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Kasparov Dons 3D Glasses To Fight, Draw X3D Fritz

Shalda writes "CNN is reporting that: "Former world chess champion [Garry] Kasparov, 40, pits his genius against 'X3D Fritz,' a combination of Fritz, the most dominant chess software, with X3D Technologies company software that specializes in virtual reality." Kasparov will be looking at a virtual board through 3D VR glasses in what sounds like one of the lamest chess PR stunts ever." ChessBase has some interesting statistics trying to predict the entire match, plumping for an overall Kasparov win, but Reuters reveals today's opening encounter ended in a draw.

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  1. 3D and Battlechess? by ghideon · · Score: 5, Funny

    If someone could get some 3D VR going with updated graphics for Battlechess, I'd start playing again...

    1. Re:3D and Battlechess? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be so HOT!

    2. Re:3D and Battlechess? by Dasaan · · Score: 1

      Just remember to let the wookie win

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  2. Commentary by Jason_says · · Score: 2

    The ESPN2 commentary was really funny too.

    1. Re:Commentary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was happy to see this broadcasted live, even prempting a bit of programming since the game was looking good. It was funny though, cuz they kept comparing chess to football! lol'

  3. Gheyest idea evar? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to the description of the Kasparov-Fritz3D match, thousands of hours have been spent to create a floating image of a 3D chessboard. Kasparov will wear those cool glasses to see it and use special controls to adjust his view of the board. He will have to voice his moves since he can't physically move the pieces. He has trained many hours to get used to it. Am I the only one that finds this totally ridiculous? I can't think of anything more worthless for chess except possibly playing the match under water or in anti-gravity!! How about this? Have Kasparov wear special glasses with clear lens, darken the room, put a real chessboard down on a table, and use a desklamp to light up the board. With a little effort, Kasparov could imagine that the board is floating and guess what, he can actually move the pieces! No special training needed.

    On a side note, this match will undoubtedly end in a tie. Anytime Kasparov gets a little behind in a game he will ask for a draw and the Fritz staff will be happy to give it to him. There is little chance that Kasparov will be able to get a strong position against the computer except by an opening novelty and with improved opening books of computers, chances of this are slim. Even if GK gets a small advantage he will ask for a draw if time is short or if it requires a long endgame. Expect a lot of draws.

  4. Way to go Fritz by lightspawn · · Score: 2, Funny

    Obviously its strategy is to try giving Kasparov a virtual-boy sized headache and throw off his game.

    1. Re:Way to go Fritz by Pyro226 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Obviously its strategy is to try giving Kasparov a virtual-boy sized headache and throw off his game.

      A watched a little bit of the match on ESPN today, and that is honestly what it looked like. The only actualy reason to do this (that I could see) was that in the past the computer would need a human player to make the moves for it, wasting a few seconds per move, and the games are timed.

      Aside from that it was just a PR stunt. Kasparov did not look like he liked the system, although he probably always looks that way when he's concentrating. I also agree with another comment, the ESPN commentary was very funny. I particularly liked 'Do you think that this VR setup is going to give Garry any trouble?' 'Well it shouldn't, because he's demonstrated on several occasions that he can play the game blindfolded.' If I were in that position, I would not want my imagination to be the only alternative if the glasses did give me a headache.

      Also, I didn't care for the angle at which the game was shown. It was down pretty low on the board, and while I have no idea whether Garry wanted it that way, it would make the game a lot harder for me.

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    2. Re:Way to go Fritz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Kasparov can control the angle of the board with a joystick

  5. Boring! by Descartes · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ok, I know it's not any more exciting but why not pit the best computers against eachother.

    I mean, I'm sure some Chess geeks would love to follow the game of Deep Blue vs. Deep Junior. We should stop ranking chess players in two seperate categories depending on whether they are human or not.

    Let's face it, having a person controlling the board doesn't actually make watching a game of chess any more exciting.

    1. Re:Boring! by Parallex · · Score: 1

      Sure it does... A human can identify with the thought processes of another human. Or at least can think he can. But with a computer it's a completely alien entity - there's no other way around it. Why do you think the average person usually roots for the human player in human vs computer games? (keep in mind : *average* person, not ur average slashdotter :P)

    2. Re:Boring! by Kwil · · Score: 1

      I'd tend to think that you could only get one game out of the same two computers, unless at least one of them had some sort of learning algorithm going on as well.

      Which strikes me as pretty boring.

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    3. Re:Boring! by m0smithslash · · Score: 1
      Except Deep Blue was dismantled after the publicity stunt. Quoth Kasparov in The Wall Street Oppinion Journal
      In 1997, when IBM terminated the Deep Blue project, the computer-chess field was left to talented enthusiasts. In the past 5 1/2 years, new programming techniques have combined with superior chess knowledge to create a quality of machine chess that is far superior to that of Deep Blue. In game five of my match with Deep Junior it played an imaginative sacrifice of the type generally considered impossible for a computer player. It was a landmark moment for computer chess and the science and programmers behind it.

