Slashdot Mirror
President Bush To Call For Return To Moon?
Brian Stretch writes " According to the National Review: 'When President Bush delivers a speech recognizing the centenary of heavier-than-air-powered flight December 17, it is expected that he will proffer a bold vision of renewed space flight, with at its center a return to the moon, perhaps even establishment of a permanent presence there. If he does, it will mean that he has decided the United States should once again become a space-faring nation.' Here's hoping. The article also includes talk of nuclear engines and using the moon as a testbed for going to Mars."
So are we really going there this time? ;)
Esoteric reference.
For more perspective on the significance of American's dalliances with the moon, see: the Penis Size Debate
You know, the tinfoil hatters who will now claim that we never landed on the moon and this is an attempt by Bush to steal the next election and distract us from Iraq.
Bush will also announce further tax cuts for the rich in order to finance the journey to the moon.
Hey, it worked for the invasion of Iraq!
Cheers, Nostrada
Or.......
Fuck, the US economy is in the shitter! People are starting to figure out Bush is a fucking clown! Quick, look over there, America! Isn't the moon pretty!?! Hey, let's "go back" there! While we're there, we can remember to Fight Terrorism(TM), Support Democracy(R), and Be Free(TM)!
"If there's hope, it lies in the proles..."
Why bother? Establish a permenant base on the moon to do what exactly?
Explore? Been there, done that.
Science? Benn there, done that too.
If this is just to stimulate the economy, then i guess it's better than warring against iraqi civilians.
The "Insert Quote Here" line is almost as predictable as inserting an actual quote.
I value a president who brings drug abuse, doublethink and racism to the White House. Fuck you, redneck.
It owes it to the fed, which is owned by private banks. And the banks don't mind that those debts never get "paid". They get paid in otherways: such as inflation. Inflation is mainly really just the majority population(you) losing purchasing power to the banks. Things don't cost more: if you lived 2000 years ago and had a ounce of gold you could buy a nice toga and a nice pair of sandals. If you have an ounce of gold today you can buy a nice suit and some nice shoes. Inflation really isn't things costing more, it's your money(fiat currency) losing purchasing power. And it is lost to the guys who make the money(the fed: the private banks).
So yeah, you're totally right it really is imaginary. The banks just invent it(really, they write checks to congress and the money doesn't exist before congress cashes them in for federal reserve notes at the treasury) in the idea that they'll make it back plus interest(inflation) when people spend it.
Molly Ivins? Good God, she's a fucking liberal idiot, just like you, you bedwetter.
In all honesty, have you considered suicide? I mean think about this:
1. You're contributing nothing to society.
2. As an unproductive member, you're a drain on the economy.
3. Any offspring you have now or will have in the future will be negatively impacted by your apparent lack of use.
In scenarios like this, it's best to simply remove yourself from the gene pool, it's what any responsible member of the human race would do.
Thank God they can only mod down to -1.
When Ann Coulter and the like troll libs, they use facts. The dont consider the whole picture, but they use facts to discredit.
When liberals attack, they us adhominem, throw the kitchen sink, blam bush for things a DEMOCRAT congress passed you name it. Neither party is right. BUt appealing to ghetto populist group think and conspiracy crap is why the DEMS are on a greased slope. CHeck out what Zell Millier (DEMOCRAT) has been saying lately. This party is in a train wreck. And he is a senior member.
The filibustering of the judges started a real war with the GOP and a new party will have to form in the ashes of the DEMS. Hopefully something less sensational, fact bearing, centrist and less authoritarian.
Of course congress hols the purse but this guy and Molly Ivins make a living out of being propaganda artists for the DEMS. Its just uglier and more transparent than the GOP propaganda.
you mean those people?
A Bush hater liberal with an MCSE who listens to Molly Ivins. And this is "insightful"
Tax Cut
You mean your one-time "benefit" of somewhere in the vicinity of $300? Real big help there.. Just in time to help boost Christmas spending so he can claim a "recovery" and a "robust, booming economy". Bzzzt.
No, you fucking moron. The Tax cut is not a one-time thing. The tax cut is for every year. Last year the tax cut was enacted retroactively. The $300 was a "refund" for the additional withholding that would not have happened had the tax cut been in effect the entire year.
You know, if you're too stupid to know and understand that, you're too stupid to comment on any of the other policy decisions. People like you should do the whole world a favor and not vote - preferably eliminate yourself from the gene pool also. It's because stupid people like you, who think they understand what's going on but don't, vote that we have the problems we have right now.
