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What's Coming in Solaris 10
raptor21 writes "Ace's hardware has an article with feature list of technologies in Solaris 10 or whatever it is called today. Interesting stuff like DTrace, FireEngine, military grade security and a new filesystem called ZFS, Zetabyte File System."
...is to refer to it as "Solaris X" or "Solaris OS X". That way it can join the ranks of:
Mac OS X
JBuilder X
MegaMan X
And others!
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Isn't that where the case is internally wired to explosives so that all the hardware and data will be incinerated if an unauthorized user tries to crack it open?
Maybe the military has various grades of security. They shouldn't, though -- everything should explode. What good is the military if nothing explodes?!
When your only tool is an axe, every problem starts to look like hours of fun.
It was beta, though, so I couldn't talk to them.
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hmm... possibly because this article is entirely about features that you will not find on kernel.org?
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Can I run the ZFS (Zebra file system) in a RAID-0 configuration?
Thanks,
Stripes
Not all of these features will be available with the initial release
Yes, I too am releasing an operating system. It will have the ability to run buggy code without compromising any other part of the system(*). It will improve performance of buggy code as well, rewritting it to accomodate your Bugless Needs(TM)(*).
* Not all of these features will be available with the initial release
Wait until you see what is coming down the pipe from Sun. The new Athlon 64 workstations and servers will breathe new life into Solaris. For the first time you will be able to run a fully 64-bit kernel with all of the stability and reliability of Solaris, along with all of the advanced features of Solaris. Features like this won't even make their way into Linux for another 5 years or so.
Solaris 10 will be the first release of Solaris that supports native 64-bit mode on the new AMD Opteron and Athlon 64 processors.
Not to mention the ability to address terabytes of memory without using PAE hacks.
The only question in my mind is: Will you be able to run the IA-64 port of Solaris 10 on a home-built Athlon 64 box, or will it require Sun hardware to run?
"When the president does it, that means it's not illegal." - Richard M. Nixon
It looks like Sun is adding compelling new features that make Solaris 10 a more powerful alternative than Linux. I wonder if offering a better product is a valid business model. Seems like suing your competitors and their customers is cheaper (no pesky high-paid engineers) and ,uch better for the stock price. I'd suggest anyone investing SUNW should instead buy into a company with a proven business model like SCOX.
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Why would you want to pay through nose for a proprietary,
I suppose conforming to open API's doesn't count?
no-support,
I daresay Sun's support is broader and better than Red Hat's any day.
closed source *nix
So your real problem is that Sun doesn't give away all of their IP for free then, right? Sorry, but not everyone believes that the communal ideal of share and share alike is a viable business model.
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I wonder what they will charge for the upgrade. Sun wisely made the Solaris 8 -> Solaris 9 move free for developers and home users. (They have home users?)
Your comment shows a huge lack of knowledge about Sun and Solaris licensing. If you purchase a system from Sun you have a right-to-use license for any version of Solaris you want to put on it. If you bought your system from some other vendor (aka Intel), then you have a right-to-use license for only 1 CPU. Any more than that you must purchase licenses. Sun doesn't charge for upgrades, other than the media price itself. When Solaris 10 is released, go ahead and put it on your Ultra 5 or Sun Blade 150, or whatever you have. No worries there.
Also, unless you are just trolling, you should be aware that Sun has shipped the Gnome 2.0 desktop environment with Solaris 8 for the last year or so. KDE also comes on the Open Source software CD included with Solaris 8.
No wonder they are losing billions.
Last I checked, Sun was merely losing millions, not billions. While this is still a bad thing, they do have ~$5 billion in the bank and won't be going away any time soon.
Go back to your bridge and quit spreading FUD, troll.
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[puts on tin foil cap]
Carousel is a lie!
Soft partitioning is for grown ups who use big computers. It has nothing to do with disks. It is dynamically changing a "virtual" machine within a piece of hardware that is visible to an os. For example you could take a 6800, and have 3 different instances of solaris running on it. If you needed more cpu in one of the "partitions", you can shrink one of the other partitions, and add cpu's to the one in need. Its the same thing as a domain on a e10k, except its at a software level instead of hardware.
