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Microsoft Security Whitepaper
An anonymous reader writes "Microsoft last week published a document on its Web site that describes how the company manages security on its own 300,000 node corporate network. The document is basically a dry discussion of IT risk management strategy, with lots of references to 'asset classes' and 'stakeholders,' and about five, nearly identical 'cycle of life' type diagrams showing how one risk management strategy leads to the next and so on, in a never-ending process. However, the document does open a window on how the biggest, richest software company in the world does security: from the deployment of 65,000 smart cards (let's see, at $50 a piece, that comes to....?), to MS's admission that 'there is a medium to high probability that within the next year, a successful attack will occur that could compromise the High Value and/or Highest Value data class.' According to the document, that includes things such as source code or human resources data."
cause the oxymoronic nature of using MS and Security in the same vicinity... one would think it's just an all white blank sheet of paper.
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they recently published the bug list too
It is encouraging to see a big security industry leader such as Microsoft make such a public display of its unwavering belief that security through obscurity is not security at all - by publishing an open document on its security infrastructure. Perhaps other large players could take a cue from this (IBM, Sun)?
-- HG Pennypacker, wealthy industrialist and philanthropist
However, the document does open a window on how...
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Sounds like somone needs to switch to Mozilla to avoid these annoying pop-ups!
Where does the $50 figure come from? I have two of them in my wallet (AE and Fleet Fusion) and two readers (useless on a mac) that retail for $29.99 a pop that I got for free being that I was an "early adopter". So where does that $50 really come from? And yes, I read the story, I just want to have a better handle on why someone supposedly "in the know" would trow out a figure like that for a quantity purchase of 65,000.
Who are you? The new #2 Who is #1? You are #617565. I am not a number, I am a free man! Muhahaha.
What about World Domination plans? Are those Highest Value data class? Or Really Highest Value?
I have a friend who now works for Apple, and they had training on the various classifications of stuff - I forget what any of the acronyms were, but they were pretty oddly named. I fully expected a bunch of troopers dressed in titanium and perfectly polished clear plastic(hopefully Ti in the, uh, right places) to come storming through the door to erase my brain after being told of such things.
Oh crap- maybe they DID!
Please help metamoderate.
Microsoft hit the nail on the head this time! It's security is as strong as white paper.
And why did you staple the trout to the RAM?
Perhaps you forgot about the compromise of kernel development servers and the Debian website?
Microsoft's concerns regarding source code are likely less about preventing someone from SEEING it (you can pay them money to look at code) and more about modifiying it.
Open Source is a wonderful thing -- but it isn't a silver bullet. Sophisticated programmers with access to any source repository, open or closed can create all sorts of havoc.
Conformity is the jailer of freedom and enemy of growth. -JFK
Of course, that's a risk to Microsoft's customers, so that may not be considered as critical.
To make a long story short, this document is an "Emperor's New Clothes"-style piece of PHB-speak/business-speak/market-speak/PR-speak that nobody really understands, but every business IT strategist that reads it will pretend that its meaning is very profound, like the emperor pretends to see his nonexistant clothes, to avoid appearing stupid to colleagues.
Microsoft. Where do you want to go today?
Have you considered that the masses should actually be protected from Microsoft's source code ? You wouldn't want your neighbours to become stark raving lunatics after having been confronted with the lovecraftian abomination that is Hungarian Notation, would you ?
Trust me my friend, there exist Code Man Was Not Mean to Read. Microsoft is dutifully protecting reality as we know it. We should be thankful.
How can they afford the all the Licenses?
This is the same company that said, under oath, that reveling the windows source code would harm the National Security of the United States, then they gave the source code to China.
Isn't that perjury?
I do believe the issue isn't just code compromise (i.e. putting back doors in...), but in the case of the closed source, finding exploits and backdoors. I need only point to the rationale that MS gave for not disclosing pieces of their source code- it would endanger National Security. Now, either that was a dodge, in which case, Allchin should be doing time in at least Club Fed for lying to a Judge, or it's the God's truth. If it's the God's truth, being in the open is going to reveal most of those things and get them zoomed right off the bat- if it's closed, only the people working on it know about the code (well, and anyone that manages to see it without them looking...) so you don't have as many people looking over the code in question so you end up with things like MS Blaster which caused a packet storm from Hell on the Internet.
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
Did any of the idiots commenting on this story with sophmoric (hehe, M$ security sUx045!) even start to read the Whitepaper?
If they did, they would probaly notice that the paper describes a methodology of security management, including dealing with operating system & application security issues.
