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IronPort Arms Both Sides In Spam War

securitas writes "We all know about IronPort's recent acquisition of SpamCop. What may not be common knowledge is that IronPort's Senderbase has 'the reputation as the fastest way to send millions of junk e-mail messages' and is popular with spam factories. Founded by two former Microsoft executives - Hotmail's Scott Weiss and ListBot founder Scott Banister - IronPort claims its customers are not spammers but legitimate marketers. Critics say that this is a clear conflict of interest. Playing spam from both sides might be likened to a pharmaceutical company enabling the spread of a disease in order to sell the cure. SpamCop founder Julian Haight - who had to sell the company in order to remain solvent - is quoted as saying of IronPort's anti-spam measures: "I am not sure all its standards are tough enough." The story was originally reported by the New York Times' Saul Hansell. Abbreviated mirror at IHT."

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  1. But after their extensive training ... by burgburgburg · · Score: 5, Funny

    in business ethics while employed at Microsoft, I am incapable of believing that the owners of Ironport would ever do anything to hurt the general public simply to make an obscene profit.

  2. What's the big deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    "What the big deal is about spam... just delete it and quit yer cryin'. Jeez."

    What is the big deal when someone from down the hall always keeps sneaking into my office when I am away and taking a dump in my chair. I just wipe it up and go on. Jeez.

  3. It has to be said... by i_r_sensitive · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nothing like having your SPAM and eating it too!

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  4. Question... by tonyr60 · · Score: 4, Funny

    So IronPort make both Spam mailers and anti-spam products.

    Will they use their spam mailer expertise to make better anti-spam products, or use their anti-spam expertise to make better spam emailer products?

    Why do I think I know the answer aleady.....

  5. Helpdesk employees? by msimm · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hotmail helpdesk #1: Dude, spam is big business.
    Hotmail helpdesk #2: Ya, I bet someone could make a killing off an anti-spam service.
    Hotmail helpdesk #1: Sure, but spammers are legitimate marketers too.
    Hotmail helpdesk #2: Dude I know, their just trying to get their message out.
    .
    ..
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    2000 - IronPort founded
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    Quack, quack.
  6. Ah, capitalism by violet16 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I guess a few bugs still need to be worked out.

  7. MS-bred?!? by burgburgburg · · Score: 4, Funny
    I understand what you're trying to say here, but I find that image to be a bit much. MS-bred? Last I checked, Bill and Steve haven't as of yet instituted a breeding program to ensure a steady supply of new Microsofties (though that might be the plot to that new movie "Paycheck").

    Everyone in the Microsoft thrall volunteered. Weiss and Banister signed their names in blood to Microsoft contracts. At some point, Dark Lord Ballmer will come with the Blue Screen of Death and collect from them. That is the way of things, at least until Frodo Torvald is able to throw the closed-source ring of power back into Mount Redmond where is was forged ...wait, it's time for my medicine again, isn't it?

  8. This reminds me of a certain episode ... by rcastro0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    PINKY: Gee, Brain, what do you wanna do tonight?

    BRAIN: The same thing we do every night,Pinky!
    Try to take over the world!
    {Pinky and the Brain theme}

    BRAIN: Email messages, Pinky, is our new tool! We will take over computers with trojan horses, send spam from there, and then we will sell everyone Anti-Spam... for what it's worth !

    PINKY: What if they don't buy your anti-Spam, Brain?

    BRAIN: Even better ! We will scare the people off the internet, leaving their connected PCs behind! This in turn will give us more hosts from which to send Spam. We will then have taken over the world!

    PINKY: Egad, Brain, Brilliant! Oh, oh, wait, no, no -- why would they be scared of us? We're so small, um, we're practically the size of mice, Brain!

    BRAIN: We *are* mice, Pinky.

    PINKY: Oh, right. Well, there you are then. Nya-ha-ha!

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  9. Re:Prior Act .. by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 2, Funny

    "The Tramp rescues a baby abandoned by its despairing mother, brings it up to become his partner in a window-repair business - although it is the Kid's business to break the windows first"

    Glad to see the Roman fire brigade still alive and well, and doing business...

  10. I blame Scott Adams... by Comatose51 · · Score: 2, Funny
    He should have known that anyone worth their weight in the tech industry is going to read his strip. Unleashing an idea like that! What was he thinking?

    http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilb ert-20031129.html

    And good God, he's an AOL user!

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    1. Re:I blame Scott Adams... by Comatose51 · · Score: 3, Funny
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  11. And..spamcop has my email.... by MindSlap · · Score: 2, Funny

    Gee.. and they have my email address...
    Would they? Could they?...give their collected mail addresses to their 'partners'/'customers'?

    10 Send report of spam to spamcop
    20 spam cop 'parters' spam you
    30 goto 10

  12. He's elected ! No, he's selected! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Bush was (elected/selected) !!

    (Bush/Gore) REALLY won the election!

    The (Democrats/Republicans) tried to steal votes!

    The Constitution was (violated/upheld)!

    Where will it ever end? I know: it will end when everyone realises that my pro-(Bush/Gore) side is absolute truth! Everyone who disagrees is a victim of (leftwing/rightwing) propaganda! Agree or shut up. NOW!!!