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Sharp Zaurus SL-C860 Announced For Japan

An anonymous reader writes "LinuxDevices.com reports that Sharp will introduce a new member in its Linux-based Zaurus PDA family in the Japanese market on Nov. 27, 2003. The SL-C860 appears to be a more powerful and feature-rich version of the much-reviewed SL-C750/760. The device boasts a 400MHz Intel PXA255 processor equipped with 128MB of Flash memory (65MB available for user programs) along with 64MB of SDRAM memory, has a 640x480 resolution full-VGA color display, and runs an embedded Linux operating system based on Metrowerks's OpenPDA handheld device software stack."

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  1. Evolution of PDA into MicroPC by zymano · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I like it. I also like the widescreen with Qwerty keyboard. These could take marketshare from the ultrathin pc's . If the price is around 200-300 dollars then I may buy one.

    1. Re:Evolution of PDA into MicroPC by JanneM · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, yes and no. A laptop is too large and unwieldy for some applications; you would not have travel directions and times on a laptop and run around in an airport or trainstation with it in your hands, for instance. Nor would you likely use a laptop in a semicrowded commuter train.

      I am lusting for this thing, not the least due to the included dictionaries. I can't help but wonder, however, if what I would really find useful was a machine with a similar screen and memory size, but simpler software, slower (and thus more energy efficient) processor, and without all that connectivity. It would be useful as a satellite to the laptop which is now my main machine.

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  2. neato Japanese display by kaan · · Score: 4, Funny

    We're still stuck with old school pixels here in the U.S., but according to the article, the Zaurus will have a 640x480 pixil display. Isn't that similar to a pixel, but, like, cooler and stuff?

  3. Nice specs by Lehk228 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I like what i am hearing in terms of hardware (as powerful as my family's old gateway astro and awesome resolution for the display size, but I think the keypad could use some work, the round arrow keys i see as a problem, the first thing i would get with it would be one of those folding or soft rubber keyboards and the second would be a big CF card to boost the storage, 128 is kinda small

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    1. Re:Nice specs by eyeye · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Rather a SD/MMC card to boost storage, then you can leave the CF card slot free for a wireless cf card etc..

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    2. Re:Nice specs by mtnharo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have the older version, the SL-5000D. Great little machine, once you dump the original Sharp supplied rom image anyway. I have both CF and SD cards for it and a wireless card for the CF slot. But unless they are using a top notch chipset for the SD/MMC cards that they can provide a Linux driver for, CF cards will be much faster for IO. Transfering data to CF over network or USB link to my Zaurus has almost no delay, whereas writing to the SD card can't keep up with the transfer speed. Makes putting music on it for plane trips a bit of a pain. The SD card is great for storing programs and personal data on though, since the write speed won't come into play very often, and it alleviates the small built-in RAM size on the 5000D model.

  4. URL by BJH · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's the press release on Sharp Japan's site.

    Main features:
    1) Built-in J-E/E-J translation software
    2) CF and SD memory cards in the Zaurus can be accessed directly from a PC just by linking the PC and Zaurus with a USB cable.
    3) Can use the AirH", FreeD, bitWarp PDA and Yahoo BB wireless services.

  5. Cut the crap by The+Munger · · Score: 3, Funny

    The device boasts a 400MHz Intel PXA255 processor equipped with 128MB of Flash memory (65MB available for user programs) along with 64MB of SDRAM memory, has a 640x480 resolution full-VGA color display

    OK, OK. Just give us the specs we need: What's it like for porn?

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  6. The picture of it. by ForestGrump · · Score: 2, Funny

    I remember back in high school (1998), there was this guy who went around with a little laptop (about the same size as the sharp in the picture is).

    He used it to play starcraft during class.
    Anyway, it didn't fly too well with the teacher. Rumor has it that his father found out and hit him over the head with the laptop- smattering it into bits and thus rendered it useless.

    just a memory triggered by the picture.
    -Grump

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  7. Difference from the 760? by pez · · Score: 5, Informative

    Reading the specs, nothing jumped out at me as being new when you compare it to the excellent C760. Am I missing something?

    Product Specs

    Review #1

    Review #2

    1. Re:Difference from the 760? by tangledweb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It looks like the hardware is exactly the same, although they seem to be showing photos of the small battery (a la SL-C750) but quoting battery life equivalent to the large battery that comes with the SL-C760.

