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mnmonte writes "Yesterday morning Opte.org announced that they have successfully mapped the entire internet. They are currently compiling a LGL map for all to see. Currently they have a LGL map that has 'over 5 million edges and has an estimated 50 million hop count'. Also only took them 252.68 hours to complete."
Maybe I'll finally be able to find out where I took that wrong turn...
"Also only took them 252.68 hours to complete."
If they can do all that, then they likely won't suffer too much from the slashdot effect. That is unless, enough of us get our grubbies on their 2.8meg PNG map from Nov 23...
"Mapping engine status: Stalled (Damn Slashdot Bastards!)"
I know it's a LGL map, but wouldn't it be cooler to position connections on a mock surface of our planet? That might actually be something to behold. These maps just appear to be link/traffic pointers or something to that effect.
So when are one of us nerds going to invent a better way to tell what geographical location is associated with what IP/URL? Servers could have a kind of location grid address. That'd be neat. That way you could tell how far your data was going, and where. You could avoid posting in certain countries, or try to post in others. The flipside would be that it would cut back on privacy and the anonymity that makes the web special. Wouldn't it be kinda scary if your IP told people where to find you? I can think of a few angry gamers that might want to do me in, I don't know about you!!!
I'll print it and give it to my wife. If she ever needs directions again on the web, I'll give her the map, slap my forhead and mumble 'oh yeah, that's right : women can't read maps'
:-)
ooh i'm so bad
When will I end this grieving ? When will my future begin ?
Quick! They've done something really cool and clever. Let's Slashdot them back to the stone age. That'll teach them!
Reality is defined by the maddest person in the room
"Hey, I can see my house from up here!"
Trolling is a art,
Their site seems to be crawling. I thought for a minute we'd have to take them off the map.
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suwain_2
... I'll be starting to produce maps of IP addresses to latitude/longitude by IP address soon... Been sourcing the data.(See the sig.)
Simon
Physicists get Hadrons!
...and it only took 6 minutes to /. their server.
"...all the labours of the ages, all the devotion, all the inspiration, all the noonday brightness..." yada yada
So now I finally know why the internet is so damned slow... people are purposely wasting bandwidth trying to 'map out' the internet, and all this time I thought it was a DDOS attack... or at the very least some new worm...silly me.
I wonder if there are people driving around during rush hour trying to 'map out' the city...
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I think this is neat. They are apparently releasing the map data itself, not just the pretty pictures. This means that the map is usable for research. There are lots of things you could look at, from average network distance between nodes to routing redundancy and who knows what else. Since it's open source, maybe others can come along and improve it, perhaps associating the nodes with geographical location.
Wouldn't it be kinda scary if your IP told people where to find you?
Umm... this has been possible for quite a while: See Geobutton: http://www.geobutton.com/IpLocator.htm
The IP map I'm (slowly) making will locate you to a city, eventually. It's only been going for about 15 days atm, but we're already up at ~15-20% successful at locating cities, according to visitors :-)
/24 for the time being, although with DSL companies giving static /29's I'll probably adapt to that soon enough...
I doubt that locating to city has any privacy implications, and I'm only doing it to
Simon
Physicists get Hadrons!
Torrent of their images, data, VRML, etc.
"[A] high IQ is like a Jeep; you will still get stuck, just farther from help!" --Just d' FAQs, c.g.a
The 'You are Here' arrow?
[grin] It sort of guesses wrong on purpose if it doesn't know - my theory is that people are more likely to correct it if it's wildly wrong than slightly wrong :-)
:-)
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I'm working on the lat/long stuff this weekend, then there's a bunch of networks that can be automatically located. With this map of the net, I can start intelligently looking at IP's as well, rather than probing random ones that might not exist
Tx for the correction
Simon
Physicists get Hadrons!
What point??? While it may not pinpoint *your* location, it *does* show what provider you are connected to, and the exact location of that provider... If someone wants to find you badly enough, knowing where the provider is located is a good start... From there, the provider's records can be subpoenaed (or an employee can be bribed, etc) to determine where *you* connected to the provider.
If it is broadband, the provider knows exactly where you are. If dialup, the phone company knows where to find you...
As a woman I am betting that most of you men would still refuse to stop and ask for directions, no matter how big the map is.
I'm working on a mirror of the pretty pictures. It's available at http://leela.lasthome.net/maps/.
Only on slashdot can a posting be rated "Score -1, Insightful".
The large map is available here.
Douglas P. Price
The internet is 1-dimensional? They must be describing it metaphorically. Because it sure as hell has a geometry, and an N-dimensional geometry at that (where N is larger than 1, even if I don't know the exact value).
For example, I've experimenting with networks that have a regular geometry, where every router might have 6 links to other routers, arranged in a 3d grid type of geometry. In the logical sense, a router is certainly "to the right" of another, or "above" another. In such a network, it's easy to see that it has 3 dimensions. With the internet, the geometry is very irregular, even 'organic'.
All that said, should I Subject this post with "Fr0st t3chn1cal p0ts" ? Even an hour later, everything seems to be lame kiddy banter....
You miss the point - the system will be able to map the entire net within one 24 hour period. It will create one map per day. None of them will be very outdated. Lots can be done with this - you can check historical patterns, route changes, etc. For instance, the automated system will take the data out of the database, use a new color scheme, and show major route changes or additions each day. I think that's pretty damn cool.
/24, so your new /26 wouldn't show up in the map anyway. He's just tracerouting to each /24 on the network and stopping there.
Also, the smallest BGP route is a
Lastly, the system is using traceroute right now but will upgrade to Dan Kaminski's packetto which is much MUCH faster. Given the distributed nature of packetto, it may end up being an almost-realtime system.
I don't know about you, but I certainly see a lot more value in that than "look what I did."
heh, i have a comcast IP. i'm in NH and it says I am in Michigan.
/20 and i would do it ONCE for a large mushroom pizza.
As an aside, updating that physical location information is really easy. For instance, in north america, all our IPs are dished out by the American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN). ARIN wants any contiguous block of IPs larger than 7 to have the information filled in. if lying doesnt work (your admin figures out that you're just too far out of the way, like 2 states over) you could just bribe them. or flatter them, like "heh, wouldnt it be funny if you could update that info... hahaa too bad you cant. yeeep. cant do it. be a genius if you could though." i'm an admin for a
slashdot: where everyone yells sarcastic metaphors to themselves to understand the issue
The 1st time I encountered the internet was in the early '70s in a graduate level CS course at the University of Illinois. I remember the prof saying he had just come back from an early conference of net sites and everyone was excited because you could no longer draw the whole ARPAnet on a 3x5 index card, you now had to use an 8.5x11 piece of paper. Of course, even then the official map didn't have every site. There was a big grey box in one corner of the Center for Advanced Computation machine room that connected to the internet through U of I's router and reportedly went to some hush-hush military installation somewhere, but the map didn't show this connection at all. It was a real bulletproof router, though - made to military standards and looked like you could pound on it with a sledge as long as you wanted without causing it to drop a packet.
One of the earlier works appeared in Slashdot, for instance here in 1999. But neither that column nor this hits for me on a search for military despite the military implications.
Specifically, there was a paper about this work in the 2000 USENIX Annual Conference. It mentioned detecting a loss of network connectivity during the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia during the period of their study, something the military could use to monitor the efficiency of their campaign.
Mencken had it right. So glad that's old news.