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Ultimate Baseball Online - Rise Of The MMOSG?

Cobol Junky writes "Ultimate Baseball Online, a game claiming to be the first MMOSG (massively multiplayer online sports game) has recently transitioned into free Beta status. Each player's character takes a position on the baseball field, and can improve their skills and stats by gaining experience, just like a regular MMORPG. UBO is being created by NetAmin, the creators of an scrapped MMORPG called Fallen Age." This title has been in development for a while, and a GameSpot preview reveals more, but what other genres will get tarred by the massively multiplayer brush before long?

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  1. Monthly Fees! by Naffer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Honestly, I hope they start charging monthly fees for this! I don't think enough games charge monthly fees! Maybe we can get people to charge monthly fees for offline games too!

    Seriously, I don't see enough of a market to justify a full scale MMO game. People log on and play everquest like there's nothing better in the world, but I have a hard time beliving that the type of people willing to play sports games would be dedicated enough to play them in an MMO format (which inevitably means monthly fees)

    1. Re:Monthly Fees! by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 5, Interesting

      EA are heading toward a fee based system. If what I read is true, their matchmaking service, in NHL 2k4, you only get it for 3 months, then you gotta pay.

      I first read about UBO 2 years ago. It's been in beta for a while, and has been massively delayed, but I think it has great potential. There's a Japanese soccer game called Libero Grande where you can play as just one player on the field. It's a unique experience that is very rare. Being able to be just ONE player on a team... I think the idea has legs. As a baseball fan, I'm interested.

      The article I read years ago said players have virtual DNA, meaning you could be a future hall of famer, or you could be a minor league reject. It's not entirely within your control, just like life. Interesting concept.

    2. Re:Monthly Fees! by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      yeah.. but if you play against 10 other real people on a just randomly organized game..
      what are the chances that somebody just decides to fuck it up or leave just in middle of a homerun.

      sure pre-organized games could go a lot better, but for the casual play that leads into you getting into some organized team and long time playing you'll need to have some fun on your own.

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    3. Re:Monthly Fees! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what are the chances that somebody just decides to fuck it up or leave just in middle of a homerun.

      That is why they absolutely have to implement team killing.

    4. Re:Monthly Fees! by ph43thon · · Score: 1

      Are you joking? Sports nut, ESPN addicted folks would not want to play their favorite position on some online sports game? My guess is that many sports fans are really into competition (hmm, could this be true?).. and what's more fun that smoking the computer? Smoking another person. To top it off.. people get to specialize and focus on the particulars that interest them instead of focusing on every last detail. You get to have leaderboards with all these amazing statistical categories.. sacks, tackles, pass completion, home runs, stolen bases, ERAs.. Sports (as a singular monolithic concept) is perfect for this kind of thing. And, then people can organize into teams and play others.. this is worth the money so much more than the more ephemeral type games. In an online sports game, there is specific structure and easily quantifiable goals. The only thing slowing it down is the difficulty in appropriately coding a game of this nature (I assume.)

      I'd pay $10 a month to play an online hockey game where I could organize into a team with other players and beat up on other people.. and I don't even watch sports on television.


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  2. Nothing Special by illuminata · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It looks to me as if they're taking features that have been around in sports games for quite some time in single player mode and putting them online.

    Still, the game doesn't look all too good, and I fail to see exactly what makes this massively multiplayer. From what I can tell, you're still constrained to the field area. You can't roam the land trying to wrangle up teammates to find the perfect ballpark to call your own. Hell, there's even a player lobby, just like normal multiplayer games. To me, calling this game an MMO title is nothing but marketing babble for a crappy sports game without any professional licenses.

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    1. Re:Nothing Special by Kleedrac2 · · Score: 1

      IMHO I would think this is MMO because unlike most Multiplayer Sports games, you upgrade, level up, gain new skills, etc. OK, mebbe they should have kept the RPG and not the MMO but that's just semantics isn't it?

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    2. Re:Nothing Special by bmorton · · Score: 1

      Upgrading, leveling up and gaining new skills doesn't make something Massively Multiplayer.

      If that were the case, I've been playing MMORPG's since 1987 or '88.