That's "Zettabyte", guys, not "Zetabyte", as the referenced article correctly states, too. Now go and write down the SI prefixes 100 times.
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I was a computer operator on a carrier long long ago. The computer room was two decks under the flight deck, right under the arresting gear ... pretty high up. My abandon ship station was to take a fire ax and whack the computer. I guess that old supply computer had too much vital technology. It wasn't the data in the computer, because it had no permanent storage, it was a tape operating system, and my job did not include whacking the tapes. So they were more concerned with the enemy capturing our carrier and recovering the computer technology than recovering the records of how much toilet paper we used. Must have been the water tight seals around the tape drive doors -- they claimed it could operate under water, tho how deep I never heard. And being so high up, 40 or so feet above the waterline ... if that had ever gotten under water, I wasn't planning on being the duty operator.
Infuriate left and right
Look. I just got a Sun Blade 150. I guarantee Gnome is not in there nor is there an option to use it. I searched the help files and there is nothing about Gnome. This is a brand new system.
Ok, I'm going to walk you through this since you're obviously new to Solaris. Open up your Solaris 8 media kit (you know, the big box you got with Solaris 8). Hopefully you purchased a media kit along with your system or you might be screwed. Find a plastic binder called "Bonus Software". In there there is a CD called "Exploring the Gnome Desktop". Pop that in your CD-ROM and install it. Gnome is now installed and you can choose it from the login screen. There's another CD in that same Bonus Software pack called "Software Companion" that has tons of Open Source software, including KDE. If you install that you'll have GCC and a bunch of other great GNU and open source stuff. I highly recommend you do that.
I hope Solaris 10 is free. The last time I bought a Sun it wasn't free.
Solaris 10 will be free in the same way that Solaris 8 and 9 are. If you bought a system from Sun, you already purchased a Right-to-Use license (it's bundled into the cost of the hardware). All you have to pay for is a media kit. When you said "last time I bought a Sun it wasn't free." I think you're talking about paying $70 for a media kit. This seems like a lot but look at how big those boxes of media are. It probably costs close to that amount to manufacture all of the CDs and manuals in there.
"When the president does it, that means it's not illegal." - Richard M. Nixon
You do not sound like you use Sun hardware. Rewriting an IP stack for greater scalability, and implementing a better trace are certainly useful to the market Sun is aiming at.
DTrace, provided it is well implemented, should be very useful for debugging the sorts of problems that one runs into in many enterprise settings, and I assume that folks who develop for Solaris, and the support folks at Sun are more pleased than anyone that it is in there.
How anyone could characterize an IP stack that handles multiple 10Gbit NICs bloat is beyond me. I realize that it would be absurd for home users or a small office setting, but that is not exactly the market Sun is in. The fact is that bandwidth can be high enough (100Gbit) that it was time to implement an IP stack that handled multiprocessor configs gracefully - that was where the bottleneck was. Sun was engineering a solution, not bloat.
"We haven't even reached petyabytes, for $DEITY's sake!" Which 'we' are we referring to here? While petabyte data stores are not common (yet), there are certainly a number of existing sites out there with petabyte SANs, especially in scientific research, and various gov't applications. Having a filesystem that scales past that is not bloat, it is foresight, and it is a selling point for that class of customers to know that Sun will be able to scale, and is doing the work of scaling in advance, rather than retrofitting some bolt-on solution.
Hyperbole is the worst thing ever.
How many times does someone have to clarify the point that the linux kernel's TCP/IP stack has been rewritten AT LEAST once since it had BSD roots?
And we are to ignore VxWorks as well? It's stack is specially designed for embedded workloads.
Then there's Cisco's OS. Oh, and Windows NT 5.x stack is completely different than the BSD one. It's just the sockets interface that's grafted on top of it that carried some Berkerley copyrights.
