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MPAA Close to Another "Stealth Victory" in Ohio

Tsar writes "The Ohio State Legislature has passed House Bill #179 (PDF / HTML / Status) which, among other unrelated issues, makes it illegal to make an AV-recording in any theater or retail store where a motion picture is being displayed. Walk into a store that sells video gear and hit 'Record' on any camcorder, digital camera or PDA; the first click is a misdemeanor, the rest are felonies. Oh, and the janitor (or any employee) can detain you in or near the store until police arrive if they think you hit 'Record'. Actually recording any of a film (or even knowing that a film was being shown) is not required for a conviction. This bill now awaits Governor Bob Taft's signature--Ohioans, let him know what a bad law this is!"

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  1. news stories? by ministerofsickeningr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    for example: wouldnt any news crew that does entertainment pieces, or, ghod forbid does a story after the bill gets passed, (doing a story in front of a best buy for example) be potentially liable for it? any tv screens in front windows, jumbo-trons in times square, large format displayed at music events, anything thats getting picked up even "accidentally" would invite a potential pummeling.

    1. Re:news stories? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unfortunately, this is the basic problem with law today. From a geeks perspective, false positives are horrenduously bad. From a lawmaker's perspective, they aren't intending for anyone to prosecute these "fringe" cases and so don't consider it to be a big deal. Unfortunately, this is increasingly heading towards a state whereby everybody is guily of something, which is not good for the civil liberties front - if the government/bigco doesn't like you for whatever reason, they are bound to find something to nail you with.

    2. Re:news stories? by rmohr02 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you're a cop, arrest a news crew for this. The law is in the books, and I'm sure the news crew will take care of educating the public afterwards.

  2. Circuit City by image · · Score: 5, Insightful

    According to my interpretation of this law, consider the Circuit City delima. As Circuit City sells televisions and their floor models are constantly playing movies for demonstration purposes, the following things are now illegal inside the store:

    * As a customer, taking a video recording of your friends with your own cell phone.

    * As a customer, trying out the video recording feature of a cell phone that you are interested in purchasing.

    * As a customer, trying out the video recording capabilities of a camcorder or other dv device before purchasing.

    * As a salesperson, demonstrating the video capabilities of cell phones or camcorders.

    * As the store itself, recording images from their own security cameras.

    Because of this law, Circuit City would have to disallow their customers from trying out in the store the very products they sell, stop their salespeople from demostrating their own products, and disable their own security cameras.

    Only in America, folks, would we let corporations making such a laughing stock of the public.

  3. Re:so a janitor.. by erasmus_ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My note reads:

    I am writing this note to let you know that I am strongly opposed to House Bill #179, specifically its provision about motion picture recording. Although I do not support piracy, the wording of this law is far too imprecise, and I believe will lead to wrongful convictions and problems for citizens who are not innocent of any crime. There is a world of difference between someone sneaking in a video camera into a movie theater for the purpose of making a bootleg tape, and someone innocently using the record function of a device at a store where a movie may or may not even be shown. I believe trying to sneak this provision in among others is deceitful, and I would strongly oppose anyone supporting this bill in its current form at the next election. Thank you.

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  4. Re:video DRM by iain · · Score: 4, Funny

    Cue hordes of arrests under the DMCA for circumventing a copy control measure, by holding a camera on its side.
    Just a minute while I fit a spirit level to my camera...

  5. What I wrote by Dachannien · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Dear Governor Taft,

    I am writing regarding the recently-passed bill Ohio Sub H. B. 179. While this bill has provisions unrelated to my concerns, I wish to voice my extreme trepidation with regards to the provisions prohibiting activation of a video recording device inside any facility where a copyrighted movie is being shown.

    The bill is incredibly poorly written. It would prohibit, for example, the following innocuous activities:

    * Patrons at retail stores like Wal-Mart could be arrested for testing out the assortment of video cameras if any movie was being shown in the store (and stores generally like to show the movies that they're trying to sell).

    * News reporters would not be permitted to record video at retail stores or movie theaters if a movie were being shown at the time; an investigative reporter could be arrested for doing a story on health violations at the concession stand if a movie is playing in the theater and the theater owner decides to call the police.

    * Retail store owners and theater owners could be arrested for running security cameras in their buildings if they did not obtain the written permission from the copyright holders for every movie they show. This includes stores like Blockbuster, which shows numerous movies on their TVs in an effort to generate more rentals, and runs security cameras to help prevent crime; each store owner would have to obtain permission individually for every copyright holder of the movies they show, and while they wait for a response, they would either have to let their TVs go dark or their security cameras go blind in order to conform to the law.

    Obviously, this bill has numerous issues with regards to these provisions - and these issues far outweigh any benefits that could be generated. This is especially true since a much simpler bill stating that "video recording of a publicly-performed motion picture is prohibited without the permission of the copyright holder" would suffice.

    Well... except for the part where we already have federal laws that state that.

    Please veto this bill, and demand that the State Legislature return to you a bill that includes only the other unrelated provisions of the bill.

  6. Re:I think they're hiring programmers.. by JofCoRe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And let me tell you, when you catch them, you do not want them to be caught without a law specifically forbidding the exact method they employ

    I think that's the important part... These new laws they're passing are unneccessary. Don't we already have laws that make copyright infringement illegal? Which would mean that if someone actually did tape something in a store like this, they would be infringing copyright, which we already have a law for.

    Argh.

    It's like drugs. The drugs themselves shouldn't be illegal. If someone wants to purchase and/or use drugs, it's their body, let them. If they start doing things because of the drugs that affect other people (like robbing, shooting, driving cars into things, etc), then they should be prosecuted for the crimes they commit. Another example of redundant and unneccessary laws.

    We already have laws for the crimes, we don't need laws for every possible method or action that might lead you to the breaking of the already existing laws.

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