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Phoenix Sounds Death Knell for BIOS

Anonymous Coward writes "The sky will fall next.... Betanews is carrying a story about Phoenix ditching the trusty old BIOS and moving to 'Trusted Computing'... ya right... Time to stock up on those old motherboards boys!" A follow-up/analysis on this story.

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  1. Or, buy a Mac... by EvilStein · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or buy a motherboard with a BIOS that doesn't come from Phoenix.
    Last time I checked, Phoenix wasn't the only company on Earth that made motherboard BIOS setups.

    I'm sure that something else will pop up.
    Or, another idea.. write/call/visit Phoenix and tell them that you think their idea sucks. Give their 1-800 # a call. Vote with your wallet, as usual.

    1. Re:Or, buy a Mac... by fermion · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Which is just to say that we should support open firmware. It is hackable in forth, a language that one can learn in a week or two, if you do not already know it.

      Perhaps someone will tell us what the benefits of the randomly-changeable bios are.

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      "She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
    2. Re:Or, buy a Mac... by fm6 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      And if my mother had wings, she could fly. Any MB maker that ignores Windows compatibility does so at its peril. Let's say all the manufacturers banded together and refused to do TC. You can bet somebody would seize the market opportunity that this would present, and the anti TC consortium would sink faster than the Titanic.

      Face it, Microsoft dictates what desktop hardware looks like. This is not a good thing, but it's not an easy thing to change.

  2. Re:Trust Me. by ultranova · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Since when does it make sense to switch the onus for security to hardware?

    Never, unless of course you meant security for anyone except the computers owner. Then it makes plenty of sense to make the computer a remote-controlled slave terminal...

    I wonder if the "trusted" version of Windows will be running programs for third parties, for whom Microsoft has sold their users CPU cycles ? After all, there's allready projects paying for computer time, and DRM would make this secure (impossible forge results). Why let users profit, when one can use them to profit Corporation ?

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    Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

  3. Re:LinuxBIOS by Kirill+Lokshin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The new BIOS would be rather pointless if it were easy to remove, since Phoenix wouldn't be able to (a) protect against viruses and (b) lock in users.

    I see two different ways Phoenix could go about doing this. Either all BIOS changes will come from official sources and be signed by Phoenix (with the sigs checked in hardware), or the BIOS will be completely static, and users will be forced to buy a new mobo whenever something major changes.

    Either way, I don't think you will be able to buy a board with Phoenix preloaded and just wipe it off.

  4. "Intrinsic security", eh? by Abcd1234 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When will this industry ever learn that there's no such thing as a magic bullet? Let's see, just off the top of my head, there was OOP, not to mention Extreme Programming, and now the apparent holy grail of security, "Trusted Computing".

    Well, guess what, writing high quality software is hard. Writing high quality, secure software is *really* hard. And there's nothing that will change that.

    1. Re:"Intrinsic security", eh? by jcknox · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When will the consumers learn that the reason we're being given for buying something is not always the reason it's being sold the way it is?

      Microsoft has sold the last several versions of all of its products by telling us how much more we could do with them. Truthfully, they were primarily produced to pack more cash into the MS vaults.

      Can't you hear the product development guys? They're not saying "let's put together this new trusted computing thing to make computers more secure." They're saying "let's put together a system to lock users into our stuff and get Pheonix et al to make hardware that locks out Linux. We'll call it 'trusted computing' and sell it by telling everyone it will make things more secure."

      3 steps:

      1. Make the product that helps your business

      2. Tell the consumers it will help their business

      3. Profit.

      This one really works.

  5. Re:Hmmm by Stinky+Glen20 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ok, so you, me and 10,000 other geeks will buy non-trusted computing motherboards. Meanwhile, Joe Sixpack and all his buddies ignorantly purchase millions of the "trusted" and "safe" offering.

  6. Re:Hmmm by shaitand · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And Joe sixpack and his friends are too lazy to do anything about it and too stupid to know what to do if they weren't. Joe sixpack and his friends have been having their noses rubbed in shit by our wonderful and pure democratic government and perfect serene friendly capitalism bread and butter spawned corporations for generations. They've always just rolled over and begged before... what makes you think that's going to change now?

    For hundreds of years joe sixpack and his friends have gotten weaker and weaker. The big recognizable first piece was centralized citizenship after the civil war, prior to that the only citizens of the USA lived in washington, everybody else was a citizen of their state which in turn was a member of the union.

    Next came the military, the constitution set up a division of powers, the central government was not supposed to have a standing army, that was supposed to be left to the states, while the central government maintained the navy. This wasn't random, it gave the states themselves the greatest power in domestic defense and limited the central government to only the direct military power to counter foreign foes (of course the militia's could be rallied). The air force was of course not covered in the Constitution. If you pay attention you'll notice the central government makes sure they are covered if this falls through, the navy is still the most highly funded of the forces, having within it all 3 types of armed forces. The Marines for instance are really just a subset of the Navy. The Navy's air power and number of craft are almost as extensive as the air force itself. And I guess it goes without saying, the navy of course has a navy ;)

    Now after centralizing authority and military power the government then started disarming the citizens. Deciding to do no more than pay lip service to the 2nd amendment (after all the government certainly doesn't feel people might need arms to overthrow it like the forefathers who had to do just that did when they put it in!). Now guns are being taken away, the classes of arms available to citizens has been reduced and reduced, arms are VERY closely watched by our police state.

    Since these things became stronger, than the last significant threat (assault riffles) has been removed from citizens hands, the government has proceeded to clench down. Showing it's force in foreign countries (iraq for instance), using "Terrorism" which was likely at least inadvertantly funded by our own CIA as an excuse to give federal agents more and more authority to lock down and control the population.

    Now to ensure Joe sixpack complies with all this they have been brainwashing him in school. School curriculum's are of course regulated by the state. They have to be in accordance with state tests, if you've noticed the state regulations tend to be most specific in matters of US History, where the government makes sure that text books and tests teach the materials in it's own interpretation of history. The interpretation that paints a picture of country being oppressed and fighting the good fight for independence. Supporting the common man etc etc etc. Rather than the truth, a bunch of rich men, did not like paying taxes and did not like the fact that england had given trade monopolies to rich men in england instead of them. Well over 80% of the population were loyal to the crown, more than that before war happened an innocents were caught in the crossfire. The enlistments in that war and pretty much every patriotic cause thereafter have been founded on a grain of truth buried in a stack of propoganda.

    Our government lies to us and herds of us like sheep. It teaches us a revised history in school. It teaches conformity in school. Picture our children being stamped one by one in a great convoluted Jello mold. It convinces us to give up our liberties one piece at a time. It okay to whine about one piece or another, but it happens so often on such a regular basis nowdays we hardly remember what

  7. Re:Trust Me. by Rick.C · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Let's all repeat in unison:

    "'Trustworthy computing' means that Microsoft can trust that we didn't hack our (their) system. It doesn't mean that we can trust Microsoft."

    Keep saying it until it makes sense.
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    You were 80% angel, 10% demon. The rest was hard to explain. - Over The Rhine
    "Math in a song is good."-Linford