    3. Re:Nothing Special by illuminata · · Score: 0

      I'm not so sure if it's just semantics considering that MMO and RPG do mean two very different things. The features like the ones you've mentioned have already been around for quite some time in sports games, just never put online or used in such RPG-ish terms, at least to my knowledge.

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    4. Re:Nothing Special by crazyfreakid · · Score: 1

      It is a MMOG because all information goes trhough the company's servers. Normal sports games, when played online, are hosted by one of the players, not the company that made the game. Hence the requiring of monthly fees and such.

  3. MMO is way overblown by 0x0d0a · · Score: 2, Insightful

    MMO is waaay overblown. Simple reason. There just aren't enough players. MMOGs take time to play. There just aren't enough people willing to devote a significant enough chunk of their life to a game. There are some, and they were enough to keep Ultima Online flush with players. There were even enough for Everquest as well. But there are now MMOGs coming out at an incredible clip, which keeps fragmenting the customers base further, and reducing the value of other competitors in the field. MMOGs are flopping left and right, and still publishers frantic for a pirate-resistant subscription model try to start new MMOGs.

    1. Re:MMO is way overblown by cgenman · · Score: 1

      There aren't enough players for baseball? Sports games stealing from Everquest?

      MMOG is not a genre. MMOG is a way of altering / improving a type of game. A Massively Multiplayer Street Fighter would draw the types of players that normally play Street Fighter games, not necessarily introducing RPG players to a different genre. MMP sports games are drawing from the Madden crowd... the 10% of people whose love for sports is matched by a love for fast internet connections.

      Would a MMP sports game take longer to play than a regular sports game? I tend to doubt it. Unlike a regular sports game, you could have a robot "feature," whereby your character is relieved by a stand-in when you have to go, and whose stand-in can be relieved by someone else. 3 full games a week is comparable to what most people in softball leagues play, and fewer than what most Red Socks fans watch. And what is to prevent you from not playing for a month?

      On the other hand, I remember how boring Baseball was to play. I guess it does have some things in common with Everquest. Still, MMP racing games, basketball games, or soccer would probably be fun. I can't wait until the MMP bookies start opening up.

  4. Awesome! by Jeneaux · · Score: 1

    This is great, MMORPGs bore me to tears! (Yes, I have tried plenty) Ive been waiting for something MMO-ish, but not in the usual Everquest/DAoC/Diablo 2 vein. This game sounds like it has lots of potential. Currently downloading, will know how good it is in about one hour or so :)

    1. Re:Awesome! by rhild · · Score: 1

      It seems to me many baseball fans would be more into being the manager of the team than a player. Being able to create a lineup, and 'strategize' during the game e.g. control when to bunt, hit-and-run, move around the fielders, etc.

      This stuff is a huge part of the game for real fans. I couldn't tell from a quick read of the review whether the game includes this sort of role.

      Jeneaux, after you get it running let us know if it includes anything like this.

    2. Re:Awesome! by Golias · · Score: 1
      It seems to me many baseball fans would be more into being the manager of the team than a player. Being able to create a lineup, and 'strategize' during the game e.g. control when to bunt, hit-and-run, move around the fielders, etc.

      A lot of strategy goes on for individual players, too. A good second-baseman knows where to stand based on the tendencies of the batter and the types of pitches his current pitcher likes to throw. (If he knows the catcher's signals, he can also mentally prepare for a grounder vs. a pop-up, etc.) He also covers first on the bunt in some situations, sometiems covers second on the steal, but sometimes lets the shortstop get it and backs it up, etc. There's a lot to think about if you want to play at even a slight level above your church-league slow-pitch softball team.

      Even the catcher, who doesn't look like he's doing much, gets to call pitches. A catcher who really knows the opposing batters gives his team a big edge.

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    3. Re:Awesome! by crazyfreakid · · Score: 1

      I totally dissagree. Many baseball fans enjoy the sport not because of the strategy, but because they see amazing players doing amazing things (with a little help from their friendly pharmacist, but that's another issue). Imitation is a big drive for many gamers. Not to mention individual fame, especially in MMOGs.

