:Very interesting by mraymer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In fact, according to History Channel's show Modern Marvels, the only man-made sound louder than a Saturn V at liftoff is the detonation an atomic bomb.

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      "To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit." -Stephen Hawking

    3. Re:Very interesting by imsabbel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      200db is a energy density of about 100 MW/m^2.

      This will kill you in a few milliseconds.
      140db->deaf after a hour or so
      160db->deaf at once
      180db->danger of internal injurie, blood vessel ruptures, ect
      200db-> RIP
      This ofcource is only true if this noise level is reached where you are. If the 200db are 1meter below the thrusters, and you are 250m away, you may only get 150or so and still be alive and kicking.

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  3. World's first by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Funny

    Standing more than 62 inches (1.6 meters) tall and weighing about three pounds (1.4 kilograms) at launch, the most detailed reproduction of a Saturn 5 readily available today is 1/70th the size and 1/2,166,666th the weight of the original.

    "It's small step for man, a giant step for Mini Me" -- Dr. Evil

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  4. what a troll by segment · · Score: 3, Funny

    And I was getting all hot under the collar thinking about maybe pulling up in my model Vue tomorrow with 24's spinning, music flaring, DVD's behind the sear in a pimperrific three piece fohsachee suit, and you're talking about a rocket.

    I thought you meant the car damnit

  5. Not for long by igabe · · Score: 5, Informative

    URGENT NEWS ABOUT MODEL ROCKETRY!

    The new Homeland Security Act has many provisions that threaten rocketry in the United States. Both small rockets and high power models are affected. We need your help to make rocketry legal again. Please write your State's Senator now. Click Here for more information.

    If the video on that page becomes slashdotted, go here
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    1. Re:Not for long by pi+eater · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just come practice your hobby in Canada, we'll allow anything! In fact, I think that my neighbour might be the world's newest nuclear power.

      geek gear

    2. Re:Not for long by HillBilly · · Score: 4, Funny

      What are you going to do with a model rocket? Shoot down a model Space Shuttle Columbia?

      Oh I'm going to be modded down for this one :)

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      "Go into the hall of mirrors and have a bloody hard look at yourself" - HG Nelson
  6. Model Rocketry Is In Trouble by MountainLogic · · Score: 4, Informative

    The office of home land paranoia is really doing it's best toshut down this kind of hobby. See here for more details.

  7. Reasons why I'm not impressed: by cmowire · · Score: 3, Interesting

    1) Solid rocket engines. They have made Peroxide+Gasoline rocket engines in small scale. Use one of them. At the very least a pressure fed John Carmack special style engine.
    2) One stage. The Saturn V has 3 stages. This one, and all of the injection-molded toys before it, were only 1 stage. Where's the fun in that?
    3) Injection molding. Where's the work in that?

  8. Build your own Saturn V cheaper! by tsangc · · Score: 4, Funny

    http://shop.lego.com/product.asp?p=7468 :)

  9. Please Help Save Model Rocketry by physicsnerd · · Score: 5, Informative
    For more info on what's going on and how you can help go to:

    http://www.saverocketrynow.org/

  10. Still good in the rerun by poptones · · Score: 3, Interesting
    This is a really old story. I don't recall if I read it here or on ars, but I first read about this thing a really, really long time ago (like maybe July, 2002?)

    Anyway, it's worth the trip to follow the links to the website of the people who make this thing. There are some fantastic MPEG clips of flights of this model that (were, maybe not are) available for download.

    Why is it so cool to watch a model fly? Check it out and see. The thing is so big nad heavy it "lifts off" just like a "real" rocket. None of this 3-2-1 disappear in a puff of smoke. You actually get several frames of liftoff before it really picks up speed... very cool.

  11. Re:Scaling it up?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
    so if we could blow it up,

    Now ain't that an unfortunate choice of words!

  12. booster models by igny · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I would be interested in a working 1:60 (~1/60^3 in weight) model of the most powerful launch vehicle in the world . Imagine:

    Standing ~40 inches (1.0 meters) tall and weighing about 10 kilograms (quite chubby) at launch...