Now that I think about it, it seems that only operating systems using the BSD TCP/IP stack are the BSDs themselves! (MacOSX included)
Fuck Beta. Fuck Dice
Who marked this as a troll? What's trollish about it? Solaris is the industry standard for high performance unix. I've worked on solaris, AIX,HP-UX, and Redhat, and I'd say that solaris gives me the least headaches. Any why did grandparent even mention support? No support in linux, aside from mailing lists. One can pay for support, a la Redhat, but that debunks that argument now doesn't it.
Sun makes money off of selling sun systems and support. I've found that they are as responsive as asking questions on a open source mailing list, without the RTFM comments. They make programming on their platform a really good experience. The documentation on their website is light years from microsoft and (though it is very dear to me) the linux documentation project.
As somebody else said, use the right tool for the job. I like linux alot. I run it at home. But it is not the catch-all solve-all operating system. I has its uses and weaknesses, but the reasons why to use solaris over linux are very numberous.
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I was told that SUN was primarily a hardware company, and that the more exposure they got, even from software, would create more hardware sales
:-)
Because if customers want to use Sun systems for their shop, but there isn't an office product that runs on it they still have to have PC's lying around. If Sun supplies them with the hardware, OS, and decent office tools, it's yet another reason the customer can use Sun.
suddenly SUN was a wee bit worried. They tried Solaris 9 for x86, then pulled it back later on
Uhm. I've got a copy of Solaris 2.6 x86 downstairs in my software library. If you think that Solaris 9 was the first x86 release of Solaris, you're not very educated on Sun products/offerings. The reason Sun "pulled back" from x86 is because they were ready to relinquish the x86 market to Linux. Customers SCREAMED at Sun NOT to do this. They WANTED Solaris reliability and functionality on x86 CPU's and didn't trust Linux completely. Sun happily obliged.
Does anyone else think that they're competing with themselves?
Huh?
They're not a software-as-a-service business model. They're not really even an OS Software "manufacturer" business. They're a hardware company who has tried their hand at everything from a programming language (Java), an office suite (staroffice), and OS/desktop (Solaris, Java Desktop).
Yes. Your one-stop-shopping place for all of your workplace needs. You need the hardware? Got that. You need an OS that offers seamless integration with the hardware? Here 'ya go. Want a built-in filesystem with the features of VXFS without having to pay a license fee to Veritas? ZFS comes in 10. Want to write your code in one language and run it on all of your other systems? Use Java. OS Desktop? That's just icing designed to take more $ from Bill G's pocket.
When Linux pulls through
Linux is a good OS and I am no stranger to it whatsoever, but it has a long way to go to catch up to Solaris. This announcement about Solaris 10 is demonstrating just that.
Oh, and by the way. Some of us in my office are playing with the internal-only betas of Solaris 10. Very sexy IMNSHO. For the heck of it, I started calling it SunOS X as a parody of MacOS X. The rest of the engineers on my team have followed suit, though as of yet none of us know what the "official" release name will be.
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This is a Solaris discussion, Every competent Solaris admin has a spare nutsack as a hotswap.
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Is it just me or does a lot of what Sun is doing remind you of what SGI went through in the high-end visualization market a few years back?
Obviously things are not DIRECTLY equatable but I can't stop thinking about the comparison.
Couldnt you say that in both cases that their niche erroded due to low or no cost competitors?
Both had some great software. Could Sun having Solaris and Java be somewhat equateble to SGI's OpenGL and Irix?
Both companies had hardware at the heart of their business models at one point.
Sun seems to be doing what SGI did in trying to do a bunch of different things to pull itself out while in the process losing focus and STILL having hardware at the heart of the business model.
SGI is obviously still around. If you look at their website now, you can see they are targetting a much smaller niche than they used to (supercomputers). The day of thinking that an o2 will be on the desk of every college student has long passed. I'm sure SGI never thought they would be promoting Linux-based supercomputers on their homepage 5 years ago - lord only knows what Sun will have on theirs homepage 5 years hence.
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Is there any official definition of what "Military Grade" means? Does the fact that it is used by the Military automatically mean it is "Military Grade".
I'm starting to think that "Military Grade" is about to join the ranks of such descriptors as "Low-Fat", "Broadcast Quality", "New and Improved" and "Internet Ready".
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