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Israeli Ministry of Commerce Picks OO.org Over MS

CaptainT writes "According to this article in The Register Microsoft office was replaced by Open Office in the Israeli employment agency. MS scorns the defection... This follows current Israeli antitrust legislation and the recent release by IBM and Sun of Hebrew support in OpenOffice.org. Is the Israeli Defence Force going to follow?"

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  1. IMO by mOoZik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In my opinion, Open Office still has many issues which need to be fixed in future releases to compete with MS Office. I don't know whether that was taken into consideration in this move, but certainly a step in the right direction for open source.

    1. Re:IMO by rebeka+thomas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Certainly. You can look at it from anywhere between two extremes. "Open Office still does not compete with MS Office feature for feature" and "Open Office is not as bloated as MS Office".

      Not everyone needs all of the features MS Office "Offers". It's just another product with a wide range of features available to users, and it would be insane to suggest every user needed all features.

      More than likely the Israeli decision went to OOo because it contained the right features, or enough of the right ones.

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    2. Re:IMO by croddy · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I'm fairly sure the decision was based on Microsoft's failure to support Hebrew in MS Office for MacOS, despite supporting other right-to-left languages. this was mentioned in another /. story noting that Israel had suspended all contracts with Microsoft.

      I guess MS can't get away with cutting too many corners anymore ...

    3. Re:IMO by October_30th · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Are you trying to say that the ability to import and export documents in different formats is irrelevant and everybody should just use OO instead? "Just forget all those five-year old documents. Who needs to see them anymore"? Your clients/collaborators are using Word and the OO export doesn't work? "It's not OOs fault - it's theirs for not using OO instead of the closed but de facto standard word processor. Refuse to collaborate with them until they 'get it'."

      What dreamland are you living in?

      Functionality is useless if you can't view your old files.

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    4. Re:IMO by Zachary+Kessin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is one specific feature that the goverment here wants, the ability to have top flight hebrew support. If you don't have that (and MS office does not from what I am told) then everything else is gravy. The ability to support the official language of the state of Israel is a key factor in what the goverment of the state of israel uses for computers.

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    5. Re:IMO by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 4, Insightful


      As a Mac Partisan, I will concede that the Mac market is small, particularly abroad. However, as the parent poster mentioned: a previous story on /. reposted a Reg story that described how, since MSFT failed to implement Hebrew support in Office products for the Mac, that

      The Israel Ministry of Commerce has suspended all governmental contracts with Microsoft, and indicated that the ban will last throughout 2004. The de facto suspension means no upgrades for the duration, at a time when Microsoft is looking to roll out its Office 2003 upgrade; and the Ministry is said to be examining OpenOffice as an alternative.

      Emphasis mine: that's all contracts, regardless if they're for Mac based MSFT product, or Windows based MSFT product.

      I will agree that the lack of support for Hebrew in a marginal product is more than likely a spurious complaint; I think it's probable that Israel was going to ban MSFT anyways, and jumped on the Office v Mac lack of Hebrew support as a convenient excuse. But there it is.

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  2. People are stupid by rebeka+thomas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm reminded of when a large australian company changed to an OSS desktop solution, and MS decried this as "a blow for choice in the market". No explanation of how this could be possible, but everything is sound bites, a mere snippet of text that cannot possibly convey any real meaning of a situation.

    "The ... agency has selected an immature and unproven software package" could well be applied to anyone looking towards Longhorn.

    Few will make that leap of judgment to understand the hypocrisy.

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  3. Re:Am I alone... by adamruck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    when the little pebbles start to hit microsofts bank accounts then ill agree, untill then microsoft will do the same old thing. You have to understand, to most people windows is what a computer is, they have no intrest in changing.

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  4. Re:A small step forward... by Micah · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Huh? OOo has quite a number of features that AbiWord lacks. And some of them will be important to large users.

    AbiWord is fine for simpler documents though.

    I *do* agree that Gnumeric is great, and it's prettier than OOo Calc.

