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Lunar Polar Ice Not Present

pclark999 writes "The New Scientist reports that radar probes of the lunar polar region has disproved earlier theories regarding large sheets of polar ice in craters permanently in the shade. "

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  1. Shoot. by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    That means no brewery on the moon. So much for my dreams of being a drunken astronaut.

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    1. Re:Shoot. by SirLantos · · Score: 5, Funny

      You could always join the Russian space program.

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  2. No polar ice on Earth, either, by Tex+Bravado · · Score: 4, Funny

    before long :-)

  3. An outrage! by DarkHand · · Score: 4, Funny

    This means that my great grand childrens' lunar snow cones bought at LunarDisney(tm) will cost 10 times as much! We shouldn't stand for this highway robbery!

  4. This guy is everywhere! by fitten · · Score: 4, Funny

    Team leader Bruce Campbell

    Did he vanquish the Mooninites, too?

  5. Re:Make up your minds... by jgabby · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Skiing on the moon would be no fun at all....no wind blowing in your face, a very slow speed...perhaps the only enjoyable thing would be ski jumps with REALLY long slopes to build up speed, then jump over a canyon or something.

  6. Well, more accurately by Space+cowboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    it said there was no sheets of ice at the poles. There could still be grains. The previous survey showed a lot of hydrogen up there, and the best guess for how you get lots of hydrogen to stick around is as ice.

    Not sure why you couldn't have methane mind...

    Simon.

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    1. Re:Well, more accurately by vslashg · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not sure why you couldn't have methane mind...

      Because every time you got a good idea, you'd be distracted and say "That smell again! What's that smell?"

  7. Re:Time for plan B by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 5, Informative
    Also Earth is pretty much a sealed ecosystem

    Say WHAT?

    (although we get tonnes of stuff from space every day)...

    Yeah, like, uh, sunlight?

    You know... that bright stuff without which 99.9% of this ecosystem could not exist?

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  8. Not necessarily... by Zocalo · · Score: 5, Informative
    The BBC News site has been carrying a summary of a Nature article on this since yesterday. The telling quote is "The observations, from the Arecibo radio telescope in Puerto Rico, do not rule out ice". The conclusion seems to have been that the ice might still be present, but rather than being thick sheets can only be in small grains or thin sheets. There is also the possiblity of sub-surface ice since the probes can only reach to a depth of several meters into the surface dust.

    Roll on the ESA's Smart 1 probe next year which will hopefully resolve the issue.

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  9. Actually, you are dead wrong. by mindstrm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are areas in the polar region where the bottoms of craters are in eternal shade, and that is precisely what these studies are talking about.

    And when we say "The dark side of the moon".. we are referring to either a Pink Floyd album, or the side of the moon that is currently in darkness.. so the dark side of the moon is indeed always dark.. just like the dark side of the earth.

  10. Re:No such thing as permanent shade by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 5, Informative
    This is a common misunderstanding of the moon. No place on the moon is ever permanently in the shade (excepting something like a cave of course). This comes from the mishandled use of the phrase "dark side of the moon".

    This is a common misunderstanding of what is meant by permanent shading on the moon. Note the phrase "polar ice" is key here.

    In the polar regions, the sun is very low in the sky and there are places in deep craters where the sunlight, at any point in the Lunar day, never reaches.

    It's the same as on the Earth. The bottom of a deep canyon near the south pole would never receive direct sunlight. The sun never moves above a certain altitude in the sky. Heck, the tilt of the Earth's axis give the poles permanent night (well, twilight) for six months. Not sure what the Moon's tilt is offhand, but that's a side issue.

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  11. Well maybe it WAS there... by iworm · · Score: 4, Funny

    Let's get this clear: they used a really really really really powerful radar, and then found that the ice "wasn't there". Uh huh. But now the moon does have strange clouds of water vapour... Whoops.

  12. Hydrogen is more important than water by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Although finding water would be nice, the real issue is finding a long-term source of hydrogen on the moon. The moon offers plenty of long-term sources of oxygen as a byproduct of processing moon rocks. But hydrogen may be scarer, unless there really is a concentration of either water or hydrated rock at the poles. Without hydrogen, life gets much harder. Perhaps the moon really is a harsh mistress.

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  13. Well sweet goddamn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What are you doing here on slashdot? Better get yourself down there and edumicate some so-called scientists. Shit, if they were so daft to overlook this simple "fact", they don't deserve to call themselves scientists.

    1. Re:Well sweet goddamn. by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Insightful
      What are you doing here on slashdot? Better get yourself down there and edumicate some so-called scientists. Shit, if they were so daft to overlook this simple "fact", they don't deserve to call themselves scientists.


      Thank you. It's too bad you posted as an AC, because your post deserves wider exposure than it's probably going to get. My kingdom for some mod points!

      It seems like every story about any scientific controversy on /. brings out a bunch of trolls -- who don't even realize they're trolls -- who feel compelled to roll out some half-remembered fact from 8th-grade science class to "prove" that what these scientists are doing is clearly ridiculous and doomed to failure. Um ... guess what, guys, the people working on the project in question already thought of your objection a looong time ago. For whatever reason, they've dismissed that objection -- and you can be sure that they had good reasons for doing so.

      And even that lends too much credence to objections like the grandparent poster's. Saying, "there's no ice on the moon because it would have evaporated a long time ago" to a planetary scientist studying the possibility of lunar ice is roughly akin to someone with an elementary-school grasp of mathematics saying, "there's no such thing as the square root of a negative number, so what's with all these idiot mathematicians talking about i ?"
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