      Feeding the press release to babelfish it looks like they are just pushing new software features. Easier USB connection to a PC, JP->EN->JP transation and some different software included (Eg Mah Jong and a PDF viewer).

      I love my SL-C750 and wish they would start releasing them outside Japan. The release says they will make 20000 per month, so it seems that official international sales are not planned.

    2. Re:Difference from the 760? by pez · · Score: 2, Informative

      It appears indeed that there is *no* hardware change in this model vs. the 760, which begs the question "why the name change"?

      Zaurus Forum thread on the topic

      I'm waiting for the same 7x0 form factor with built-in WiFi and Bluetooth, and perhaps a slighly larger screen. Although the 7x0's 640x480 screen is absolutely stunningly beautiful for a PDA, it could be about an inch wider and still fit in the enclosure.

  8. Obligatory SCO post by Sp4c3+C4d3t · · Score: 4, Funny

    So does SCO get $699 profit from each one sold ;)?

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  9. How long... by clifgriffin · · Score: 2, Funny

    till this thing runs Windows?

    (Laugh, it's a play on "How long before it runs Linux?")

    Blogzine

  10. Getting there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's nice, but it needs to be less than 1cm thick, and needs to cost less than $500. An iBook is $1100, and is about four times the computer. An iBook is obviously much bigger, but there's no way I'd carry around a laptop and a Zaurus, so the Zaurus needs to be able to replace the basic laptop functions, and be much cheaper to be worth buying.

    1. Re:Getting there... by penguin7of9 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why do people keep bringing up iBooks whenever there is any discussion of handhelds? iBooks are bricks by modern laptop standards: nearly five pounds and with a huge footprint. Apple has never produced an ultra-portable laptop.

      Now, the Panasonic Toughbook, Fujitsu Lifebook, and Sony ultraportables are serious competitors for these kinds of handhelds. Some of them are lighter than two pounds, and some of them are actually quite small. Check out dynamism.com for what's available in tiny x86-based laptops. The Sony U101 is pretty close to a PDA, actually.

  11. pixel resolution is killer by lingqi · · Score: 3, Informative

    I was browsing the 760/650 at Tokyo (ha! isn't it great to be in japan?), and you just have to be impressed by the 200pixel-per-inch (i think higher than that, actually) resolution on the screen. It is very difficult (if possible at all) to notice the individual pixels, so the graphics look very sharp (really, no pun).

    Have to see it to be a believer though - but nontheless I am not plucking down 600 dollars on a toy that I know I won't use very much.

    For the same money I can get an FZ-10 (panasonic lumix camera), or even a sanyo SD based video camcorder (about the size of a motorola startac phone folded, 5.6x optical resolution etc) - either of which would get a LOT more use.

    However, a zaurus PDA is definitely on top of the "stuff I will buy if I win the lottery" list.

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    1. Re:pixel resolution is killer by RevAaron · · Score: 2, Informative

      Folks in the US will be able to see a similar screen soon enough- their local BestBuys, OfficeMaxes, etc etcs should start carrying the Toshiba e805 which also has a 640x480 screen. See this thread.

      Depending on how you use it, the Zaurus can be worth the money. As a PDA, the software blows and it's over priced. As a computer, it works pretty good as long as you're willing to spend a lot of time working around Linux annoyances. The C760 (C750's batt life blows too hard) plus a good external keyboard and you can have a workstation-in-a-pocket.

      I've been using one PDA or another for over 2 years as my "primary computer" and don't regret it at all. :)

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  12. I dont see the difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    C760

    CPU: PXA255 400MHz
    FLASH: 128MB, 65MB free
    SDRAM: 64MB
    SD/MMC, CF slot

    C860

    CPU: PXA255 400MHz
    FLASH: 128MB, 65MB free
    SDRAM: 64MB
    SD/MMC, CF slot

    Additionally it looks like power consumption, size, weight - basically everything I looked at is the same. WTF? A new whole new revision for what amounts to software only?

  13. DOS emulator? by CarlDenny · · Score: 4, Funny

    VGA graphics + 64M of disk space. Meeemories.

