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The Problem Of Unused Cabling

Makarand writes "Technological advances constantly render functional cable obsolete by demanding data transfers at higher rates which older cabling cannot support. New cables that support higher data rates are laid right over older wires. The old wires are simply left in place and abandoned. This interesting article talks about the problems caused by abandoned cabling. According to an estimate several billion feet of abandoned cable lies unused in the plenum spaces of buildings that allow air to circulate creating a fire hazard. Also, very few firms currently worry about removing cabling when they move out of a building."

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  1. Fish by Stile+65 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've used old cabling to fish through the new cabling. I'm lazy like that.

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  2. Hours? Seconds more like.. by Channard · · Score: 5, Funny
    .. if you take a lesson from the BOFH school of thought.

    1. Feed loose end of cable out of building, into carpark.
    2. Attach cable to axel of bosses car, and forge email from CEO's wife saying she wants him now.
    3. Watch boss drive off at great speed.
    4. ?????
    5. Profit.

    1. Re:Hours? Seconds more like.. by thynk · · Score: 5, Funny

      4 is pretty simple in this one...

      4. Charge for 40 hours of "out of hours" work at the standard double overtime rate for both you and the PFY. Mark on timesheet as "Removal of Fire Hazard Material"

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  3. Re:Cutting cabling by sjlutz · · Score: 5, Informative

    The standard practice is to recover assets when leaving a building. Just like a company takes it's servers, desktop computers, chairs, and desks, it also takes the relatively expensive network hook up equipment. This generally means the patch panels and the network racks. One rack, 6 or 7ft high, entirely populated with patch panels could easily have cost $4,000.

    Now, in some cases, people are jerks and do not take the time to cut the wires as close to the patch panels as possible. I have seen some cut where the wires enter the room (ussually through the ceiling). This makes re-using the wires impossible since there isn't enough left to do the hookups.

  4. Fire Codes by shepd · · Score: 5, Informative

    Any place with a decent set of fire codes, and people who are actually following them, shouldn't be worrying. FT-5/Plenum cable is simply not a danger.

    Now, if residential "wood burns faster so who cares" FT-1 vinyl cable is used, you get what you pay for. That being said, if the fire inspector ever sees that stuff, you'll probably be looking at a really juicy fine.

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  5. Re:Cutting cabling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    What else are they going to do, break the bloody windows?!

    Bill G already took care of that. :)

  6. Re:Cost to remove? by mlush · · Score: 5, Informative
    Wonder how much it would cost to remove and recover the metals in unused cables, and would it be offset by the sale of the metal?

    Labour costs aside. I'd guess that (data) cabling is a pretty unattractive source of metals. Tons plastic would have to be burned to get to a useful amount of metal. Burning plastic produces all sorts of nasty compounds, which would have to be scrubbed from the emissions significantly boosting the costs.

  7. Some Thoughts from an Expert... by lonb · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I used to run an ISP that was owned by a real estate firm. We wired many buildings in NYC and provided additional services, such as wiring tenant offices and providing Internet access. There are several considerations not pointed out here:

    A. Limitation of Knowledge. The guys who do a lot of the wiring work don't know what the cables do -- believe it or not. My two most experienced, and best, pullers couldn't tell you what ethernet was if their life depended on it. Heck, I had one guy who didn't know what T568b was, but could punch down Cat5 to a T568b block in five seconds flat. All they knew was what they were told to install.

    In the past I had specifically had discussions with them about pulling cables out. Unless they are explicitly directed by the landlord of the building (who knows even LESS than they do) they will not, and probably should not, touch cables that are pre-existing. This is due to fear of not knowing what they could be doing, and worse, what they are, or aren't, doing.

    B. Cross-office runs. In one of my buildings, for example, each floor was an average of 12,500 feet. The average office was 800 sq. ft. Most floors had upwards of 10-12 offices on them. In order to get riser pulls (cabling run in the central, vertical risers of the building) to office drops (termination points for those cables), these typically ran over the other offices. It was typical for the first office, closest to the riser) to have anywhere from 20-40 cables running through their plenum cores that had nothing to do with that office.

    Imagine you come in Monday morning, after a neighbor moved in that weekend, to find all your cabling (data, phone, cable TV, leased lines) had be removed by the overly eager data people.

    C. Simple CBA. The bottomline for any real estate firm is, well, the bottomline. The risk of fire due to overly full cabling space is fairly minimal compared to the risk of losing money and facing lawsuits -- or worse, losing tenants.

    The cost of pulling existing cabling plus the risk of damaging infrastructure minus the value of open space is just not in the favor of making the change. It's really that simple.

    When all is said and done, with my engineering cap on, I'd like to see thorough documentation on cables and better diagrams of floors showing what cable goes where -- and it's really not that hard. But try telling a rushing tenant that they have to wait two weeks while your engineering team documents cables, yeah right.

    Also, with my engineering cap on, I'd make one suggestion for anyone moving into a new office. If you are going to pull out the old cables, and it is in roughly strong strength, use it to snake your new cables! That's what we often did. There are a few snares with this trick to watch out for, but if you have good pullers they'll know what to do -- if you give them the green light.

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