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Minnesota Senator Says Email Tax Might Reduce Spam

indros13 writes "The Hon. Mark Dayton, Senator from Minnesota, is reportedly considering a "miniscule email tax" to counter the flood of spam. Thinking like an economist, he's obviously hoping to make mass emailing unprofitable. 'You can't say, "We want it to be totally free and unrestricted and on the other hand we want it to work smoothly and civilly," he said.' No word on how all those lobbying groups that use mass emails will respond, but I'm sure there are a few emails on the way..." Politician weasel words are part of the package, though; Dayton says a tax is "just one of the tactics that should be considered, but I don't favor it at this time."

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  1. Government control = bad by TheSpoom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Interesting how everyone who thinks there should be a tax on email thinks that the money should go to their organization or government.

    "Leave it alone," [Norquist] said. "If the government gets involved, they will mess it up."

    Agreed. The point is that if "little" things like this are allow, then it's basically saying "Look, Verisign, commercializing the internet is the solution like you said!"

    I likes my SpamAssassin, thanks ;^)

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    1. Re:Government control = bad by micromoog · · Score: 5, Funny
      Interesting how everyone who thinks there should be a tax on email thinks that the money should go to their organization or government.

      Clearly it should go to a once-a-year ice cream party for the whole Internet.

    2. Re:Government control = bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The problem with any type of fees like this is that only big spammers and corporations will be able to exploit it. I run a non-profit site that sends out approximately 50,000 emails per months. These emails are REQUESTED by the members of my site as they are updates about transactions they are involved in, notices of responses to messages they've posted in the forums and other items.

      I do not make a penny running my site and have to pay most of the cost of the server and the colocation and bandwidth out of my own pocket. Even if they charged one penny per email, I could not afford an extra $500/mo or $6000 per year just for the right to send out email notices to users. I couldn't even afford $50/mo or $600/year if we charged one tenth of a penny per message.

      Besides, what about system notices? And who/how will the email fee be collected? And why not just support an alternate RFC to promote more secure email standards like secure SMTP?

    3. Re:Government control = bad by hendridm · · Score: 4, Funny

      > I likes my SpamAssassin, thanks ;^)

      Me too. I especially like how the last job I applied for on Monster.com got bounced by the HR person's inbox by SpamAssasin because it "looked like spam". Maybe I used too many buzzwords in my resume...

      "Hire me now and enjoy as the ladies in the office will marvel at your enormous penis size relative to mine!"

      Spam has made it difficult to set up legitimate servers to send legitimate e-mail to their indended recipients...

  2. Re:Anything to get more money by icoloma · · Score: 5, Informative
    Taxing childbirth might stop overpopulation.

    Actually, it does. In China and Japan, at least.

  3. This won't work. by FuzzyFurB · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This won't work. To send letters in the mail is the cost of the material, the envelope, and obviously the stamp. The US postal service has continually upped the price of sending letters, yet I seem to get MORE of those 1024 free AOL hours CD's now than ever before, and they are getting bigger and heavier and cost more to send out. I doubt a tax on sending emails will have much of an effect on spam. Spam is already SO much cheaper than snail mail, and snail mail spam still happens. I would argue that even if we levied a 37 cent tax on every email that we still would have a large amount of spam. Besides, how the hell do you enforce such a policy? Especially when emails can be sent within a particular ISP from the spammer to users with no real way for the goverment to get in there and inforce such a payment plan. This just won't work.

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  4. Tax the whole world? by Viol8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Clearly the guy is pretty clueless about email or only ever receives it from his mother down the road. How does he expect to tax email from
    outside the USA? Hold the emails in some large mail spooler at the border and send a bill to the people in the foreign countries? Christ , how do people
    this dumb ever get elected? Oh ... wait...

  5. Re:Haha! by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Taxes? World-wide or what?

    The funny thing that these moron legislators don't understand is, if they could collect the tax on mass e-mailing then they could just as likely just outlaw sending UCE entirely and hold the people doing it responsible. The problem is it's nearly impossible to pinpoint who is sending all this garbage. Why would they pay the e-mail tax when they're already conducting fraud?