      Unfortunately, because Deep Blue's records were never made public, it is quite useless to discuss the strength of Deep Blue vis-a-vis the strength of Deep Junior. IBM said Deep Blue crushed other programs, but what value are these statements without records?

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  6. Commentators say... by Tom7 · · Score: 1

    You know what's pretty funny? All of the chess commentators are saying that he's putting himself at a disadvantage, or "torturing himself" by doing it with the stupid 3D virtual reality glasses. That's probably not what X3D wanted to hear...

    1. Re:Commentators say... by mausmalone · · Score: 1

      Gary Kasporov was quoted as saying "Holy crap! It's just like I'm sitting at a table playing chess! Oh wait... I am sitting at a table playing chess."

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    2. Re:Commentators say... by cgenman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I doubt anyone knew about X3D goggles before this, and the likelihood of commentators mentioning them in a positive light are extremely slim. They cost 60 bucks online, they're cheap, and they use LCD technology that first saw commercial release on the SEGA Mastersystem in '83, possibly earlier. This is not a form of advanced TFT display device, these are little left-right blinking glasses that also blink your display.

      In that sense, any kind of publicity is good publicity for them. It certainly won't cause anyone to underestimate their product.

  7. They do by eamonman · · Score: 2, Informative

    CSVN tournament

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  8. not to be confused with by drfrog · · Score: 1

    the other x3d

    www.web3d.org

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  9. State of computer goggles by metalhed77 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As a side note to this media stunt. What is the state of wearable computing goggles. Personally, I'm goddamn sick of looking at my CRT but don't want to pay for a 19" LCD. Would buying goggles keep the price down (I figure two tiny LCDs must be cheaper than one big one). Where could I buy such goggles? Google is turning up nothing.

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    1. Re:State of computer goggles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Google is turning up nothing.

      That's because you're misspelling "goggle".

    2. Re:State of computer goggles by Oddly_Drac · · Score: 2, Informative

      Olympus Iglasses are one, but try this site and scroll down to 'Displays (Commercial)'

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  10. Someone had to say it... by QuietYou · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Kasparov: My eyes! The goggles do nothing!
    Fritz: kekeke ^_^

  11. blindfolded grandmasters by Kynde · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Grandmasters like Kasparov are commonly known to be able to not only play blindfolded but play on almost the same level that they play with the board in front of them. For some reason this really applies to only the really great ones, though I must admit that I have knowledge of Kasparov playing blindfolded but many grandmasters before him have played absolutely astonishing games like that.

    I remember a picture of a former russian grandmaster Aljechin sitting on a chair and behind him were some 20 to 30 other top russian players. He played against them simultaneously and without back against them. Can't remember the exact result, but in overall he won by some margin. Just about the most spectacular event in chess history that I can remember, althoug there are many many others.

    So my point being, the vr glasses probably won't do that much good for him and even worse they may disturb his concentration more than they're of use.

    I can wholeheartedly recommed borrowing some chess history books. They're filled with amazing true stories about those goons. One really doesn't have to be all that much into chess to enjoy them. Was it Spasski who was so concentrated on his next game in a tournament that he got mixed with the doors of the cafeteria and somehow wound up back inside. Deep thinking poor chap ate again. Might have not been Spasski, but it was one of the greater ones.

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    1. Re:blindfolded grandmasters by mnemonic_ · · Score: 1

      You fool, of course it was not Spasski.

    2. Re:blindfolded grandmasters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rubbish.

      It can't have been 20-30 of the top Russian players.

      Alekhine *did* play a few blindfold simuls (for instance, in the hospital, while recovering from wounds sustained in WW1). However, he was playing run-of-the-mill amateurs, not top players by any means.

  12. That picture of Miss New York by djdavetrouble · · Score: 1

    Is it just me or does she look like she should be Miss Long Island? The big hair, chubby arms, goofy look on her face, etc.. I don't know how Miss Massapequa ended up being Miss New York...

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    1. Re:That picture of Miss New York by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oof, let's put the 3D shades back on... www.missnycity.org

  13. x3d/x3d Fritz reviews? by TxdoHawk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I found x3dFritz for sale, and now I'm really curious. Has anybody found any reviews/hands on for the technology, or even better, reviews of X3d fritz itself? Google has turned up nothing so far.

  14. Note to marketing: by crapulent · · Score: 1

    Dear X3D advertising department:

    When you use images like this one that make it look like your celebrity is struggling to squeeze out a huge turd, it doesn't make me very interested in your product.

  15. Dump the goggles, get a flat panel by Animats · · Score: 1
    Why, for a media event, are those people using CRTs? Not only are they big and bulky, CRTs shown on TV flicker unless you get everything synched.

    Manipulating chess pieces that way is just silly.

    Who are those X3D guys, anyway? Just to confuse everything, there's an X3D consortium. A few years ago, the angle bracket police decided to convert VRML to XML syntax. Unfortunately, nobody cared about VRML by then.