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Nokia's N-Gage - Savaged By Online Opinion

Thanks to CNN for their column discussing how the Internet has changed the way 'bad' products are viewed, with reference to Nokia's N-Gage 'mobile game deck'. The columnist argues: "Ten years ago you might have quietly withdrawn [an 'awkward' product] from store shelves", but times have changed: "The Internet provides an instant, widespread referendum on products... And the Net crowd, for obvious reasons, tends to eye high-tech products. But the things that do get interest, usually negative, watch out." He then gives the immensely popular, N-Gage-related Side Talkin' site as an example of this backlash, quoting a Nokia spokesman as saying of the site: "It's better to have some reaction than no reaction at all."

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  1. Imagin by OwlofCreamCheese · · Score: 5, Funny

    Imagin a beowulf cluster of Ngages.... it....would.....suck

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  2. What older gadgets could this have affected? by MBraynard · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Before the net, you got 90%+ of your info about a product from the manufacturer's marketing machine. Now the balance has changed.

    Think back a few decades about some of the crap you may have bought. Then think about - had you been able to read instant online opinion about the gadget - you may not have purchased the product.

    Virtual Boy? NeoGeo? Would VHS have lost to Betamax?

    1. Re:What older gadgets could this have affected? by trouser · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Would VHS have lost to Betamax?

      Would Windows be more popular than Linux?

      Personally I always got most of my information by talking to people who knew more shit than me.

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  3. Turkish kid? by Foggy1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    "In the meantime, corporate chiefs can take heart that the Internet memory is mercifully short. Anyone remember an early Internet celeb called The Turkish Stud? Thought not, but "I Kiss You!!!" anyway." I, err, remember that. And I bet a lot of people here do to. Short memory?

  4. Opinion is just as baseless. by Kris_J · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The N-Gage is just everyone's favourite whipping boy. Most of the people "savaging" it on the web have never even touched one.
    Using the phone makes you look like a dork.
    Well, there you go, the informed masses have spoken. How is the current situtation any better than when public opinion is swayed by a big marketing machine? Now cool 12 year olds can just shit all over anything they can't afford and all their Internet friends will follow. The only difference is that journalists haven't yet developed the skills to separate informated opinion from schoolyard gossip on the Internet.
    1. Re:Opinion is just as baseless. by DarkZero · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The N-Gage is just everyone's favourite whipping boy. Most of the people "savaging" it on the web have never even touched one.

      Do they really need to, though? I mean, it even looks stupid on paper, and just about every gaming magazine that's covered it has passed that on to all of their readers. You don't really need to experience the operation of removing your phone's battery just to switch game cartridges to know that it is a ridiculous process, especially in the public areas where you would use your N-Gage. And do you really need more than two seconds at the Side Talkin' site to realize that Nokia's insulting characterization of the GBA as a kids' toy that will make adults look ridiculous and stupid in public is not only wrong, but actually an accurate description of their own product?

      The N-Gage is making headlines like these because it's so easy to mock it in a way that truly reflects the reality of the product. If you have a problem with gossiping 12 year olds on internet message boards in general, then I suggest you choose a different example.

    2. Re:Opinion is just as baseless. by Babbster · · Score: 2, Interesting
      By that logic, people should have gone for test drives in Corvairs before deciding they were unsafe. Or perhaps I should have played Custer's Revenge before deciding the concept was offensive. I can't believe I didn't go to the theater and spend $9 on Gigli!

      Product reviews exist so that people don't always have to waste time and money on something they find out later is crap. Because of reviews, I didn't have to waste money buying Daikatana when it came out, nor did I run out to buy a Yugo.

      Of course, there's always the possibility that I'll disagree with a review, and if the product getting a bad review still interests me I might find a way to give it a try, or perhaps even defy the reviews and just buy it. If I do like it, that doesn't mean that the reviewer's opinion was "baseless" or that I shouldn't pay any attention to reviews in the future. What it means is that people have differing tastes.

    3. Re:Opinion is just as baseless. by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Informative

      "The N-Gage is just everyone's favourite whipping boy."

      So everybody was just making up the $300 price tag and the need to remove the battery to insert new games?

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  5. The Internet has only changed the time it takes by Trillian_1138 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think the Internet has only changed the time it takes for bad products to be viewed as 'bad.'

    "Back in the day" people might have bought lousy products initially, but after The Word eventually got out, people didn't continue buying them. Staying with the topic of videogames, the Sega Saturn didn't need the Internet to die. Nor did Virtual Boy (dear god, it didn't need help to die...)

    There have been topics in the past about how text messaging and cellphones are killing opening weekends for movies because the 'bad word' gets around faster. It's causing bad movies to be known for their badness earlier but, eventually, people will learn products aren't good.

    Even in the days before the 'net.

    -Trillian

  6. Re:Slightly off topic... by zenintrude · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hot chick? I could have sworn that was the dude from 3rd Rock From the Sun.

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  7. Wow, I was wrong... by WoTG · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Before seeing the pictures of "Side Talking" on one of the sites in the article, I thought the N-gage concept was OK. I didn't realize how stupid the phone portion of the device was! I stand thoroughly corrected... it's hard to describe how shocked I am that a product like that could come to market - someone please tell me there is a standard hands free headset at least!

  8. This is good, is it not? by image · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In fact, we're witnessing a defining moment in history that is indeed changing, and will continue to change, corporate markets forever.

    Never before has this been possible. An individual, at virtually zero cost, can now express their opinion about the acts of a corporation or their products. Prior to the explosion of the internet, the only "people" with a voice loud enough to be heard by the buying public were those that had enough financial backing to fund such a publication. That included a very short list of a) corporations, such as the one that is selling the product in question, and b) large media organizations, which are also corporations. The problem is that "a" is clearly and understandably biased -- as their only responsibility is to profit off of their own product. Unfortunately, so is "b", as the very economic viability of traditional media is co-dependent on the health of a commercial marketplace, and the advertizing dollars that support it, thus implying an inherent and unavoidable conflict of interest. While there remained the possibility that a subscriber-based review publication could remain bias-free, that only acts in the interest of those that are able and willing to pay for the unbiased report -- i.e., a small enough minority that it does not protect the general population.

    But here we have an environment in which a very minimially funded voice (i.e., a private individual) can easily make themselves heard to those who want to listen. Thus the tens of millions of advertising dollars invested by the product manufacturer can be trumped by pennies invested by the masses.

    In the end, what does this mean? It means that the corporation will be forced to adjust to a new market. Period. Sure, there will be court battles regarding free speach vs. trademarks and ip claims, etc., etc. But ultimately, the corporations that adjust fastest, rather than those fighting the customer, will sell more products and thus grow healthier and stronger than those that do not adjust. And those healthier corporations will be marketing products that are driven directly by consumer desires. This is a good thing for the consumer, is it not? Can you think of a counterexample, where the ultimate needs of the masses were better known by the corporation than the masses themselves?

    Note that I am not saying that there are not situations in which small, informed bodies can actually make better decisions for the majority than the majority itself. However, should those decisions not be relegated to a democratically elected body -- i.e., government?

    Of course, the trend of free, instantanious information dissemination across a broad spectrum of the internet tends to democracize corporations over time, thus further blurring the lines between the corporation and the government itself. A parallel, of course, being drawn with the advent of inexpensive publishing via the printing presses that drove the governments themselves toward democracy.

    And, like the risk of the democracy, the needs of the few can be lost in the desires of the many. So as corporations function more like a democratic government in the age of self-publishing, we can learn from the problems inherent in such governance when looking to the future problems we will face with corporations.