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Penn State Students to Get Free Music From Napster

Mr. Show writes "Napster and Penn State have unveiled a deal to give faculty and students free access to music beginning next spring. The deal would give students only limited access to downloads, so presumably most of the free music will come through the streaming service that would otherwise cost a monthly fee. Will this help curb piracy on college campuses?" It might, except for students that don't run Windows.

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  1. There is no free lunch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At least in this case. The students (and taxpayers to a degree) will be paying for it as part of their tuition.

    1. Re:There is no free lunch by Evil+Adrian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, the taxpayers also help pay for Nittany Lions football (which not everyone watches), concerts at the stadium (which not everyone attends), etc. etc.

      Tax money goes to pay for stuff. That's how it works. Not everyone benefits from every single tax expenditure. GET OVER IT.

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    2. Re:There is no free lunch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And, so we should just not pay attention to where our tax money goes? Heck, let's just elect people for life and let them figure out what to do with all of our money. It'll be some sort of communist utopia.

      It's called accountability, and in a democractic republic, we have the right to express our views on how our money is spent.

    3. Re:There is no free lunch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      5000 years would probably over-shoot things a bit. More like ~2500 years ago.

  2. Great, more crap to raise tuition.... by Sikmaz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What about those people who have no interest in downloading music legally or otherwise? Why do they have to have this cost come out of their tuition?

    I say leave it up to each individual student.

  3. What if you don't have a 2K/XP box? by physicsnerd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Umm, let me get this stright. If you're a student at Penn State part of your fees go to pay for this music service. However, to take advantage of this music service you must own a Windows 2K/XP machine. So if you don't have a 2K or XP box you're paying for other people to listen to music? What about all the students who are still running NT/95/98/Me or Mac/Linux/Solaris/ect? While I'd bet a good 80 to 90% are running 2K or XP what is the school doing about the rest? If I was a student at Penn State I'd be asking for a partial refund of my fees. How do you Penn students feel about your fees going to this?

    1. Re:What if you don't have a 2K/XP box? by Evil+Adrian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Some of the students' money goes to paying the salary of a professor that will never teach them, too. Some science students pay lab fees, but might not be taking lab classes that semester.

      Lots of your tuition money goes to pay for lots of things that you never use or that will never benefit you. This is no different, and it's nothing to whine about.

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    2. Re:What if you don't have a 2K/XP box? by Skapare · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The salaries are paid from tuition, state funding, and research grants, not from the extra fees charged for student facilities. And even if you are looking at the money that does go to paying professors as a pool, you get far more out of those few professors you do take classes from than what your percentage of the pool paid them. In the end it works out approximately even; maybe a few cents off here and there. But for a student service specifically designated only for specific set of students, which offers nothing as an alternative for those it does not serve (remember, paying professors does not mean 10% of the students don't get to take classes).

      As for paying lab fees even if you take no lab classes; that might be broken. When I was in school, lab fees applied only when you actually took the lab classes. But I never went to Penn State, so I have no idea how it's done there. Still, if they charge what results in a level fee each semester and you have to take a fixed number of lab classes to meet requirements, it works out in the end, and your costs are flattened out, too. So maybe it's not broken.

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  4. Sounds good, but ... by MacEnvy · · Score: 5, Insightful
    What about the students that DON'T use Windows? Believe me, there are plenty of us. Year after year, decision after decision, school administrations on every level create environments more inhospitable to non-MS users. This may be going too far - by using a service that mandates MS, and a service that EVERY college student is going to want to use - the use of Macs and Linux (there are a few of us using Linux, yes) is discouraged. This is unhealthy for both the integrity of networks and free thought itself.

    Hopefully someone will come up with a multi-platform interface for the new Napster service. If not, you can bet that I'd be knocking on the door of the CTO, demanding matching funds for iTunes!

