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China Detains Internet Essayist for Subversion

romcabrera writes: "Reuters reports that 'Chinese authorities have detained a civil servant, whose essays are banned by Beijing on the Internet, on charges of subversion'. According to the article, China has created a special Internet Police Force which 'blocks some foreign sites and shuts down domestic sites posting politically incorrect fare'."

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  1. These guys mean business... by GreyWolf3000 · · Score: 3, Informative
    My father works for British Petrolium and used to work in China. I spent the summers of there for a few years. They block just about any domain that contains any word related to criminal activity. At the time, they blocked sourceforge.net subdomains because a robot found the words "mp3" on several of the hosted project pages.

    They take censorship very seriously over there. Frankly, it would surprise me more if they didn't detain him.

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    1. Re:These guys mean business... by Stargoat · · Score: 5, Informative
      They're upfront about censorship? BS. There are news blackouts on almost everything for the common person. Remember that 600K person march in Hong Kong a few months ago? Average Chinese had no idea it took place. They think their government tells them all the news that's fit to print. They believe the lies about Tibet, the lies about religion, the lies about Taiwan, because no one tells them different.

      As for supression, see how you like when you are up late at night, worry how your family is because you may or may not have been caught bringing a Bible through customs.

      Or maybe that this guy might disappear and his family never know under other circumstances. Or the fact that Chinese detains American citizens of Chinese descent when they go to China after writing such things?

      Then, asses like Hu claim that it is the good for the Democracy in China. When someone claims otherwise, the Chinese either kick them out of China, declare colonial racism, or simple beat the poor bastard up.

      Or the news blackouts over SARS. Arresting doctors who spoke out about it? Let alone the nukes pointed at Taiwan, or the loss of submarines, or coal mining disasters. This attitude is killing people!!!

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    2. Re:These guys mean business... by Stargoat · · Score: 4, Insightful
      You fool. You sorry sorry fool. You have no idea how good you have it.

      Until you've seen the face of a person terrified at the idea of meeting any police, or a person shaking after getting a ticket, or a person afraid to talk to anyone in government, then you should talk.

      We are free. We are very free. You can walk up to the White House and picket it. You can drive your truck with a rifle in the back. You can say what you want on the Internet. You can read the books you want.

      Even if another terrorist attack occurs, do you think they're going to take these liberties away? No. The government won't. In fact, they can't. Because people like myself speak up and let people like you know what is going on. Because people like myself are armed and watching.

      Our founding fathers knew what they were doing a hell of a lot better than you give them credit for.

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  2. Well done China by KDan · · Score: 4, Funny

    Gotta have respect for a country which managed to take the best of both worlds. They got totalitarianism from communism, and greedy corporations from capitalism. w00t! Well done!

    Daniel

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  3. Let's just hope... by Diedrich+Vorberg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... the internet is growing faster than the policeforce. In China or at home...

  4. freenet by capoccia · · Score: 3, Insightful

    this guy should have used freenet.

  5. Another blotch. by hethatishere · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is sad to hear, being someone who has traveled to China several times in the past ten years it has been my experience that China has been very slowly opening up and becoming freer country. This saddens me deeply considering the progress that has been slowly made since Tienanmen Square. The internet still proves to be something that the Government is very sensitive about. Luckily there are many American Corporations who seem more than happy to help continue the cycle of information opression.

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  6. Re:Why is this news? by Trigun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Good effin' luck on that one, too.
    You can't attack them into becoming a democracy.
    You can't sanction them into it.
    You can only start by persuading the younger members of the political party and wait for the old hardliners to die off. Befriend the country, help it grow on the international market, and be very vocal about it treating its people better. Don't go beating your chest over it, because then they'll just shoot a hundred prisoners right in front of your diplomats to prove a point.

  7. President Bush says... by Bakobull · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "We see a China that is stable and prosperous, a nation that respects the peace of its neighbors and works to secure the freedom of its own people. " President Bush Addresses Australian Parliament Oct. 22,2003

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    1. Re:President Bush says... by elefantstn · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's a typo on the georgewbush.com site. Check your original citation (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/10/2 0031022-12.html)

      In the context of the speech, it's pretty clear "seek" is correct. He's talking about his hopes for the future.

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  8. Re:And the Patriot Act is the death of civilizatio by kfg · · Score: 4, Informative

    I just came back from making a deposit in my checking account. This took rather longer than it might have. In front of me in line was a young girl and her mother trying to open a junior passbook account.

