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Maine to Launch Internet Sex-Offender Registry
scubacuda writes "On Monday, Maine Today reports that officials plan to put info about the states 1,200 registered sex offenders on the Internet to allow residents to easily determine if a convicted offender lives in their neighborhood. Some jurisdictions - including Portland, South Portland, Saco and Kennebec County - already post sex-offender information on the Internet. But the new site will cover *all* sex offenders registered in Maine, and will include their names, ages and birth dates, where they live, where they work or attend school, and which offense they were convicted of. Photographs will soon be posted, as well."
Someone commits one offence and for the rest of their lives their life isnt the public's hands? I guess if you can't do the time don't do the crime, but still...
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So who wants to start a pool on when the first sex offender will be lynched?
The Right Reverend K. Reid Wightman,
Whilst I guess that the people doing this will counter with "you give up your rights when you take it upon yourself to play with little kids bottoms", it kinda flies right in the face of concepts of rehabilitation, etc. Does the status of 'sex offender' have a timeout, or is it a lifetime thing, once convicted?
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I don't think it's such a good idea. You got nutters out there bombing doctors of abortion clinics, I'm sure there are loonies out there who wouldn't mind killing convicted sex offenders. Afterall they _did_ the time, and I don't think it will give people who really _do_ want to better their lives a fair deal.
Also it gives people a false sense of security.. Who's to say that a registered sex offender doesn't take a weekend holiday to another state to rape and kill? And you thought you were safe in a neighbourhood without any sex offenders..
Isn't anyone worried about vigilantes using this information to track down and assault these offenders (regardless if it's merited)?
...you'll get a most sincere policy about having your life ruined.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
It's sad that the authorities try and dress this up as somehow good - when the real motivation behind it is disgraceful.
Standard disclaimer: sex offenders deserve whatever punishment the law deems fit. But, and this is what is forgotten, IF the authorities deem them fit to be released from custody, then it's because (or should be because) they are no longer a threat. If they are a threat, then keep them incarcerated. Don't let them out and then pretend it's OK to publish their name, address, etc. It's hypocritical.
And why stop at sex offenders? Say I have no kids, but an expensive car? Shouldn't I be able to know that the guy next door was convicted of stealing cars? I'm not equating car theft with sex offences, but I do believe that the law should treat all people equally.
If a sex offender ia a threat, keep the bastard in jail. Don't let him out and think that by posting his details on the internet that all will be well. All it does is victimize reformed offenders (who do exist...) and encourage vigilantes - neither of these is good.
I hope the state of Maine also doubled the size of their Information Security department, as this will be a prime target for malicious hackers.
Don't like someone? Just add them to the database and get the word out. They're ruined. This is new, uncharted, and dangerous territory, Maine.
RD
Without commenting specifically on whether or not this is appropriate, consider that we don't go to this sort of length in response to a murder conviction.
"You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help" -- Calvin
These registries have the potential to ruin people who should never have been marked to begin with. While many sexual predators probably deserve such a punishment, what about the teens who are convicted "sex offenders" simply because their (consenting) girlfriend's parents found out about the level of intimacy in the relationship, and pressed charges (against the wishes of the girl)? I know it sounds farfetched, but every so often you hear of these cases which, on an ethical and moral basis should never go to trial, but because of the wishes of the parents, results in a permanent black mark on the young man's record.
There's sex offenders and then there's sex offenders. I have no problem with a guilty as sin child sodomizer being plastered all over this thing. But you also hear of 17 year olds being charged by overzealous DAs for being with their 16 year old girlfriends. Such "offenders" will be lumped in with the child fuckers and corpse zombies.
This thing doesn't sound it recognizes there are levels of sex offense.
This is a good thing. Sexual Predators are the ones least likely to change their ways. Some (me included) believe that rape is far worse than murder. And the chances are, they will do it again and again. It's also probably one of the least reported crimes because it makes the victim a *real* victim.
Ok, this is NOT a defense of sex offenders, but we should consider that everyone who has been convicted of a "sex offense" might not be the evil, child-molesting 70-year-old priest we all think they are.