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    1. Re:Sounds good, but ... by Evil+Adrian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A better question is: Why should Penn State not do something that benefits 95+% of their student body just because they can't offer it to another 5%?

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    2. Re:Sounds good, but ... by GamezCore.com · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Cut the crap, I'm sorry but the problems you face with Linux are unfortunately a CON to using Linux. I've been using Linux since '95, and I (unlike most of the /. crowd) have come to grips with the fact that it is not a viable desktop solution. It has become much better, but it is still such a long way off.

      ...and if you are a Penn State student, as I am, you have access to almost every MS product for... FREE. Last time I checked that's the same price as Linux. I understand those who want to feel like they are "bucking the system" but then you should also come to grips with the consequences of being the downtrodden and opressed minority. Freedom always has a price, you have to be willing to accept that as a Linux user at this point in time. Someday that may change, and I hope it does, but for now people have to simply come to accept this and stop the constant whining.

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  5. In other news ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    ... students at every university in the U.S. have gained free access to as much licensed material as they can cram through their network adapters, via special traits students have called "initiative" and "imagination." Regents and legislators have not approved this system, but it is nearly universal.

  6. I have a problem with the story here by Tim_F · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The poster of the story assumes that a majority of the students at this University run Linux as their desktop operating system. One simply need to look to Slashdot to find out that even among nerds this is not the case. The vast majority of hits that Slashdot gets comes from Microsoft Internet Explorer.

    This is a good deal for the students of this University. They will be able to legally get access to quality music in an open format while probably just paying a minute increase in their tuition. Who wouldn't want to do this.

    Any of the minority of the students that use Linux should just stick to pirating. The RIAA hardly cares enough about their OS fo choice to waste their money going after them.

  7. Use Wine. by DraconPern · · Score: 3, Insightful
    It might, except for students that don't run Windows
    How's that a problem? Just use Wine.
  8. What is College for? by tintruder · · Score: 5, Insightful
    While this is convenient for the students, and certinly contributes to the battle against the extra-legal oppression of RIAA / DMCA etc., I still wonder what is going on at the colleges.

    Perhaps I'd see access to music as a critical component of college attendance if the college attended were Juilliard.

    But in general, public colleges obtain 75%+ of their funding from the taxpayer, not from tuition.

    So I'd like to see the students dedicating as much time, effort and money to LEARNING as they do to downloading music.

    It is simply a matter of priorities, and the priority at college ought to be education.

    And for those who would ridicule the above because you happen to also like music, consider the waste of money because the vast majority of college freshman show up requiring courses so rudimentary they ought to be considered "remedial". Basically, what they spend the first year or two doing, they should have learned in Junior High.

    This lack of focus on EDUCATION, which is really what college is for, costs everybody money whether you are a student or not.

    1. Re:What is College for? by altek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But in general, public colleges obtain 75%+ of their funding from the taxpayer, not from tuition.

      A number I pulled right out of my ass!

      Seriously, how can you just arbitrarily post random statistics without backing it up whatsoever? If you can prove that data, please do, because I have serious doubts that 75% of a university's operating budget comes from joe taxpayer.

      While I do agree with you that a large number of incoming college freshman are not very well prepared, the blame for that lies not with the college, but the high schools, parents, society, whatever you like. But not the college, because they haven't even been there yet.

      Besides, do you want a bunch of burnt out drones coming out of college? College is about education, but it's also about a well-rounded, liberal education. A college campus is supposed to be a hotbed of ideas and innovation. Music promotes creativity, and creativity promotes "good things for you."

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  9. I hate it by headbulb · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The Reason I don't like it, Is The school is paying for it, That means that tuition fee's are really the ones paying for it. (or added in to some other fee Which is what it looks like they did)

    If you are going to do something like this make it a fee not something that is included that I can't opped out of.

    I get distracted easily. I don't want to have to pay for something that is potentialy going to distract me. To those that say Oh but its included. Yes it is But the school has to pay for it somehow. The article stated that it would be paid for with a "$160 information technology fee"

    Now what else does this fee include? That the student would have to have for a class, but lets say the student doesnt wanna use napster. OH well.