    For those that don't know in America we have program to teach school aged children savings, banking and the benfits thereof. (Everyone sing, "Tupence, carfully, prudently. . ")

    These poor people were unable to open said account because the child did not have a driver's license. The Patriot Act imposes certain requirements on the mere opening of an account ( a simple, contractual business transaction involing a matter of cents) even applying to accounts available to only schoolchildren.

    The mother was not allowed to swear for her own child and use her own ID, even though the law makes her the legal custodian of the account.

    In the opinion of the bank's lawyers only a driver's license in out state complies with the Patriot Act's requirements. Specifically even the child's Federally issued Social Security card or Passport did not comply with the Federal ID law for opening any banking account.

    Recently Howard Dean and his closest associates were directed to go stand in a "Free Speech Zone" corral while on their way to a political function, because they were carrying signs that said "I'm For Dean" and this was deemed to be a protest and thus restricted for "security" reasons. The security personel were, of course, were in error, but actually the law allows this sort of behaviour. The fact that security personel can even think that supporters of the leading Democratic Party candidate, and the candidate himself, for President is "protesting" for supporting himself is scary, nevermind issues of the right to assemble and protest.

    Ashcroft is promoting laws that would allow the government to take into custody, without warrant and even without a charge, anyone whom they held to be "under suspicion" and such people could be held indefinately, without representation, indeed without any necessity on the part of the government that they had done so.

    There's a word for such people: Desaparecidos

    Go ahead. Google on it.

    You're right, Ashcroft isn't a Nazi, but that's rather like saying you've just been eaten by a leopard, not a panther.

    Think things can't get worse? This is America, after all. Well, I would argue that protections that this can't happen in America if the very protections that are designed to prevent it from happening are held to be void.

    I would also suggest you Google on leopard+spots+change.

    KFG

  9. Re:At least China is better than America by HardCase · · Score: 5, Insightful

    God Bless America, with the worst crime levels in the first world

    Except for Sweden, New Zealand and Denmark. In fact, the US has about an average per capita crime rate as the rest of the world, according to the UN

    God Bless America, where "democracy" means a rich, white male as President

    Who serves by the will of the population, is limited in the length of term and whose powers are tempered by two other branches of government. A president who transfers power peacefully, something that has been done every four or eight years for over two hundred years. Incidentally, America is a democratic republic. When did China have its last free presidential election?

    God Bless America, the biggest consumer of the world's natural resources

    Actually, the "problem" is a first world issue, not an American issue. Per capita, America is not a leader. Look to Japan.

    God Bless America, so happy to violate international laws

    Riiiiiight. Let's see. America violated international law by...uh...hmmm. By...hmm. Oh, you mean by invading Iraq? The one that appears to be authorized by UN Resolution 1441? Hmmm...

    God Bless America, where "freedom of speech" means race-hate groups like KKK

    Yes, and the ACLU and the Sierra Club and the NAACP and Greenpeace and any other organization that criticizes the government. Freedom of speech is not freedom to act. You clearly do not understand what freedom of speech means. To limit one organization's speech because you do not agree with it is to open the door to limit anyone to make the same claim about any organization. Of course, China doesn't have that problem. When you disallow freedom of speech, you only have to worry about the hate groups that keep quiet.

    God Bless America, and its massive and ever-growing poverty gap

    America's poverty rate in 2000 was the lowest in 26 years. It has only slightly increased, from 8.7% to 9.2%. Recently, NPR reported that instead of people spending vast periods of time in poverty, they tend to move out of poverty in a period of a few years, but others, due to a variety of reasons, move into poverty, again, generally, to move out in a few years. This, of course, is in contrast to China's poverty rate...11.2% in urban areas, darn near 100% in rural areas.

    God Bless America, with barely 300 years of dire history and culture

    The world's oldest, continously functioning representative democracy. America has managed to overcome, in less than 300 years what China, with over a thousand years of history has not.

    God Bless America, all its appalling "sitcoms" with no grasp of irony

    OK, I guess I can accept this as a strike against America...

    God Bless America, with the highest obesity levels in the developed world

    One of the pitfalls of freedom of choice is that one is free to make personal choices that are bad for you.

    God Bless America, because corporations should be allowed to run amok

    Actually, corporations are not allowed to do that. A tiny bit of research will show you that in the end, they do get caught.

    God Bless America, wasting billions to attack foreign countries

    Like Tibet? Like Nepal?

    God Bless America, and thank God I don't have to live there.

    And the final difference between the US and China? In the US, nobody has to live here!

    -h-