Remember, if an 18 year old (high school senior) sleeps with his 16 year old girlfriend (high school sophomore) and happens to get caught, he could be labeled a sex offender.
How'd you like to have your picture posted on the web and have everyone know your life's details for eternity because you were a horny high school kid who did what scores of horny high school kids around the world do? Do you think the public is going to say "oh, well, he's the OK kind of sex offender...no worries"?
I grew up in Maine. The state is really, really small. I live in New York now, and anytime I meet someone from Maine, I find that I'm normally connected to them by 1 degree of separation. I also grew up in a small town. News there travels very, very fast. (I was 11 years old and I gave a kid the finger as I got off a school bus... my mother knew about it when I walked in the door 15 minutes later). It does not matter if the news is true, either. Once a piece of gossip gets out, it spreads faster than a celebrity sex video on the internet. Although I am a big advocate for privacy, I think this might in same cases help the sex offenders. If their crimes are easily accessible to the public, it helps stop the wild stories that could evolve around them. Yes, what these people were convicted of is TERRIBLE, but it's nothing compared to what a town full of gossipers can do with a nugget of near-truth. Living as a convicted sex offender is a difficult thing, but hopefully this will keep some of the smaller towns in Maine in perspective so that these individuals can be reintroduced to society. The above is a very weighted statement. I seriously welcome varying viewpoints, but please don't flame me for being open minded.
No, it isn't terrible. It's simply providing greater public access to public information. Part of the penalty for being a criminal is lugging around that label for the rest of your life.
No guarantees can be offered that any given sexual predator will not strike again. While there's also no guarantee that any convicted criminal-- for example, a bank robber -- won't strike again, few of us live in a bank, but most of us live in a house with children.
Bottom line: If your children lived next door to a convicted pedophile, why wouldn't you want to know?
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I recall that when this sort of thing first appeared in the states, the databases were hosted on NT4/IIS4 systems that were unpatched and vulnerable to the RDS database attack.
Basically anyone with rudimentary knowledge that was freely available on the net at the time could feasibly insert new records into the database.
Couple this with the fact that vigilantes DO exist out there and DO kill sex offenders, this is downright irresponsible and dangerous. If these people are a danger keep them locked up - don't encourage violence.
Of course innocent people can get caught up in this and they have no recourse.
In Texas, from 1999, from
DALLAS (AP) -- Faced with a choice between convicts' privacy and the public's right to know about sex offenders, the Texas Legislature sided with the latter.
The decision cost Thinh Pham his front teeth. Now he fears leaving his home.
The 27-year-old Vietnamese refugee was attacked by four men who thought he was a sex offender because his address was listed on the state's Internet registry. But the address was that of a sex-offender who hadn't lived at the home for months.
The vigilante beating came in September, three weeks after the effective date of a new state law mandating more detailed sex-offender information be posted on a Department of Public Safety website. Previously, the state released only block numbers and ZIP codes of sex offenders.
Supporters of the measure said it would help parents protect their children from sex offenders living in their neighborhoods.
But Pham's case raises questions about the state's ability to verify the accuracy of such a vast and detailed database. Top law-enforcement officials acknowledge they have little idea how much of the registry is accurate.
While most of the time I tend to agree with the liberal pro-privacy posts we see on Slashdot, I think this is one case where there's justification for privacy invasion. It's restricted only to those who have committed the crime (a common complaint here is that most recent privacy invasions happen to everyone, including the by-and-large innocent public, and thus violate presumption of innocence), and it's got a built-in expiry for the truly reformed.
Just their name, photo, crime, and life history?
.. oh let me think .. oh yeh, the names of their sibblings, in case "sex crimes" is a genetic problem, and ..
Why not post their daily movements as tracked by their mobile phone? or insert a tag into them if they have no phone. People deserve to know the every movement of these ever-guilty people. This is reasonable because no court case has ever been incorrect.
And phone records too. That should be public.
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Consider also qualifies you as a sex offender in Maine. For instance, if you're a 16-year-old boy who makes out with a 13-year-old girl and you get caught, you're a sex offender; your name and photo goes up on the site.
