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Airspeed Velocity Of An Unladen Swallow

An anonymous reader writes "Finally, the question is answered: What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? A designer with too much time on his hands uses his new method for graphically representing Strouhal numbers to clarify a truly pressing question for all armchair zoologists (and a few Monty Python fans)."

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  1. It's the European swallow by SuuSt · · Score: 5, Informative

    just so you know

    1. Re:It's the European swallow by Fishstick · · Score: 2, Informative
      Well, both actually...

      Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government! Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony! You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you! If I went around sayin' I was Emperor just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!"


      Help, help, I'm being repressed!!! Come see the violence inherent in the system!

      Now do you see what I'm on about?

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  2. Re:African or European? by buffer-overflowed · · Score: 2, Informative

    European actually, and the airspeed velocity of an unladen European Swallow is roughly 11 meters per second, or 24 miles an hour.

    Verdict is still out on African(but is probably about the same). The eternal question still stands.

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  3. What does it mean? by Siener · · Score: 4, Informative
    Incedibly it seems as if some /.'ers are missing the reference. It's all about Monty Python and the Holy Grail

    The relevant pieces in the script :
    A swallow carrying a coconut? and The Bridge of Death

  4. How to lie with charts. by blair1q · · Score: 3, Informative

    To imply similarity, make the graph larger than it needs to be. Then all of your points will fall in a narrow range and appear closer together.

    For this and other presentation crocks, read How to Lie with Charts, and its fore-runners, How to Lie with Statistics and How to Lie with Maps.

  5. Concise interpretation by inri · · Score: 1, Informative

    The author of the webpage uses far too much verbiage and pretty pictures and doesn't seem to understand what's happening.

    Amplitude of wing stroke times frequency of wing stroke is (half) the vertical speed of the wing tip. Forward speed is obviously the horizontal speed. Hence the ratio is dimensionless, and measures how steep (on average) the strokes are. It's not too surprising that these ratios should fall in a relatively narrow range, and the authors of the Nature article say as much. Concretely, if the ratio were, say, 100, the wing would be flapping up and down furiously without advancing much -- if the ratio were 1/100, the wing would hardly be moving.

  6. Re:It's not a question of where he grips it. by GreeboNZ · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sorry, but English modals follow the same pattern for negation:

    Will, will not.
    Would, would not.
    Do, do not.
    May, may not.
    Must, must not.
    ....
    Can, can not.
    Sure, 'cannot' is a (more) acceptable alternative spelling for that particular case, but not the only acceptable one.
    see:
    http://www.bartleby.com/68/4/1104.html
    http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~brians/errors/cannot.html

  7. Mod parent up by ishmaelflood · · Score: 2, Informative

    Very good.

    In other words, in airscrew terms, the effective pitch of the blade* rpm is a very linear function of speed.

    Everyone who did physics at school will know that the optimum speed for a momentum transfer device (eg a waterwheel) is a very simple ratio of the stream velocity.

    Damn, I thought it was a pretty neat article, now you tell me it is a (very pretty) statement of the bleeding obvious.

  8. If there was ever a day to RTFA.... by B747SP · · Score: 3, Informative
    Either I've been trolled really well, or this is actually really good stuff. RTFA slashdotters, this Strouhal write-up is actually a really good/interesting read. They've basically come up with a simple formula to describe efficient flight for all animals, regardless of size. Really interesting stuff.

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  9. An awful lot of effort... by ThosLives · · Score: 2, Informative
    To go through all this math and such when

    A) you can divide the distance traveled by the swallow by the time it took to travel that distance, or

    B) you can use a radar gun to measure speed directly

    (Especially when, if you read the article, there is mention that "wind tunnel tests" of swallows showed that their estimates were off (espeically on beat frequency). And they actually used speed measurements to validate their model. Hrm. Seems like an awful lot of work to me...)

    My apologies. I'm a bit cynical this morning.

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  10. Re:Capital of Assyria by xcomputer_man · · Score: 2, Informative

    I did a little scouring around and did find this article:

    http://www.grmi.org/renewal/Richard_Riss/evidences /8jonah.html.

    One of the interesting facts is that there are several documented cases of people swallowed alive by whales who lived to tell the story; and yes, there are historical documents according to the article that support this story, one of which is cited as being from the Babylonian historian Berosus.

  11. Re:Don't give the numbers... by geoffspear · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yeah, they'd need to be made out of metal for radar guns to work. You know, like baseballs, tennis balls, and hockey pucks are all now made out of steel.

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