Information security is more reliant on process than using x product or y product. If you have established methods to classify what needs protection, identify vulnerabilities & intrusions and rectify the situation, you have a secure IT shop.
Conformity is the jailer of freedom and enemy of growth. -JFK
I know when the BeOS source was leaked, every smart programmer stayed away from it - else be blamed for stealing 'IP'.
Consipiracy Theory #234,345,234: MS deliberately leaks the source to some EOLed code such as Win 95 or NT, and sues anyone who is making inroads with alternate OSes or applications, such as Linux, Mozilla, Open Office etc.
What fun! No doubt, there will be no need to show their code for National Security reasons. We'll just need to trust them.
It's easy for them to afford 65,000 licences.
The sell them to themselves as a loss. Therefore using them as a tax deduction twice - once for the loss and once for the cost......and if the loss is great enough they might even make a profit!
The whitepaper simply presents the dirty little secret that highly technical IT people have always known -- there is no such thing as a totally "secure" system.
Sophisticated hackers identify exploits before they get mentioned on bugtraq and before a fix or patch is even looked at. Those people are a big threat to a company like Microsoft.
Instead of being horrified at Microsoft, you should be pleased. They are taking a remarkably straightforward tack by highlighting the industry's dirty little secret. That is an about face from typical Microsoft FUD.
Conformity is the jailer of freedom and enemy of growth. -JFK
It amazes me that most of you really can't be constructive at all any time 'security' and 'microsoft' are uttered together.
What's more, the moderators encourage this lack of constructive talk by modding up things purely because they decry microsoft. How many days in a row are we going to hear the same old tired MS jokes?
Just because you run linux/bsd doesn't mean you're safe. Hell, by being connected to the internet at all you're at risk. Anyone with enough time, education and willingness to exploit you is going to eventually find a way in.
Anyone running any operating system can be attacked and comprimized. Security is only as good as the people who maintain the machines. You people sometimes seem to forget that despite MS's faults, they do employ some of the best and brightest in the world. I imagine some of you may not believe that, but I do.
Personally, I think that if linux were a home desktop platform that had enough popularity to be a significant enough player in that market you'd be seeing a whole lot more hackers focusing specificly on linux. Realisticly, what is the point of trying to exploit linux? Why exploit the little guy when you can go after the big fish? Especially when the majority of people running the big fish's stuff couldn't secure _any_ box to begin with, regardless of what it was running.
Same thing with the mac. I love it when macos users say "I never get viruses/worms!" well, who would write a virus/worm for such a miniscule percentage of computer users? The whole point of a virus/worm is to propigate, and if you don't have the userbase for it to propigate well, what's the point?
I apologise if I've offended people here, but I really felt this needed to be said. This persistant catscrap between linux and windows users doesn't help anything, or anyone.
Linux/BSD ARE good operating system
MacOS/OSX ARE good operating systems
Windows IS a good operating system
and they ALL have faults.
BeauHD. Worst editor since kdawson.
A quick Google search ("russian hackers microsoft") comes up with:
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http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=2000/10/27/180
There's tons of others. It made a big splash on the tech news circles- and then was apparently promptly forgotten for some unknown reason. Strictly speaking, MS has already had one of their critical breaches they talk about and they couldn't have instituted a scheme like they're talking about in the timeframe from when this was discovered to now (i.e. It pretty much had to be in place or largely so because of the scope and scale of the effort in question...).
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
Thank you! I too tire of the 'ms sucks' posts.
I work with MS once and awhile to get a bug fixed. Like ANY major software out there they have bugs just like the rest of us. Worked with a nice gentleman yesterday. He traced through their code for me. I have done if I had the code. But its their code, and I respect that. They were looking into why an API I use in my code changed after a 'security' hotfix. After an hour of tracing he found that it was wrong. I knew that, but thats ok too, he had to prove it to himself. After all that he told me 'if its a security hotfix it will not be fixed your lucky the code ever worked the way you were using it'. He was right, I knew what they had done and its a good thing.
The moral here? They are deadly serious about security. They will not back out a fix just 'cause'. They are fixing the holes that are there.
I am convinced they are enduring some of the most punishing testing on the face of the planet. To use a term from open source, 'many eyes make all bugs shallow'. They are on a much larger number of desktops then any other OS out there.
I have never found them 'arrogant', 'loud mouthed', or 'bullying'. Like I find on slashdot sometimes about open source. I have found them to bend over backwards to fix ANY bug they have. They do not pounce on it. But they DO fix it. They do not 'hack' it into the code. They test it and make sure its good. If you act like an ass to them they respond in kind. They have THOUSANDS of bugs to fix and they have prioritized them. They only have so many 'core' developers and they are trying to write new stuff and retrofit old stuff.
