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64-bit Laptops Reviewed
prostoalex writes "ExtremeTech reviews current mega-notebooks, which are powerful enough to become a desktop replacement. Among the laptops reviewed there's one with 64-bit AMD Mobile Athlon 64 3200+ (2.0GHz clock rate) - the Voodoo Envy m:855."
I'd really like one of these.
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Hate to tell them this, but even my Pentium II 433 laptop is plenty powerful to replace a desktop. The only difference between any laptop and any normal desktop is form factor.
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They keep saying "Oh, these flashy notebooks are now good enough to be a desktop replacement! You don't need a desktop any more! You're FREEEEEE!"
And then nobody replaces their desktop with them, they just swan round office meetings and expensive cafes with them to show off.
In 6 months, desktops are even more powerful and laptops have fallen behind again.
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If they can fit 64 bit tech (why couldn't they before?) into a laptop, I'd love to see something modular come of this. Get a keyboard that can detach from the thing. A small wireless mouse that hooks on the side. A dock for the screen.
That way we can have our cake and eat it too. I want a laptop that PAINLESSLY becomes my desktop when I take it home, without having to plug a bunch of crap in.
When are they going to get it right? Must we do everything ourselves? I mean seriously...look at some of the innovations that would have never happened without someone in the modding community doing it first.
If I could get funding, I'd even build the thing and send it to a manufacturer if it means I can buy a bunch for my kids in the future when they hit college age.
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I have to bitch about the low memory limits on these AMD64-based laptops. All the ones I've seen so far max out at 1GB (actually, many of the desktops also max out in the 1-2GB range, but at least a few are cluefull). This pretty much kills the point of having a 64-bit processor (I guess you still might get a boost with properly tuned integer code).
Word to the wise: 64-bit apps actually take up more memory, if for no other reason than all the pointers are now 64-bit instead of 32-bit. So your 1GB laptop is going to feel a lot more memory constrained than if it were running 32-bit code. The Intel systems have better power management, and they typically will let you go to 2GB, so for most folks they will actually perform significantly better.
Methinks this first generation of laptops is essentially for folks who want the bragging rights of saying they have a 64-bit CPU, without really understanding the implications.
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So when I picked up a dual CPU Sun Ultra 60 last year for 50$ that wasn't affordable? How about the 25$ SGI Indy I got three years ago?
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I find even powerful laptops a poor second to my desktop. One thing is 3d agmes. The laptop I have does ok, but still nowhere near what my desktop can do. Of course, there are now better laptops that are as good or better than my desktop, but likewise there are better desktop cards. However the biggest thing is audio work. I finally have audio interfaces that will work with a laptop (firewire and usb), however the drives are still damn slow. So that means it's either a lot of wating, or bringing an external drive. Oh, and you can never have too much CPU for that sort of thing.
Now to try and use a P2 433? Thanks but no thanks. It'd be faster to save the data, walk it to a real comupter, render it, and walk it back than wait on a complex rendering on that. And forget about games.
Look, I appreciate that there are people out there who do very little with their computers resource wise. That's great, I'm happy for you. However this silliness of "Well X old box is great and all you need" every time a story comes out on new hardware ought to stop. There are plenty of people who DO use lots of power for work or pleasure and so it is relivant to them.
The point of a "desktop replacement" laptop means one that is powerful enough in every respect to compete with today's high end desktops. For those that want lots of power, this is of intrest.
Take these power laptops from all the makers and run them on batteries.. see how fast they can complete their tasks and if how fast they run out of juice. Imagine a Photoshop contest with the Athlon laptop, some other 64-bit laptops, and the fastest 32-bit G4 Powerbook.. UNPLUGGED. Turn off all power-saving features and see which ones actually get work done without dying.
That's the true test of a mobile desktop replacement.
Those who laugh at you for you having a Mac.. are the people who constantly call you to fix their PC.
Okay; there are big advantages to a "desktop-replacement" laptop over an actual desktop; I now have my second desktop-replacement laptop and I doubt I will ever buy a desktop again.
First of all, a laptop doesn't take as much space as a desktop; just try to fit a desktop computer into a dining room or a living room, or even a bedroom, it's just damn unsightly and unweilding, let alone unportable, a laptop will fit into these with no trouble at all, and if you wish to you can unplug it in throw it into the drawer.