This all started when a neighbor raped and killed a little girl, and so we created the label of sex offender as a way of categorizing such people, but it's barely been ten years and already we're rounding up all kinds of people who don't come anywhere close to this kind of offense and branding them monsters.
Is this truly the only Earth I can live on?
And what better way to say, "I need a new ID" than with the gift of a name, birthdate, address, and other personal information of a convicted felon.
I mean, who'd believe them anyway?
I'm all for sex offender registries, but I think a 'need to know' attitude should be adopted. I don't need to know the sex offenders in the next city, nevermind a completely seperate state, unless I'm visiting for an extended stay with my children, in which case those I am visiting, or the resorts/theme parks, will have access to that information.
Don't make it so easy to abuse, but don't make it so hard that it's not worth the effort for the worrywarts.
-Adam
But what do you need jails for then anyway? Those people are punished for the rest of their lives..
"It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful." - Anton LaVey
The biggest problem with "sex crimes", specifically when it comes to pedophilia and statuatory rape, is the shame that the victim carries around with him/her. I've dated a few women who have been sexually abused by people in their family and parents' friends. It's totally sick, but they would never turn in the perpetrator, so they live with this shame and it results in distrust and dysfunction in every aspect of their lives.
Enforcement is important, but it's more important to talk about these crimes and encourage people to not feel shame if they've been a victim, seek professional help and deal with it. There are too many people who hide away with these dark secrets and the damage done after the fact makes the original action pale in comparison. Databases, tracking and harsher penalties will never help heal the damage done, which is a critical aspect of these crimes that needs to be brought to the forefront.
The idea of prison sentences is to give a punishment , telling the offender why he should better try leading a normal life.
Making a normal life permanently impossible in this manner makes the notion of a prison sentence a mockery.
If you don't want a person to be able to lead a normal life anymore, and are going to punish him for life, you could equally well kill him in the first place. A bit over the top for, say, showing a spiteful public servant your behind, but better safe than sorry, right?
Reminds me of a story here in the NYC area about a year ago, about a New Jersey guy who raped and killed a 12 year old girl in 1985 and is having a tough time reassimilating with the community upon his recent release. The report kept discussing the harassment this guy was facing by the locals and how he can't get a break. But not once did the report ask the question I couldn't stop wondering - "WHY THE HELL IS THIS GUY OUT OF JAIL?!?!?!?!" There's something wrong with the criminal justice system, at least in the Northeast. Last I checked, the girl is still dead, so why is this guy walking the streets in the first place? And why is the news trying to shore up sympathy for this guy????
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That's more of a reason to repleal retarded sex laws than anything else.
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
That's a very wise decision. I'm sure that sex offenders A. Congregate in the same area(s) B. Do not drive, run, walk, take the bus, or hang glide to other locations C. Molest those people who are closest to them. Gee whiz, you're a smart nut. On top of that, you bought into all of the media created hype. Congratulations on being a good, law-abiding, non-thinking citizen-drone.
Isn't that the case with almost all crimes though ? Car theft, violent gang members, etc ? Don't we have the right to know about them too ?
-- Multics
Without commenting specifically on whether or not this is appropriate, consider that we don't go to this sort of length in response to a murder conviction.
You are entirely correct. Curious, isn't it? We don't publish a registry of convicted murderers. We don't publish registries of convicted rapists, or convicted bank robbers. These are all categories of criminals much more dangerous to the general public than pedophiles, yet it is pedophiles who find their names, photos, and personal information posted on the internet.
Of course, this will only work for so long as laws requiring convicted pedophiles -- even those who have served their time and theoretically owe no burden to the State -- to provide their names and contact information to local authorities are ruthlessly enforced.
Any such system will inevitably see mission creep. Why NOT list people convicted of other serious crimes? Makes sense, doesn't it? After all, that information is public record anyway, right?
While we are at it, it makes sense that we should post information about people suspected but not convicted of crimes. After all, there's no criminal penalty here. It is just information. No worse than the rumor-mill, right? And it advances the public safety. We will limit it to those suspected of serious crimes and, yes, terrorism. Besides, in the United States, we let judges use crimes of which a defendant has been accused but not convicted in considering what punishment is appropriate when a criminal defendant has reached the sentencing stage. Why should the judges be the only ones who know?
