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Java Desktop System Review

Posted by michael on from the write-once-run-sometimes dept.

Reader writes "OSNews has the first in-depth review of Sun's Java Desktop System based on the final code. The article discusses the good (stability, Star Office 7, good Java integration) and the bad (no KDE, buggy RealTek driver, shaky Samba) and it includes a number of screenshots. It seems that Sun has put all its attention on Gnome and while this is good for cosistency across their desktop (some of their Java apps use the native GTK+ themeing), it also limits its users from an out-of-the-box KDE and its thousands of apps choice."

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  1. E-Week by chill · · Score: 5, Informative

    E-Week also has a good review.

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  2. SuSE? Yast? by TrekCycling · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What a weird-ass system. What the heck does grafting Java images into SuSE's Yast and a bastardized Gnome 2.4/2.2 have to do with a "Java Desktop"?

  3. My problems with Java on the Desktop by Smelly+Jeffrey · · Score: 5, Funny

    Usually I wind up spilling my java all over my desktop when I read a particularly inflamatory on Slashdot...

  4. ELQ by bigjocker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We have seen a lot of articles here in slashdot pointing to OSNews lately, an all of them are by Eugenia Loli-Queru. Am I the only one who hates her reviews? I can't get any substance from any of the writeups.

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    1. Re:ELQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Who cares if she can write or not?! She's a babe!

    2. Re:ELQ by FortKnox · · Score: 5, Informative

      That's cause she's the one submitting them (check at the very bottom under "accepted stories"). Yeah, she submitted it anonymously, but slashdot tries to 'hide' anonymous posts/submissions, right? As you can see, the code was poorly architected, and some 'anti-anonymizing' stuff gets through. This leads to the assumption that anonymous really isn't anonymous at all... regardless of where it happens on this site.

      Not a troll, just an observation. So much for practicing what you preach.

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  5. Re:The desktop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The desktop should have been written in a low level language, like VB. This interpreted language garbage is bad, because you still ahve to load th interpreter into memory, and it isn't buffer controlled against privilege escalations or unauthorized sudo activity.

  6. Regarding lack of KDE by V.+Mole · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...while this is good for cosistency across their desktop [...] it also limits its users from an out-of-the-box KDE and its thousands of apps choice.

    And that's a Good Thing(tm).

    Now, before you flame me, that's absolutely NOT intended as a anti-KDE comment. It's simply that the Sun Java Desktop is not intended for hobbyists who are going to be installing random applications. It's intended to be used by organizations who will install it on everybody's machine (or a central server, or whatever), and that's it. Everybody's got the same stuff, and uses the same tools. Anything else is a support nightmare for a large organization, and eventually for Sun.

  7. Wrong market by Tet · · Score: 5, Interesting
    it also limits its users from an out-of-the-box KDE and its thousands of apps choice

    You're looking at it from the wrong perspective. The corporate desktop is not a place to be giving the user thousands of applications from which to choose. Nor even alternate desktops. It's about giving them the tools they need to do the job. Locked down, so the user can't tinker with it and screw things up. Including KDE would have been a terrible choice, no matter which side of the KDE/GNOME divide you fall. Sun need to provice accessiblity. GNOME gives that, and KDE doesn't (yet). So they have to ship GNOME. So their choices are to either ship GNOME or to ship both. For the corporate market, they definitely made the right decision on that score.

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    1. Re:Wrong market by RevMike · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The corporate desktop is not a place to be giving the user thousands of applications from which to choose. Nor even alternate desktops. It's about giving them the tools they need to do the job. Locked down, so the user can't tinker with it and screw things up. Including KDE would have been a terrible choice, no matter which side of the KDE/GNOME divide you fall. Sun need to provice accessiblity. GNOME gives that, and KDE doesn't (yet). So they have to ship GNOME. So their choices are to either ship GNOME or to ship both. For the corporate market, they definitely made the right decision on that score.

      You are absolutely right. A corporate desktop is a support nightmare if it isn't locked down and standardized. It would have been nice if Sun provided recent copies of the KDE toolkit, however. It is likely that some corporation is going to deicde that they need a particular KDE app, and the sysadmin will then need to figure out how to deploy the toolkit and the app to thousands of machines without breaking any dependancies.

      Please note that I am not arguing that the corporate user be able to run a KDE desktop/window manager. The corporate masters get the right to set the internal standards.