    If the scale doesnt matter in laws of physics one can expect a useful payload to be ~ 100t/60^3 ~ 460grams ~ 1 pound to be launched to low orbits, and about 100 grams to the geostationary orbit, and about 150 grams to be sent on the lunar mission trajectory.
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  13. Re:I NEED one of these by l810c · · Score: 4, Funny
    I remember this one well, even though it's been 30 years. I actually finished it. It took me a couple of weeks.

    We brought it down to the field at the end of the street. When it launched, it quickly shot up to about twelve(yes 12) feet and begun spinning in circles wildly in place at first then right towards us. Just missed my brother as he dove behind the dirt mound that it slammed into and shattered all my hard work.

    Probably my poor construction that caused the misfire. And what a range of emotions in those few quick moments:

    Surprise -> Scared Shitless -> Elation -> Sadness

    Speaking of the Sadness after the crash, I just thought I'd mention this as I just remembered and it made me laugh again. A few years later my brother got into model airplane building. These things were a Ton of work. He brought his plane down to the elementary school as they had a nice wide open space. About 15 seconds into flight it banks left and smashes into a tree completely wasting it. He builds a second plane, back to school, 15 seconds, smashes into side of school.

  14. Re:Good ol' rocket days by xyote · · Score: 3, Funny

    See the movie October Sky? We were shooting steel pipes into the sky in those days (pre Estes). You took a keen interest in where those suckers came down. Mostly suger and salt peter fuel (hint don't cook this up in your kitchen unless you think soot from premature combustion is a nice decorative motif) but we had an Explorer post sponsored by IBM with geek IBM engineers as advisors with unlimited buget. Bad idea. Dialog right out of Real Genius. "Oh, don't breath any of that zinc powder. It's microgranulated and highly toxic". "Yeah, your finger will stick instantly to the strain gauge if you touch that new instant glue Kodak just invented. Let's get the razor blade and unstick your finger." "Aieeee...".

  15. Not really true .... by taniwha · · Score: 3, Insightful
    first of all it's from New Zealand and secondly it's not a rocketpowered device - it's pulse jet powered (ie it's a V1 not a V2).

    Modern hobby rockets (like I and many others fly) do one thing well (and not even that) - they go up. We have wonderfull guidance devices called 'fins' they make things go straight provided they are fast enough and there's still air around - even then you're at the mercy of the wind, the jet stream as you pass thru it (yes we do) etc etc.

    In other words hobby rockets don't have the sort of guidance system you would use when you want to hit a target - if the Congress was actually thinking rather than just reacting "people with rockets must be dangerous and could be terrorists we must do something to show that we are doling something" and they wanted to stop actual attacks on real targets they would: shut down the public GPS, ban RC model planes (or ratehr radio gear) and would never have given those 1000s of stingers to binLaden in the first place.

  16. Rocket Simulation Software is also available by shancock · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've been into model rocketry for about two years now with my 12 year old son. It is great fun for both of us. Like most other hobbies, it can be approached from many levels with equal enjoyment. We got the rocket simulation software (Rock Sim) from Apogee last year. It allows you to build model rockets on the software (3D) (using standard parts from hobby stores) and test their flight and return to earth (just as important in models as in real rockets). You can then save and print out the details. There is a demo available on Apogees' site.

    Our problem has been in finding good places to launch. We get rained out alot from local rocket club launches and its hard to find places to shoot on our own. We sometimes sneak over to nearby schools with their large playgrounds early on Sunday mornings to launch. Risky in post 9/11 USA.

    Going to local rocket club launches is also fun. Not only can you shoot your own rockets off but you can watch the big and experimental rockets launching.

    A good source of beginner rockets and hybrid motors for the big boys is Pratt Hobbies. www.pratthobbies.com.

  17. Re:blueprints are not lost by adeyadey · · Score: 4, Funny

    To quote that article..

    In years past, rumors have abounded that in the 1970s the White House or Congress had the Saturn 5 plans destroyed "to prevent the technology from falling into the wrong hands".

    That seems doubtful -- it would be a formidable terrorist group that decided to build a Saturn 5 to wreak havoc on the world, or build a lunar base..


    There is only one such group. Picture Blofelt sitting in a chair stroking a cat. "Ah, Mr Bond, we've been expecting you.."

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