It is just information right? And we should let information be free.
Such as information about the political groups and associations of ordinary citizens. Are you a member of a political group with radical ideas? We know now that groups like that are potentially dangerous. They produce people like Timothy McVeigh. Nobody says you can't be a member of the group; we are just saying you can't keep it a secret. Hey, we have hood laws across the South already. We have laws against secret political societies. So this is just a logical next step. Post that information. No harm, no foul, right?
Palestinians and Muslims are risky too. No harm in posting information about them. Honest people have nothing to fear when their privacy is compromised, right?
Samuel Johnson once said that patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels. The protection of children has become the last refuge of fascisti. It has been the "wedge issue" used to justify sweeping restrictions on internet access in public libraries (gotta stop that child porn), an oppressive IV-D child support collection apparatus (gotta get them deadbeat dads), and any number of "public safety" statutes, which have used the safety and protection of children as a tool to build a system of social and legal controls that could easily be used for any other purpose, and which create a mindset of submission that would welcome additional restrictions for "good" purposes.
I take literally the idea that in order to protect all of us, we must protect the most unworthy among us. A convicted child molester who has served his (or more rarely her) time and whom the state has chosen to release has that most ancient of rights recognized in Anglo-American law -- the right to be left alone. That means that using public funds to create public registries containing their personal information, thus giving them a pariah status that directly contradicts the clear language and intent of the 8th Amendment's prohibition on cruel and unusual punishments, not to mention common sense, is wrong.
I fully expect someone to respond to this message with some screed about how precious children are, and how their cousin was molested, and how would you like it if someone molested YOUR kid. Know what? That's all completely beside the point. The issue is freedom and liberty, not crime. Restraints on freedom and invasions of privacy in the name
Considering that "Statistics show that anywhere from 75-92% of all child sexual abusers - abuse family and friends children " according to http://www.beachildshero.com/neighbor.htm I'd say he'd better not live anywhere near his family or friends.
The registry protects kids and only prevents them from getting jobs that involve kids.
And this is only done for sex crimes. Especially one's against children.
And besides, companies already can find out if you've been convicted of a felony which a sex crime is.
People need to get over the fact that some actions prevent you from being a "normal" member of society. When you abuse children in such a way you've just earned the distrust of society and it will rightfully take a very long time to earn that trust back. And there's no reason for society as a whole to trust you.
If some people refuse to ever trust you again, tough. Find people that do and make damn sure you never break that trust again.
Ben
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Im hoping that Americans arnt as dumb as certain British people but they might want to explain in a little foot-note that "pediatrician" is not the same as "pediophile", that should avoid the odd doctor getting beaten up.
This really is a stupid idea thats going to cause allot of vigilante violence and not even to the offenders, it wont take more than a month before someone is mistaken.
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This way they still have a life and can atone for their offenses.
Better to have them registered like this than dying in jail, since child molesters have a very short life expectancy in the general prison population.
There is honor among thieves to a point, a social pecking order with the sex offenders on the bottom of the list; and pedophiles simply not tolerated.
No matter what you think of Michael Jackson, that is one reason they granted him bail. It would not be politically correct to have him killed before he had a chance to have a fair trial.
-Southpark Episode 611
In the UK there was a campaign for a "Sarah's Law" (in reference to the Sarah Payne abduction around Y2k), mostly spearheaded by the News Of The World newspaper (The Daily Mail with porn basically). Said paper even went as far as listing the names of some 100 registered sex offenders, which led to vigilante attacks on people who merely looked like those printed. This move drew widespread condemnation from everyone with a semblance of sanity.
Thank the holy lord Jesus Christ that the law never became legislature.
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Well it's nice we've decided to ignore the whole "paid their debt to society" nonsense and are branding these people for life.
But since it's a very social repellent crime it's ok.
You "know" they're most likely to re-offend? Unless they're insane (in which case they should be confined to a mental hospital), why would they be. Either way, please let us know why you believe this.
