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Japanese P2P Users Arrested, Creator Targeted

nutznboltz writes "According to a story on CNET Asia, two Japanese users of the Winny P2P application have been arrested for copyright violations, and the developer of the P2P software has also had his home searched by police. Winny was 'supposedly anonymous', and purported to be based on Freenet, although Freenet creator Ian Clarke is claiming that Winny is not really like Freenet, and that he's 'not concerned that the Japanese police have somehow found a way to compromise Freenet's security'."

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  1. MOD DOWN, troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1. p2p isn't piracy or crime, just like everything else it can be used to violate laws, so p2p != piracy.

    2. copying software isn't theft or crime, it's just copyright violation (I'm not saying it's cool, it's just not a crime)

    1. Re:MOD DOWN, troll by RumpRoast · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But if you read the article, they were arrested for sharing very specific items, namely an Nintendo game and a feature film. That is piracy, regardless of the p2p enabler.

      Also, although IANACL isn't copyright violation a crime? So I can just violate copyrights willy nilly and get away with it until I'm slapped with a civil suit?

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      My Ass hurts.
  2. Uh, not quite... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Piracy is a crime and these folks were arrested for it. I don't see why this is news.

    Uh, not quite. Software piracy may be a crime, but writing a P2P application, which has practical purposes for sharing files legally, isn't (as far as I know).

    It's a sad day when writing a file sharing application is enough to get your house turned upside down by the police or get you thrown into jail.

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    "Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
    1. Re:Uh, not quite... by lennart78 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Uh, not quite. Software piracy may be a crime, but writing a P2P application, which has practical purposes for sharing files legally, isn't (as far as I know).


      If the government feels it should prosecute writers of p2p applications because copyright infringment can take place with these, why not also go after the firearms industry, because people get shot by guns?
    2. Re:Uh, not quite... by tgt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      why not also go after the firearms industry

      Because government profits from taxes they pay. As soon as you pay 0.01 cents per download government is p2p's best friend.

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    3. Re:Uh, not quite... by Tim+C · · Score: 3, Insightful

      why not also go after the firearms industry, because people get shot by guns?

      Because the firearms industry is (relatively) huge, has lots of money, generates a lot of tax revenue, and has a few volunteer groups campaigning against it. In contrast, file-sharing tech is (relatively) tiny, has next to no money, is used by people to avoid paying for stuff and therefore generating tax revenue*, and has large, multinational groups with lots of money campaigning against it. Logic doesn't come into it, money does.

      * Yes, I know, it has legitmate uses too, but they don't generate any tax revenue either

  3. Re:Freenet/Winny by Troed · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can search Freenet _exactly_ in the same way you can search the World Wide Web. If you use a messageboard/filesharing application on top of Freenet (like Frost) you can search with a nice little search box per board or in all of them.

    But please, why not post uninformed opinions on Slashdot and get modded up as Insightful :)

  4. Re:Freenet/Winny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You can search Freenet _exactly_ in the same way you can search the World Wide Web. If you use a messageboard/filesharing application on top of Freenet (like Frost) you can search with a nice little search box per board or in all of them.

    You just proved his point by thinking in the programmer mindset.
    "IF you use a messageboard/filesharing application on top of Freenet" - but not if you haven't. You need to download and install a whole program to do something as basic as searching. This is nowhere near "_exactly_ in the same way you can search the WWW".

    What we need to do is not to turn away from reality and claim Freenet is easy to use - instead we need to face it, accept the fact that its usability is low, and think of ways to improve them. Denial isn't going to get you anywhere.

  5. Re:News to me by paganizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ANd why are the neighborhoods destroyed?
    Because the pushers are doing something very risky for very high profits; because the users have to pay a artificially high price for drugs. eliminate government interference, prices go down, it's no longer neccesary to have hired goons running around guarding the drug dealers, no longer worthwhile to KILL to protect your drug supply.
    Drugs are a problem. the Violence and crime associated with drugs is 90%+ the result of the war on crime.
    Don't believe me? think about the 60's & 70's. I was there, I know.

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    Why, yes, I AM a Pagan Libertarian.
  6. Re:Ever *truly* Anonymous? by caluml · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Have a second internet with a completely different method of assigning IP address. NAT all traffic passing through your box.
    Hey presto, no-one knows if it came from you, or the person behind you, and there is no ISP that can be asked who "owned" an IP at a certain time.

  7. Re:freenet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Not knowing the contents of your drive space I doubt would work as a defense. If that drive space can be shown to have distributed copyrighted material its likely that's all that matters.

    Owners seem responsible even if they're unaware. You can loose your car if you loan it to a friend who uses it to buy drugs.

    A mother was convicted (Ohio) of manslaughter because while she was asleep upstairs her 19 year old daughter and friends got drunk in the basement two stories below, left the house and killed someone while driving. She was the owner of the house and "should have known" stuff...

    A man was convicted for manslaughter because his friend, arrested for DUI asked the police to call him and pick his friend up at the police station when he was released. The guy who was arrested asked his friend to take him to his car and drop him off. He did and went back home to bed. His friend gets back in his car, kills himself and someone else, apparently he was still drunk. It was his friend who picked him up and dropped him off at his car who gets arrested for manslaughter even though he was asleep when the crime happened and it was his friend who did it.

    If I have a WiFi and someone driving by my house uses my network to send a threating email to the President... The SS comes and takes all my equipment with no hope of getting it back.

    On and on... If the data is encrypted and I don't know what's in my drive space it almost makes the pain of conviction hurt that much worse. Kinda like getting fucked with the courtisy of a reach around.

  8. What democracy? (rhetorical) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Well IANAJC (I am not a Japanese Citizen), but as a citizen of another known "democratic republic", I just have to wonder. Weren't we supposed to be pretending that government did something other than <>?

    Just as a gas, I'm including a relevant clip from Japan's constitution. Reach your own conclusions.

    Article 21:
    Freedom of assembly and association as well as speech, press and all other forms of expression are guaranteed. 2) No censorship shall be maintained, nor shall the secrecy of any means of communication be violated.