They have a serious challange. The code is basicly done. They now have to go through it ALL and fix things that were never a priority for them. I would cringe at someone coming up to me and saying my code has the same serious problem in every module, and every function. That is basicly the problem MS has. And making the code 'open source' would make the problem better in some ways, but much worse in others. Also would you want them to rush out a fix for something? Or test it and make sure it works? Also if you want top shelf support out of MS you need to talk in the language of the corporate world. You need money to wave at them. Otherwise get in line with the thousands of other people.
Also do not be fooled by that linux has no 'serious' bugs. They exist, can you say 'root kit'. If you belive that linux is secure by default your living in a dream world neo.
I look at the two systems as tools for me to do things. I have both types of boxs. I use both for many things all the time.
And don't you forget that. Microsoft DOES have people with considerable technical skill and knowledge. I'm guessing that the probability of a security breach was calculated by the people who know what they're doing.
The problem is that you don't get to be the biggest software company in the world without selling products. (And Microsoft is arguably the most important software company - although I think overall Linux is more important in it's potential as an equalizer - there is no one single Linux company).
Selling products implies marketing. This is where it goes wrong. The second that product development is driven by marketing telling customers what features they want - things explode. I mean, really - half the crap in Windows and Office was never wanted by customers in the first place.
I'd still prefer to be using BeOS (I loved 5.0, but lack of support for new hardware meant I had to move on), so Windows 2000 is a pretty good compromise for my needs.
Nobody uses Microsoft technology like Microsoft. Unfortuately, nobody uses Microsoft technology like Microsoft.
The reason? Only Microsoft has the source code and "really understands" Windows. Everybody elses corporate networks running Windows are dogshit -- but Microsoft really does just use the crap the way they tell you to use it, and it works wonderfully. Unfortunately, they are the *only* example of such a user on the planet!
No, its not really excessive. When I worked there, I usually had 4 machines for myself, in my office, and I did development work. Oh, and I had a laptop as well. Testers often used, many, many more machines.
Then add the build machines, servers, a laptop for many people, machines for temp/consultants, people VPN'ing in from home, and it easily makes 300k.
-- Ryan Watkins vamp@vamp.org http://www.vamp.org/
During the original Code Red incident, for a short time, the Windows Update webpage was showing "Hacked by Chinese Worm".
(There was concrete evidence of this but unfortunately I don't have it.)
Here it is.
For some reason you wrote:
"Realisticly, what is the point of trying to exploit linux? Why exploit the little guy when you can go after the big fish?"
Apache is the single most prevalent web server on the internet. Why then is it that hackers "target" IIS? Maybe because it's easier?
and decided to continue:
" they do employ some of the best and brightest in the world. I imagine some of you may not believe that, but I do."
Have you seen Balmer lately? The problem with working for MS is that, even though you may be smart your just wasting your time. Who cares that you can give a lecture on some brilliant way to link corporate data to business users if your entire architecture needs to fit into a proprietary MS 5 year plan for the enterprise?
MS has had 20 years and billions in funding and the best they can come up with is Windows XP. XP solves problems that Unix, Apple, X, NeXT, Amiga, et als. solved a decade ago. MS produces over architected under engineered gaming consoles that are'nt even compatable with themselves.
If your looking for "fair and balanced" where are you going to go? Read a frigin Windows rag if you want to "balance" Slashdot. I'm sure there are plenty of fine articles on .NET just waiting to provide you with hour of fun filled and objective learning experiences.
Kind Regards
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"The open source world needs to learn a little about UI consistency and try to make things easy to use if any Open Source OS is ever going to be taken seriously on the desktop or in the home."
Here is an opportunity for Linux to bring something entirely new to the table: UI consistency. The gratuitous UI changes from one windows flavor to another are deeply frustrating. Finding a particular admin applet is like playing whack-a-mole. As I recall in NT 3.51 the hard disk management applet was easily reached. Every generation hides it deeper.
And the default XP screen is really infantile - inspired by Teletubbies. You can see Po and La-la on really hi-rez screens.
Answer here.
Basically, it's an official report from a company/government meant to be released to the customers/public.
Regardless of who we are talking about, they are predicting a successful attack on the largest company on the planet. And they DO know what they are talking about, they have a better idea of internal security issues then any of us here on the outside.
That's rather scary if you ask me... as that leaves all the smaller companies that cant afford to keep up wide open too..
We could see a really bad year in 04 for attacks and break-ins.. Even worse impact on our industry than the 'litigious 03'...
---- Booth was a patriot ----