But let's just say you got your wish. You can look up information on anyone who's ever commited any kind of crime, including their picture, home address, work address, ect. What exactly do you picture doing with that information that would make you safer? Would you "run them out of town"? If so, you'd better first make sure that you're better at it then the guys who live next to criminals in the next town who'll be trying to do the same thing. Would you contact them somehow and say, "Hey, I know what you've done. And if anyone does that around here I'm coming after you first!"? Well, even if that didn't result in you getting into a fight (in which case YOUR picture, address, and employer would be on the Internet because you'd be guilty of assault), it's not like the police don't already look at known criminals first when pursuing a new crime. Would you, if you found out you had a convicted criminal next door, go out and buy extra locks, maybe install some sort of alarm system? Well, only the dumbest and laziest criminal in the world is going to commit a crime they got convicted of, at the house next door. The vast majority of them are at least smart enough to go to a different neighbourhood. And not just to avoid being the first and most obvious suspect, but also because ex-cons don't tend to be able to afford to live in the types of neighbourhoods they'd want to steal things from.
So where's the benefit of such registries? There's nothing sensible you can do in response to discovering a criminal living in your neighbourhood, that wouldn't be sensible if there wasn't one there. And there's nothing you can do to the ex-con themself that would deter them from victimizing you anymore than the records they know the police have. Unless you'd be willing to go so far to deter them they you yourself would wind up on the list of "known criminals".
If you want to be safe, take reasonable precautions against crime. If you have any energy left over, drive more carefully and take good care of your health (you're far more likely to die from sickness or an accident than from an avoidable crime).
But if you want to scare the snot out of yourself, and put ex-cons in hostile and desparate positions, then by all means, start a registry.
But Pham's case raises questions about the state's ability to verify the accuracy of such a vast and detailed database.
Yeah, there wouldn't be any problem at all if they just kept the record accurate. Yep, there's no problem if a bunch of violent drunk yahoos run around beating the crap out of people so long as they get the right address. [sarcasm]
P.S. The full article can be found here.
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What the sex registries are saying is that crimes involving your genitals are intrinsically worse than murder except in those cases where murder draws the death penalty, since even a murderer that is released after serving multiple life sentences doesn't have to inform his neighbors. Worse, there is a blind equality to sex offense registries that are simply lists. The offender who was eighteen and had the fourteen year old girlfriend whose parents called him on the statutory rape charges (or sexual assault on a minor, depending on what state you live in) is listed right there with the serial rapist who was screwing all the first graders on their bus for five years.
I'd be fine with the thought that they'd just take everyone found guilty of sex offenses and shoot them in the back of the prison. They won't though, because they've an inkling that errors can be made in any sort of criminal case. Errors in most criminal cases naturally fix themselves after time, the criminals get out of jail and can live more or less normal lives. Removing the justice system from the picture and encouraging vigilante activism like the sex offender registries do is mind-boggling though, not only is our justice system set up so that guilt must be proven and not innocence it also assumes a sort of natural state of innocence returns to EVERY OTHER SORT OF CRIMINAL. This is obviously not the case, otherwise we wouldn't need three strikes laws and similar mechanisms to defeat repeat criminals. Why don't we have 'two strike" registries? Murderer registries? Heroin addict registries?
We might, but people don't find those crimes as sensationalized in their minds as rape. I imagine some people might rather have Ted Bundy and Charlie Manson over for dinner than a rapist, that doesn't track in the human cost scenario to me but I understand it would happen. I've had to deal with enough rape victims now though that I'm pretty sure that however fucked up the rape made them I'd still rather not have traded the rape for a corpse. You don't always, but can, get over rape. That means that there's something seriously fucked up with having sex offense registries and not murderer registries. But if we allowed TWO registries, then in ten years we'd have twelve registries and people who got caught a decade ago smoking a joint would be burned alive by their neighbors for being filthy drug dealers.
Laws and government follow an ethical gravity, given a chance to they tend to want to flow into a natural state of totalitariansim because of the perfect order. That's why people like me are always bitching about the slippery slope. If you want sex offenders ass-raped for punishment, then make sure that it's part of the sentence. I'd certainly rather have a precise extreme punishment dealt by the state (since thanks to the death penalty, extreme punishment really should include an awful lot) than trust the fringe elements of the public to make uninformed illegal punishments on people thanks to some sort of tacit governmental sanction.