  5. Re:from such small acorns by BigRedFish · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft's attitude speaks volumes here as well

    Glad someone else saw that, too. Earth to Redmond: In addition to being obnoxious, the "tight fisted" comment can be read as an anti-Semitic slur.

    So MS has painted themselves into a corner, and now they're kernel-panicking. They can't support Linux or BSD for business reasons, the Mac is a *nix box now too so it's out of the picture for them, and they've already pre-announced that their next Windows version can potentially, via DRM and copyrighted file formats, usurp the document owners' rights to their data. Why would one of world's most security-conscious states go for a deal that locks them into the world's least security-conscious software company?

    "Buy it or we'll call you names" isn't going to cut it as a response. And for some reason, I don't think you need "advanced enterprise features" to crank out form letters that read: "Dear [applicant]: Thank you for your interest in..." even if it they do read from right to left.

    Gotta give MS the Darl McBride Brass Balls Award though. It takes a lot of nerve for a company that can't even suffer the possibility of a hypothetical competitor cutting into its revenues in the future, to call someone else "tight-fisted" for not reaching into his pocket for cold cash right now, just to buy the privilege of paying again and again any time MS decides to "increase shareholder value."

    And then there's the delicious irony of IBM and free software being the spoilers. [theatrical-trailer-voice] Twenty years ago, he stole their operating systems, (clip) and plunged the world into reboots (clip), incompatibilities (clip), and perpetual upgrades (pause). Now, they're back - with a vengeance! (30-sec. action clip sequence to dark screen. Cue titles) Desktop Wars II: IBM returns. Now playing in Israel and the West Bank. In theaters worldwide next Summer. This feature has not yet been understood by the Software Association of America.[/theatrical-trailer-voice]

  6. Re:I hate being the bearer of bad news... by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If opening a document makes you a criminal, then I say the sooner the better, then the general populace might understand that having corporations like MS run your government isn't a good thing.

    It's just as likely people will ditch MSOffice than OO. In fact more so - who will want to work with a package that can't save files you can open anywhere else (even on a non-fritz PC which will be the vast majority for many years to come - there are *zero* fritz chips in circulation at the moment). No company is going to use Word if they deal with Europe, asia, in fact anywhere else but the US, because their documents would be unreadable.

    OTOH I can't see MS committing that kind of suicide. They're not *that* stupid.

  7. Re:Who do you root for? by MoneyT · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Might it have something to do with the land that they were given was at the time brittish territory? Or the fact that their ancestors had lived in that area for as long as the palestinians? Originaly they had a very small section of land, given to them by the brittish government. Then 6 other nations decided they didn't like that and invaded. Israel beat them back and in the process captured territories (a convention of warfare, any land captured is yours) and now the paletinians are pissed because they have less land. Lesson to the palestinians, if you want to keep your land, don't go starting wars you can't win.

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  8. O97 Debugged! by hughk · · Score: 4, Insightful
    My version of the comment would be "the features of Office 97 debugged".

    Actually Office 2K debugged most of the features of Office 97. By the same token, Office 2k3 should debug all of them and some of the new features introduced with Office 2K.

    I agree with your mother. I updated much earlier but that was because O97 wasn't stable with larger documents or embedded objects. However, I now stick with O2K on my remaining Windows system.

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  9. Re:Who do you root for? by Shimbo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Jewish people were sent into exile 2000 years ago, and yet they survived the Inquisition, pogroms, WWII, Stalin, etc. and always aspired to return to their land.

    It's really dangerous to assume its reasonable to pick the time when your chosen nation was at its largest extent and assume you get to put the clock back.

    One could just as reasonably say that they were once part of the Babylon empire, and therefore should be part of modern Iraq. Or under the Romans, so should be part of Italy.

    These mythic religious fantasies are really damaging - witness the crusades.

    There aren't any good, simple solutions to these problem. Several people have reasonable claims to the territory, and they need to work towards a reasonable solution.