  5. Hop off the bandwagon, sheep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's become fashionable to bash MMO's and just declare them the CB Radio of gaming, but this sounds fun and seems like a good idea. Controlling a whole team vs another guy controlling a whole team is an abstraction, this is truly a sports simulator, with team dynamics and personalities playing a huge role. Maybe the fat kids in school will get a little redemption.

    1. Re:Hop off the bandwagon, sheep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Once upon a time, baseball was the one sport where the fat kids could get redemption. If you hit the ball far enough, you have plenty of time to round the bases.

      Now the fat kids are all faceless offensive linemen on the football team. They get letter jackets, but hardly anybody knows their names.

  6. It's about time for this genre to branch out... by Decaffeinated+Jedi · · Score: 3, Funny

    Awesome! I can't wait to spend hours on end scouring the stadium, whacking rats with my +2 Baseball Bat of Slugging in order to level up my half-elf Second Baseman. ;)

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  7. Soon to come: by BlackCobra43 · · Score: 1

    The first Massively- Multiplayer online sport game Hooligans.

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    1. Re:Soon to come: by Millbuddah · · Score: 1

      That'd be true if we were talking bout a soccer game.... Although I guess SF Giants Fans count in the hooligan dept. Man, what is it about the Bay Area....

    2. Re:Soon to come: by chrismcdirty · · Score: 1

      I would also consider all Philadelphia sports fans hooligans. They throw stuff at just about every team. And hard stuff... like rocks. No wimpy beer cups and hot dogs there.

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    3. Re:Soon to come: by DarKrow · · Score: 1

      They've NEVER thrown rocks.

      Batteries? Yes.

      We tend to stick to stuff like Snowballs.

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  8. play as a persistant player by 1eyedhive · · Score: 1

    hmm, I like this idea. I've been a baseball fan for years, and remember playing some of the earliest sports games (on the intellivision, no less).

    Having a group of 18 sounds like fun, and if anyone leaves, dummy bot takes his place until someone else comes online.

    Gonna check it out once I get home.

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  9. Could actually work by Mukaikubo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Guys, they're not going after the established MMO fanbase. They're going after the sports fans who want just a little more. Entirely different target demographics.

    That said, I hope someone does this with football so I could play it. I call tight end... Blocking is fun!

  10. Woo! by MORTAR_COMBAT! · · Score: 1

    This title has been in development for a while, and a GameSpot preview reveals more, but what other genres will get tarred by the massively multiplayer brush before long?

    Please let it be Hockey! And soon! for GameCube? (ok I'm dreaming again... it's great being a fan of the #4 major sport and the #3 online console, I can tell you what...)

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  11. Snore by Reapy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wow, this can now simulate how boring it is to play baseball. Maybe I'll get stuck in right field and the ball wont come in my direction the whole game. Sounds like fun, paying monthly fees to sit around like i'm playing baseball. Cmon people, if you love the game that much, go sign up for a league and play it for real? It's not like baseball is an unaccessable sport like football or hockey. Oh well, mmorpg on..

    1. Re:Snore by TrippTDF · · Score: 1

      Wow, this can now simulate how boring it is to play baseball. That was my first reaction, too. Baseball is our national pass-time because so much damn time passes when you play/watch it. The thing that I always liked about baseball video games (I do like the game) is that you can cut to the chase of batting/pitching. You always get to do all the fun stuff. I can't imagine how fucking boring it would be to stand as a right fielder for inning after inning and NOT do anything. MMOs are just a way to make more money for game companies.

    2. Re:Snore by Chemical · · Score: 1

      I think the main problem is that nobody is going to select to be an outfielder, or third base, or any position that sees relativly little action. Everyone is going to create their character as a pitcher or short stop or first baseman, creating a major imbalance.

  12. can you say.... by bigbigbison · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...Motor City Online? I predict that this will be jsut as successfull as Motor City Online. I think that, at least at this point, the relative failure of the Sims Online shows that MMO games jsut aren't for the mainstream yet.

    Certainly the game makers need to keep trying and I'm glad they are. Eventually something will hit the wall and stick with teh general public. However, I just don't see this as being it.

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  13. WE'RE THE FIRST!!! YEAH!!! REALLY!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Isn't this the same thing?