A laptop can easily become a portable DVD player. My Sony Vaio has TV out, so I can plug it into the scart to watch movies on the TV. Or, if I watch those foreign or independent movies that no one else wants to see, I switch off the lights, lie comfortable on my side or back, and either unfold the laptop and rest it on its side so it has an angle that'll keep it up, or rest it on my stomach with an empty A4 sized folder attached to it with a thick rubber band, amazingly they're exactly the same width, and the folder both gives it a good angle and sheild the heat from my stomach, and it weighs almost nothing. From this close distance, it feels so much like watching a movie in the cinema, sizewise!!! Now try watching a movie on a desktop... argh, it's an ordeal.
Then, you can take a laptop to work or with you to a hotel room.
As for ergonomics, the full-size screen of a sony vaio is immensely comfortable, and a 15" screen is quite generous.
Any modern laptop will have a processing power that'll last for years. I've upgraded my memory to 400mb. As for upgradeability, I have a Belkin 7-port USB hub, and i can daisy chain that to have 127 USB ports if i want to. I'm quite happy with this combo, the memory upgrade and the USB 7 port hub completely transformed my usage. I downloaded a virtual desktop utility from sourceforge, and now i keep my commonly used Apps running at startup, and my cybershot cam and clie handheld, and wireless gamepad, always plugged into the USB hub.
What more is there to ask for.
You need something like this if you want to rest a laptop on in your lap while sitting in a sofa or on a couch. It's a simple do-it-yourself and it doesn't get any better than this. Amazingly my Sony Vaio is the exact width to a standard A4 folder. The folder adds hardly any significant weight, and it will sheild a significant amount of heat from your thighs, as air and carboard, which is still tough enough and durable if good quality, are poor conductors of heat. Also, as long as you don't rest your wrists, which you should never do anyway, typing will be comfortable with this tilted angle. In addition, the tilted angle will lift the screen up, especially when you adjust the screen hinge to unfold it a little further, so instead of looking down, you're looking a little more forward. You can even use two folders on top of each other, in either of two combinations, either for a more horizontal or a more tilted towards vertical position. You can also use two thick rubber bands if you don't trust the quality of those you purchased.
Interestingly, IBM has recently demonstrated a prototype that does something similar, which mimics a lot of this simple trick that you can have for almost free.
Man, I know about this practice, and I know a lot of people swear by buying ODM models. But the fallacy about "all they do is repaint it!" really needs to stop.
As far as I can see, the Clevo top-end notebook, the D800P (correct me if I'm wrong) does indeed bear striking similarities to a few of the Hypersonic PCs. It also lacks several features that they have, including a 1600x1200 TFT (also known as UXGA, if you're a complete tool and prefer marketing jargon) and 802.11g, and a great dead pixel policy.
Yes, the motherboard and most of it's assorted equipment are standard, but they do make changes, improvements, even things as small but tremendously important as putting down a new keyboard layout. Saying that it's just the same thing with a new paint job really isn't true at all.
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Is that is has all the disadvantages of a lap-top, and none of the advantages of a proper desktop system to begin with.
1. I do not like to type looking down to the screen, but rather looking horizontally at the screen.
2. The keyboards are still small and iffy, this is my main issue with them. I do sometimes liek to punish my keyboard (When angry) safe in the realisation that replacing it is really not a big deal. I also like having a numeric keypad separate from the rest of the other keys. I do use my right hand for that a lot.
3. I like to open my desktop if anything goes wrong or if I need to replace something rather than having to pay someone to do it for me, something I would have to probably do with a laptop.
4. I cannot trust playing games on a laptop, probably to do with the keybaord thing again.
5. Many laptop components are very limited, slow hard drives, slower graphics and so on, which is what makes for a really good desktop.
You could probably add more and more. But this is the reason why lap-tops do not make good desktop replacements, even if they are as fast or faster. I think work is definitely slower on lap-tops, but maybe I am used to them. If I get a lap-top I will probably look for somethign otehr than spped in it, which is probably the reason Apple lap-tops are popular, they put in a lot of value adding stuff. Speed is not of much value in a lap-top.