Storing pot smokers, apparently.
I'm a 21 year old guy on the Michigan sex offender registry for life because I was going to meet a 15 year old that told me she was 16 (legal age of consent in MI) at first. After we talked for a few months we decided to meet and my exact words on the phone to "her" were "We can do whatever you want".
Her ended up being a very middle aged he, that's a cop. I ended up getting charged with 3 felonies 2 of them carrying a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison. If Michael Jackson is convicted of molesting that kid he faces and absolute maximum of SIX years in prison. I had no prior record and there was no victim.
10,000 dollars later for a lawyer I ended plea bargaining down to a year on electronic monitoring and 3 years probation and registering for life on the sex offender registry. Even thou the whole time everyone was telling me it was entrapment but my lawyer was very weary to taking it to trial because its a sex crime and its hard as hell to get juries to not convict on something like that.
The way our system is set up is to stack so many charges against you that you are overwhelmed and even thou you and everyone around you know you are innocent of the stuff they are charging you with you have to take a plea barging for risk of losing 40-50 years of your life in some shithole prison.
This case has taken a serious toll on me emotionally, physically, and financially. Someone at work found my name on the list and luckily I had already explained my mangers and had been having consoling sessions with our workplace mental health people so I was able to keep my job. However I am still and emotional wreak, I am even more shy then I was before. I am terrified of trying to meet anyone I might actually really like for fear of what would happen when I would have to eventually tell her about this. I have no motivation in life because I know realistically that I will never find another job as long as this list exists. I have put on almost 100 lbs in less then 15 months. I'm out almost 20 thousand dollars in court costs and lawyer fees.
In Michigan there is an 18 year old kid that has to register on the sex offender registry for 20 years because he slapped another kid in the locker room with his penis. There is also a forty something guy that has to register for the rest of his life because he had a little to much to drink and grabbed a waitresses breast at a bar. Not everything is near as cut and dry as people would like you to believe.
The bottom line is this list is not set up so that the people that need to be watched are being watched, it is set up so that just about anyone can end up on it for doing something stupid once.
Luckily some strong forces in Michigan have realized exactly what this list is and are starting to fight it. It may be to late for me but hopefully none of you will have to get a call from your kid at midnight after the police have rummaged thru your kids bedroom without even allowing him so much as a phone call before going there to have your parents ready for them.
Sorry about my spelling and grammar this is very hard for me to talk about.
Since your post is very on-topic... here's five questions
1. Who was the instigating party for the meeting ?
2. What reason did they bring forth to justify the meeting
3. What was discussed at that meeting ?
4. What was the general 'mood' at that meeting ?
5. What, if any, steps were taken as a result of that meeting ?
"But the address was that of a sex-offender who hadn't lived at the home for months."
Now here's a question: Would it be "OK" if the vigilantes pounded the face of the person they were trying to get?
Kinda makes you wonder where the line between this and the so-called Nuremberg List is drawn.
However, the simple fact that children aren't created equal is ALSO already recognized under the law. Some children become magically transformed into adults by the justice system by the heinousness of their crimes, just like a child can go from state to state and magically gain or lose the ability to sign contracts or get married. With all these sorts of distinctions made unevenly from state to state and jury to jury, it's hard to see how a simple list of names without distinction serves any real purpose of the judicial system.
So, it remains as the only solution to why the things exist as some sort of placating gesture to appease the masses. Bread and circuses, with whatever positive benefit gained by informing citizens of the potential child molester moving into their midsts weighed against the negative possibilities of tacitly encouraging people to become criminals themselves in response to the sex offenders who may or not be child molesters (depending on the definitions used in the sex offense registry of the state). The fact of the matter is, the registries aren't defined as how the punishment is doled out. Perhaps if we defined the registries more thoroughly and removed the protection of law for the offenders it would make some sense. We could release the prisoners into society with the assumption that the greater weight of the sentencing was still awaiting them in a vengeful and legally righteous society. As offenders left prisons we could have school children wait outside the gates and stone them to death or something, as a learning device to teach them morality.