Mmmm.. Donuts
> (which would be fine with me if only he'd let me toke a little of the green, leafy, combustible stuff in peace.)
I can't fucking believe you would WANT to smoke it, or anything else. What kind of fucking man are you? Asswipe.
Are they talking about sending Bush to the moon?
There is what appears to be a good alternative to hearing jokes about the president of the U.S. not having much comprehension: Howard Dean for President.
Bush has done america alot of good, restoring some credibility so the next liberal goverment can betray that trust is only part of it. Let's face it, america under clinton's liberals became a two-bit side show with all snake oil to spare. I'm trying not to say anything useful because american liberals are two-faced liars and can't be trusted. Most of the current problems facing the US stemmed from the liberal party unwillingness to...
Demoralization of the population is gone.
Freedom is speech (and it's intent) for the most part has restored.
America is fatter then ever.
blah, blah, blah...
Who knows, maybe after another 20 years of republican/conservative rule we might get back to our calling of a free society by law, by dollar, by choice.
Back to the story. Some really cool stuff could happen as the result of a national effort to expand it's boundaries beyond the limitations of this planet. There's lots and lots of stuff which may offer this new generation have fewer constraints of the old world and it's mentality.
The bad guys really are losing aren't they.
You must be new around here...it seems no Slashbot's day is complete without posting something along the lines of "Bush is teh dumb." :-| I wonder how many of them showed up for yesterday's Two Minutes Hate.
20 January 2017: the End of an Error.
Shortly after the first moon landing (1969), then-Vice President Spiro Agnew announced that the United States would put a man on Mars by the year 2000. Lets take care of that first, before we attend to the present Command-in-Thief's fancy.
Ok, you got your taxbreak. The country is still going to shit and Bush is still one of the biggest fuckheads alive.
There is a fine line between being a cultivated citizen and being someone else's crop. - A. J. Patrick Liszkie
the fact you parallel reality with fantasy (using Sopranos to allude to things) cements in my mind you are not a critical thinker but a Hollywood raised idiot. You think watching a few "deep" movies and "dramatic" series gives you insight on reality or the vastly deep complexities of real problems you are in dreamland.
you could never get rich off your convictions which is why you are so disgruntled. its pathetic to watch.
you also dont have any qualification to be pontification about national fiscal policy, yet you gleefy espouse this trash like you know it all.
and you think you do. psst, anyone with lots of money knows you dont know crap. "Wealth is the product of man's capacity to think."
id do "The Thinker" pose if i were you. for some time.
What makes sense here is that money spent on space is a good short-term waste. Maybe in the long-long run, it'll turn into minute profits for the poor. That means that for the time-being, Bush can continue to divert resources from the poor to the rich. That's why this is an option, just like all the money he's wasted on the military... hugely inefficient for the economy, great for the few folks who stand to gain from it immediately.
You make me sick Liberals. I believe a Buddhist monk when preaching about morality, because the live the life they proscribe, they have honor and integrity, YOU HAVE NONE. You fucking people who legislate how we should live our lives in a way YOU HAVE NEVER EVEN TRIED FOR YOURSEFL FIRST hand.
You are disgusting. Your editorials are one way, you never give feedback or comments in threads. You pontificate with no moral or intellectual authority. You suck, you are a goat.
I*m totally appalled. Wah. Wah. Cry wah. Commie. You leftist shit. Lets make the doors out of paper to let the burglars in, give a big hug and try to kiss and make friends.
This thread is making me sick, and all the commie leftist biased shit going on makes me even more sick.
There are those few people here which have said some conservative sense to these leftists that would teach gay love to young boys for the sake of diversity.
No one holds a gun to your head to eat that fuckin' McDonalds. NO ONE. These third world saps suck up American culture because they are busy chopping clitorises off of women, suppressing ethnic minority groups though genocide or some other bull shit. None of these fucking countries have to use our culture, our money our products, yet the ALL FLOCK TO DO SO.
Trickle down has served the world well. Everyone has planes available to them now, and they were ours and ours alone back in the days of Kitty Hawk. Same with mass produced cars, everyone has ridden in one to date, largely because AMERICA made it feasible very early on with the assembly line. We have all this glory and innovation because we are a FREE fucking society, and we welcome people of all walks of life, of all creeds and colors, to come here and FUCKING PROSER you animal.