    From GameSpot dated April 23, 2003:

    Square Enix begins open alpha testing of Online Striker

    Square Enix's online soccer game is available for open testing in Japan.

    Square Enix has released a downloadable alpha version of its upcoming PC soccer game Online Striker. While Online Striker has been in open testing under its developer, Dingo, since late last year, this is the first time that its publisher, Square Enix, is opening the test to the public.

    Online Striker is an online soccer game in which each of the participants can control one of the 22 players involved in a match. The game plays from a first-person view, simulating a realistic soccer-field view for each player. The final version will have a coach on each team who will also be controlled by a player, and a visual lobby will be available as well. The final product will also include a single-player mode, a skill-learning mode, and the ability to edit characters.

  14. cant someone make a P2P MMOG? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    with bandwidth shared like bit-torrent...?

    1. Re:cant someone make a P2P MMOG? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes! Wonderful idee! I'lll get statrted right awyya!

  15. MMO? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How exactly is this considered a massively-multiplayer game? As far as I can tell, only 18 people (2 teams of 9) are ever in the same "world" at the same time. (Unless there are also bench players and bullpen pitchers, etc. Boy, wouldn't that be fun, to play left-handed relief pitcher #2, who only comes in every 3 or 4 games to get 1 batter out.) Is that really massively-multiplayer? Sure, you may build a character who persists over multiple games, and who has the potential to interact with thousands of different people, but by that standard, isn't Diablo II massively-multiplayer? Hell, anything on Battle.net could be considered an MMO by that logic. Most people would define an MMO as a game where (at least) hundreds of players are playing in a single world at one time. A loose collection of people gathering in some chatroom-like lobby waiting to get a team together to play a game hardly fits that description.

    1. Re:MMO? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually it would be awesome to be the closer.

      Someone could call you on the phone (i.e. your real phone, a pager, email, IRC, etc.). You log in, start to warm up, get called in, mow down some batters and log off.

      This would be great for killing a break at work...

    2. Re:MMO? by spooje · · Score: 1

      Maybe they have a "fan" class of character. You gain experience by eating lots of hotdogs and not slipping on the piss in the bathrooms (yes I am talking about Jacob's Field).

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  16. camping? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
    "But just like in real-life baseball games, the real showdown will be between the pitcher and the batter."

    Great...so now we're gonna have people camping the pitchers mound, and people TKing to pitch? Can the batters charge the mound? If they could, I'm sure this game would attract a large amount of CS players.

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  17. The Problem with MMOSGs... by BTWR · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Here's the problem with MMOSG's...

    For example, take any team game. It's an excellent idea - 20 people each in a specialized position, playing like a real match. The problem is that, unlike when you're standing on the field, people will NOT have the patience to play correctly. You'll have fullbacks (defense guys in soccer) trying to score goals because they're bored, shortstops trying to catch a left-field popup (and messing up the play later), EVERYONE trying to shoot in basketball (no one, i predict, will want to be all-defensive).

    This may work, however, with interesting rules (like, for example, the goalie can't pull himself if he's bored since the puck is always on the other side... unless a majority of the team votes it).

    While on the subject, a manager/coach might be one of the most interesting positions in a MMOSG. They would pick who's on the ice (call line switches), pick the pass that the quarterback has to follow (or at least narrow it down to 2-3 options or quartback sneak), etc.

    So again, this could work work, could be amazing, but it's going to need some intelligent programming/rule-creating to make it fun.

  18. How about a virtual "Sports Planet"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was hoping there would soon be an online system that linked up multiple sports titles together as if in a giant park or something like that. It would be cool... you enter at the lobby/staging area/front gate etc. Then you take various virtual forms of transportation to whatever sport you wanted to play.

    You could walk past the minigolf course on your way to arena 6, just past the basketball courts to join your friends in a game of ping pong.

    The skateboarders could all roll by the tennis courts and start busting ollies over the net. Then the football players would rush right down the middle of the the BMX dirt track just as the offroad monster truck guys come over and push the whole lot of them off the cliff to the delight of the rock climbers hanging out in the area.

    YEAH!