    The way I would like to see it setup is for the school to make a deal that would make the music cheaper but without having the school shell out anymore money. (and thus the student) Or for napster to say support a music club on campus. The more music people buy, The more money the music club could use for such things as concerts for any local bands. This would work out for napster and the school. Napster gets not only money for music but they also get publicity and the school gets money too. Both happy.

    Of course there are more details but thats the jist of it.

  10. Re:Content versus key. by BizidyDizidy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Both are information. But I guess only some information is free. What is the point of a key by the way? To lock up content? Doesn't it want to be free? I don't know why you wouldn't tell me then. What's your home address?

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  11. As a Penn State Student by IAmATuringMachine! · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As a Penn State Student and a Mac geek, I did my part to write in complaints to the administration and the school paper about how this isolates people using other platforms. Well, other platform anyway - iTunes is certainly the lesser of the evils - but I fear Linux simply won't be supported by any major online music store [that uses DRM].

    It's funny that just yesterday our paper ran a feature on how much students here like iTunes and then today say "Napster!" Similarly, last week they had a feature on how a lot of the labs are going to Mac OS X.

    Hopefully my writein as a "computer science graduate student" will perk up some ears...

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  12. RIAA Board Member On PSU Board by acaben · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Here's why a useless, crappy, DRM'd version of these songs is being offered to Penn State instead of an AAC and the usage rights that Apple's iTunes offers.

    There's a member of the RIAA's board on Penn State's Board of Trustees.

    That's the reason this is going on. They're charing all kinds of fees to a bunch of students who can't even USE the service on their Macs, and providing shitty DRM'd technology to those who have PCs just so a member of their board can buy another yacht. I think it's rather dispicable.

  13. Free is no longer what I am after by jbs0902 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It might stop some downloaders, but at this point it has become political for me.

    I want to bankrupt the bastards. They had every opportunity to replace their outdated failing business model with a new successful model. Now after 5+ years, Draconian laws, and plenty of lawsuits, life is a bit worse and Apple brought them kicking and screaming into a successful form of on-line business.

    Let them fail.
    Let a more successful business rise in their place.

    It is not called piracy
    It is called capitalism.

  14. There is a transfer of lunches by lpret · · Score: 3, Insightful
    You have no idea about college networks do you? Recent statistics (at the bottom) have shown that nearly 80% of a typical campus network traffic is filesharing. If that can be curbed, then the network will become more stable and be able to handle traffic better. This also means less resources needed which translates directly into money.

    So the money saved by reducing network traffic is probably more than the 130,000 that this deal requires of the school. Furthermore, I'm sure Napster charged them less than that because it opens the door to other schools. So, the school is banking on less money spent on IT, better protection against the RIAA, and gets great publicity as a "technologically advanced" school. It's more like Penn State is saving money by giving it's students a free lunch.

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    1. Re:There is a transfer of lunches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They'll still be downloading stuff. Music is *tiny* compared to the stuff people are after these days. TV shows, movies and games are the things most students are now after, and they're the biggest.

  15. More Information by bamberg29 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I submitted this earlier today, but was rejected. So here's what I had to say. It contains a bit more information.

    After the University of Rochester announced last week in its school newspaper that students there would be offered legal music downloads starting the spring semester, Penn State President Graham B. Spanier announced today that his University has signed an agreement with Napster to launch a program in which Penn State will make Napster's Premium Service available at no cost to its students. This comes from the annual EDUCAUSE meeting of thousands of information technology administrators from universities around the country. Most notably are the panelists who are part of a P2P file sharing disscussion. They include, Cary Sherman of the RIAA, Jack Valenti of the MPAA, the Provost of the University of Rochester, and the President of Penn State. Too bad it's Napster and not iTunes.