People are way to young and don't read much history. Ask Tibet how it likes China's takeover. Ask the Chinks how they like the Japs when they killed 100,000's during the occupation of Manchuria. Ask any of the down trodden eastern Europeans how it felt to have the long spear of the Soviet Ramrod up their asses during the cold war days? How bout a nice day in a GOULAG? How about making bomb shelters in Iraq near legit military targets to get "bad lefty communist like Christiana AMAPOUR to report civvie deaths even though Hussein is at fault?" How about starving Iraqi "children" aka terrorists in training starving to death because their leader is spending upwards of0B/year in WMD research. How about Canada and France selling No. Ko. reactor parts, great fuckin friends we have. How about getting the death penalty in Singapore for smoking a joint? How about giving the Middle East nations the oil fields back (after we built huge oil platforms for them, because the tent dwelling cretins were too fucking retarded to do it themselves). Oh, Mr. Bad USA, gave the panama canal back. How about a USA so weak right now fucking Chinks want to buy out Global Crossing (a big chunk of the FUCKING INTERNET WE INVENTED, PIONEERED) after the chinks were handed all sorts of shit by the CLINTOON administration, and Terry McAuliffe.
FUCK TIHS ANTI AMERICAN shit. All the foreigners who get here legally stay for a fucking damn good reason. And I welcome you, so long as you pay taxes * do what you fuckin want.
This is historically unfounded. We get over our vices and inconsistencies fast here. USA makes mistakes, but the Sudanese still have slavery, we don't. We got over slavery damn quick compared to the rest of the world. We came a long way on suffrage (the right to vote to all the bleeding heart commies who have yet to pay much into the system yet). We may not be perfect yet, but shit, its far from shit. very far.
I hate the commie shit socialists who want the least common denominator for everyone.
FUCK YOU. Id rather nuke your ass and suck up some nice radiation I paid for that share my home with you fucking lazy un-working vermin.
I'll never worry about losing the cure for cancer by nuking dumps like Iraq, because these defu
The only way another moon trip is worth the expense is if it's one way and Bush is a passenger.
If I remember correctly
You don't.
Cheers,
Can we now all agree that Mr Bush is a lunatic? I do appreciate that some serious flaming is required to achieve this goal..
Thanks,
Gerard
'Which was dumb of him, since we later found out that a statewide recount would have given Gore the election. Not that it mattered, since the supreme court stepped into something that was none of their business and handed Bush the election..'
Don't know what time-space continuium you live in, but a couple liberal Fla. newspapers paid for a recount of all COUNTABLE BALLOTS ( note this different than democrats who considered any ballot with conflicting votes cast to be obviously in favor of GORE) showed that Bush still would've won by a thousand or so votes.
I don't really care for Bush or GOP, I view both parties as badly flawed, but the truth is the truth. For whatever it's worth Bush's tax cuts seem to be fueling the economy and I have a job now because of that, I don't know that Gore would've done any better.
So Long and Thanks for all the Fish.
It's not hate-filled to say that George Bush does not seem intelligent. Watch David Letterman. (For those of you not in the U.S., he is a talk show host who is on TV every weekday night.) Letterman has been regularly showing video clips, taken from that day's news, of our President, George Bush, doing something stupid.
For example, in one David Letterman clip George Bush read a speech and when he was finished gave a cough and a jerky movement that David Letterman characterized as, "That was boring. Now I'm out of here."
I'm tired of having a president that other foreign leaders characterize as an "idiot". That reference is just one example.
There is a part of the Republican party composed of people who will do anything to sell the U.S. government to those, mostly their friends, who have money. They are truly not a political party; they can rightly be characterized as criminals. George Bush is their figurehead. For example, look at this CNN article, "Vice President Cheney has a financial interest in Halliburton." Quoting David Letterman, "When you write the check for your part of the $83 billion to rebuild Iraq, remember that there are two Ls in Halliburton."
According to someone I know who was in Vice President Dick Cheney's social circle while he was at Halliburton, Cheney was (is) an alcoholic with a history of boozing and womanizing. This was not different from George Bush, of course.
I'm not the only person who is looking for an alternative to President Bush. I think that maybe Howard Dean is the best alternative.
Also, note that this post is on-topic. We are talking about the politics of the U.S. government spending billions of money it doesn't have to send people to the moon. Others have characterized this as intended to be a distraction from the serious problems the present U.S. government administration has caused.
Does that include the number of discourged workers who aren't even counted in the "benefit rolls", because their benefits have run out? No.
That's why BLS measures unemployment not just by the household survey, which is what you are referring to, but also by tyhe payroll survey. Learn all about it here Employment Situation Summary
Note both of these may actually overestimate unemployment because they don't account for workers payed underthe table in cash.