  6. so the next outlook virus..... by johnpaul191 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    .... that infects your machine and emails everyone in your address book could cost you a few dollars? YIKES!


    on a more serious note, is there a legal definition of what is spam? i consider anything about M$ Windows based products to be spam because i use a Mac, but i am sure to somebody it may be useful information.

  7. Tax evasion by mlush · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Spammers are already using viruses and hacked accounts to send the email. They won't be paying the tax the victim will.

  8. Good intentions, bad implimentation by Raul654 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think the industry as a whole would be *MUCH* better off looking for a technical solution rather than hoping for government intervention. Plus, the internet is multinational, so it's a hopeless task for the government to do anything about it. "The Road to Hell is paved with good intentions" pretty much sums up this article.

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    1. Re:Good intentions, bad implimentation by yog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed; I thought that it was just a matter of getting all the mail servers to use a more secure form of header that could not be forged, and then spam could be stopped at a higher level.

      Besides, how in the name of the gods do you implement such a tax?

      Do you tax intra-company email as well?

      Do you tax email between different geographical branches of the same company?

      What about instant messages? efax? VoIP?

      Suppose people work around it by creating VPNs and just tunnel their email to members of the VPN by encrypted means.

      Suppose you do file transfers rather than email--just have programs at each end that compile and de-compile the files into text messages, but while in transit they don't resemble email.

      Methinks this whole idea is looney and it will take about a week for people to develop workarounds to completely avoid an "email tax". Leave it to a Member of Congress to destroy yet another productive sector of the economy with taxes. Grr.

      Sorry I'd better go drink my coffee (kaffree actually)

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    2. Re:Good intentions, bad implimentation by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > Besides, how in the name of the gods do you
      > implement such a tax?

      By requiring ISPs to purchase licenses, keep records, and file reports, in the same way sales taxes are collected. The government would, of course, find other uses for those records and reports.

      > Do you tax intra-company email as well?

      Probably not, as long as it doesn't travel over the "public" Internet.

      > Do you tax email between different geographical
      > branches of the same company?

      Probably, though there might be special licenses. "Legitimate" organizations would be allowed to apply for exemptions for mailing-lists. They would, of course, be required to keep records and file reports.

      > What about instant messages? efax? VoIP?

      A different set of taxes.

      > Suppose people work around it by creating VPNs
      > and just tunnel their email to members of the
      > VPN by encrypted means.

      Tax evasion is illegal.

      > Methinks this whole idea is looney and it will
      > take about a week for people to develop
      > workarounds to completely avoid an "email tax".

      Thereby justifying the creation of an enforcement bureaucracy with elaborate regulations. You don't think this is really about spam, do you?

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  9. First the email tax by pegr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Next, the blog post tax. Hey, it would make trolling far more expensive, right?

    Between this story and the story of third world countries wanting the UN to "control" the Internet because IANA is too US-centric, I really get the idea that government-control types really have no clue what the Internet is. If you "regulate" the Internet with taxes, restrictions, etc, another network will rise to take it's place. The main feature of the Internet is relative anarchy (also called freedom). Are there rules on the net? Of course! It's called "consensus"! Deal with it.

  10. Re:Kill the demand, not the spammer by BrokenHalo · · Score: 5, Funny
    Kill the demand, not the spammer

    Bugger that. Kill the damn spammer.

  11. No good intentions here... by jav1231 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is no good intention here. Let's say the tax passes. Spam is reduced because they don't want to pay the tax. The tax, however, is in place. Who is paying it? WE ARE! Are they going to repeal the tax now that only the innocent are paying it? NO! See, a new teat was spawned and their are "social programs" that depend on that new tax. When someone tries to repeal that tax, they will be dubbed "uncaring" and "anti-children." Furthermore, we'll hear the usual "Who is going to pay for the e-mail tax cut!?"