    I want my old DOS 5.0 machine emulated. 400Mhz ARM procesor should be enough to emulate a 16Mhz 386, although I suspect emulating the memory controller would be trouble. I demand Wing Commander and Windows 3.1 on my PDA. Maybe a bit of Ultima 7.

  14. cacko by mirko · · Score: 3, Informative

    You may also visit cacko's web site to check their dedicated custom Linux distro for Sharp handheld devices.
    screenshot

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  15. No builtin 802.11 or Bluetooth? by pergamon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was really hoping for builtin wireless access like in the SL-6000.

  16. PDAs are dead by Audent · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I mean, let's face it, the cellphone market is killing these devices. I used to dream of the teeny tiny cellphone with a separate but wirelessly connected PDA (bluetooth probably) that would allow me to keep my address book/phone numbers/diary synched in one place but the phone makers aren't making the phones smaller with the same features (and thus good battery life) they're packing them full of stuff I don't want (camera anyone?) AND all the PDA functionality as well. Palm is losing out to HP these days. It's all over red-rover, long since time to sell the stock and move on.
    Am I wrong on this?

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  17. It would seem that Qtopia is becoming the standard by donscarletti · · Score: 3, Interesting
    It would seem that OpenPDA is a Metrowerks derivitive of Qtopia. Every time I see a pda that runs Qtopia I worry about the future of Linux pdas.

    Qtopia is a finely engeneered environment, and I have nothing but praise for what I see in screenshots and technical documents about it. However I see the same problems with Qtopia being accepted as the de-facto standard for linux PDAs and I have with those who would make QT the de-facto standard in desktop linux GUIs.

    Qtopia like its parent QT is written in C++, a farily controversial language amongst linux developers, it also uses Meta Objects which are an even more controversial addition to the language. This threatens to isolate many developers who would not use such a tool because of personal preference, with no fallback into an ISO standard complient c++ environment or a c environment.

    Qtopia is also licenced under the same licence scheme as QT, dual licenced under the GPL and QPL. This sceme allows development of open source applications using the GPL and proprietary applications using the QPL after per-developer fees have been payed. This is however sub-optimal in comparison to a simple LGPL or BSD licences in which similar libarys of this type have been licenced for numerous reasons. First and least importantly it seems silly that to develop a graphical progam under Palm OS is free, yet for a linux PDA (the so called free OS) eqivalent one must pay a licence fee. Secondly, the QPL also misses out on multiple consumer protection clauses regarding binary distributed software noted in the LGPL. Thirdly in order to port the application to another platform, an activity in-keeping with the Free Software spirit, licence fees must be payed even for an open application. I am sure Trolltech would be happy to arrange an exemption for a bona fide OSS project, however this type of special arrangement is not in keeping with the principles of Free Software.

    This post is not intended to insite a flamewar, I have made no value judgments about the actual performance or technical elements of either Qtopia or QT, I havn't commented on the legitimacy of KDE, which I belive is a fine project, probably exceding gnome in power and usability. However I urge people to consider these aspects when they choose which projects to support. Remember, in the future it will be possible to unify the desktop by making QT dependant on GNUStep, GTK+ or whatever comes out in front in a similar way to what Trolltech has done with MacOS and Windows interfaces, but the reverse is impossible due to both licence and structual incompatibilites.

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  18. Some important things missing by ciryon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Where's

    Bluetooth ?
    802.11x ?
    Mac and Linux sync ?

    IrDa, bah...

    Ciryon

  19. you know.. by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I bought the first Zaurus I heard about, the SL-5600 I think.. then I starded hearing about the next and greatest Zaurus yet, so I sold mine in anticipation, knowing that what I had would be near-worthless once this new model came out..
    Since then, I have not once been at a point where I have seen a new Zaurus released Without the next and greatest version already having been announced-
    Way to go, guys. Your marketing is done by idiots. Could you maybe wait a full month between the release of your current product and the announcement of your next version?

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  20. Don't buy ipaqs -- support Linux by jwr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd suggest that people buy the Zaurus handhelds instead of iPaqs if they want to support Linux. I still don't get it why people buy iPaqs and then whine about WindowsCE on it and painfully install OPIE.

    Why not just go with the company that has chosen Linux, support them, make their sales numbers increase? Buy Linux directly!