I'd have rather that if we were making these sorts of lists that we simply handed them out to an agency of some sort that was designed to deal with these special sorts of criminals, some subset of the parole board probably. I'd be just as happy to have my children protected by people trained to do so than the masses who learn their brand of morality from Hollywood. Furthermore, when teaching my children about my country I'd rather not have to explain things like unequal protection of the law or why I didn't ever want them throwing stones at people just because they turned up on a list published by bureaucrats.
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Expose everyone who's ever had any brush with justice at all, so they can't get any job at all. Then, without job and without a life they'll
... euhm ... cut off every legal option for a life they have and they'll ... get out and die ?
Nope, many of them give up and commit another crime to get put back in prison. Sometimes they do it because they miss prison (after all, they are fed and sheltered there), others do it because despite their best attempts to start a new honest life, they're met at every turn with roadblocks put up by the state/feds/etc.I greatly admire those that perservere and manage to finally succeed, but it's not right. I know of a person who ended up serving time due to drug posession. He wasn't a drug user, he just ended up in the wrong place at the wrong time. (IIRC, he was driving some friends who had drugs on them, that he didn't know about, and one of those random roadblocks stopped them. Since he was the drive/owner of the car, he was considered guilty as well.) He's a well educated guy, has a degree, but can't use it. He was unable to get a job after getting out of jail because of the conviction. He was finally given a break by someone and makes his living painting houses nowadays, making only a fraction of what he'd make in his chosen field.
Now tell me, do you think that he got any real justice? He served his time for a crime he didn't commit, then had to give up his career and education in order to make a life. Personally I've always thought that he's the poster child for all that's wrong with the justice system. I also know someone else who had an even worse experience. having their life totally destroyed just because of a looney person's false accusations. Turns out the feds don't bother to check facts on many (maybe all?) reports in highly publicized cases where they have no leads. They also won't admit they made mistakes, leaving innocent victems in their wake.
Face it folks, things like sex offender registries don't help out innocent citizens, they just propogate false security, destroy the chances of rehabilitaed criminals being able to start a new life and stay out of crime, and completely kick the innocents who were falsely convicted in the balls.
That isn't justice, at least not anything I consider just.
From my own rant page (seems we had a similar thought):
6.18.01 Corpus Christi Texas is now placing "DANGER" signs on the homes and vehicles of some "sex offenders" (without much regard for whether the offense was a genuinely predatory abuse or a chance encounter with a consenting but underage girl). Does anyone else hear an echo of those signs warning "JEW" in Nazi Germany??
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
Oral sex is still outlawed in some states. If caught, you would be a sex offender.
Funny story about "sex crimes": a month or so ago in Singapore, a security guard was sent to prison for two years. He had paid a sixteen year old girl money to give him a hummer.
No, he's not a sex criminal because of the underage prostitution he paid for. Prostiution is legal, so's a consenting 16 year old.
He's in prison because oral sex is a federal crime in Singapore.
People are absolutely insane on the subject of sex.
Now I completely believe that America is going overboard on this "sex crimes" crap. It is not only stupid but unconstitutional to mark people on a sex offender list for life for a crime. However, your story has problems:
1) ADAs do not determine admissibility of evidence. That is up to a judge. If either side attempts to enter something into evidence and the other side objects on certian grounds, the judge may rule it inadmissable. However neither side may force the other side to not present evidence. Only a judge determines what may be presented in a case. Also it is very difficult to rule defense evidence inadmissable. The defense may present almost any evidence to create resonable doubt. The prosecution, on the other hand, is highly limited. Any evidence obtained without proper warrant, among other things, is inadmissable.
2) You may subpoena witnesses in your defense, including the victim. That the prosecution did not call her is not relivant. You may subpoena her and force her to testify. It's one of the cornerstones of the adversarial system. While she might not say what you want, you can put her on the stand for questioning.
So, there is one of two things going on here. Either you got SERIOUSLY railroaded, in which case I suggest you appeal you case, and seek civil action against thr state and perhaps your lawyer, since clearly there was some gross problems here. Or, you are feeding us a fairy tale, where part or all of what you've related is false.