The reason for the recesion is clear. Clinton/Gore kept pumping and pumping the bubble. Where were they when Enron / Worldcom / Wall Street were up to their shenanigans? That's right hitting, up the ChiComs for campaign donations and hitting up interns for BJ's.
We will never forget Gore claiming that Bush was "talking down the economy" in 2000. Everyone in the world except to D's realized the mess they had gotten us in.
and FYI
Bush's approval rating is at 61%
And some Democrats (Dean, Kucinich) do have an agenda
We know what it is.
1. Raise taxes.
2. Surreder to Hussein.
Good luck with that platform.
jk. The moon is waaaaaay more important.
"Other bands play, but Manowar KILLS"
The problems in those countries were caused by the US. The problem is the precarious nature of their semi-democratic societies.
If the US was cut off from the world economy, we would be much better off. We would experience immediate inflation. But, we would also experience 100% employment.
A strong democracy and vast resources of the US produced our wealth and prosperity. That democracy created levels of wealth equality unparallelled in near history. That is what creates prosperity.
The system falls apart when wealth distribution becomes too schewed. The wealthy make investments for the sake of greed. When there is no potential return on investment, they will stop investing.
In other words, when people are too poor to buy stuff, factories close. Put another way, when the rich have all the money, they needen't bother with the poor anymore. The supply for labor far outstrips the demand. The price of labor plummets. Less consumption follows and the cycle ends in a devastating depression.
This is the lesson of the 1930s. The speculation and money traders certainly helped things along. However, the vast concentrations of wealth was the true cause of the problem. The super-wealthy already had most of the money. What could possibly be gained from investing?????
This is what supply side econ leads to. It did so in the early part of this century. It is leading us their right now. We are bartering away are freedoms through WTO and NAFTA. We are spiralling back towards the bottom as wages fall. We are sending are machining equipment overseas to China.
This of course is the dream of the supply siders. No longer can our democracy save us when our country is dependent for basic necessities from overseas dictators (China). The Newer New Deal won't help us when are defense intrests are heavily sub-contracted in China.
When mega corporations hold all the cards, including democratic institutions, depression will be perpetual. Autocracy will reign.
Thats just the way the Bushies would like it.
-------- -------- Support Wesley Clark for president!!!
Who hired this guy? George W.Bush;The White House,USA EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE: LAW ENFORCEMENT: I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1976 for driving under the influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been "lost" and is not available MILITARY: I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam. COLLEGE: I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. I was a cheerleader. PAST WORK EXPERIENCE: I ran for U.S. Congress and lost. I began my career in the oil business in Midland, Texas, in 1975. I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas. The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock. I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money. With the help of my father and our right-wing friends in the oil industry (including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected governor of Texas. ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS: I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union. During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America. I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in borrowed money. I set the record for the most executions by any governor in American history. With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida, and my father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over 500,000 votes. ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT: I am the first President in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record. I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week. I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S.Treasury. I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S.history. I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period. I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period. I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market. In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month. I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history. My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her. I set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips by a U.S. President I am the all-time U.S.and world record-holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations. My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S. History,Enron. My political party used Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during my election decision. I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution. More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history. I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed. I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history. I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts. I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any President in U.S. history. I created the Department of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States government. I've broken more international treaties than any President in U.S.history. I am the first President in U.S.history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission. I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law. I refused to allow inspectors
If I ever kill you, I will make it a point to kill you with a gun I obtain illegally, or with a knife, to underscore your fucking laws and how the chains of you fucks and the chains of law that destroy a mans soul, that destroys his right to defend his life, his liberty, his pursuit of happyness, without taking your rights away.
You fucks. Ill go down fighting an dying rather than let you revisionist communist pigs win. FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU COMMIE. What are you fucking laws going to do to you when armageddon comes and you are a food and I have my gun? YOU FUCKING BASTARD!
mu huh hahahahaha.
If I ever kill you, I will make it a point to kill you with a gun I obtain illegally, or with a knife, to underscore your fucking laws and how the chains of you fucks and the chains of law that destroy a mans soul, that destroys his right to defend his life, his liberty, his pursuit of happyness, without taking your rights away.
You fucks. Ill go down fighting an dying rather than let you revisionist communist pigs win. FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU COMMIE. What are you fucking laws going to do to you when armageddon comes and you are a food and I have my gun? YOU FUCKING BASTARD!