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NetBSD Packages Collection No Longer Frozen

jschauma writes "As many users will probably have noticed by the increase in recent pkgsrc commits, the NetBSD Packages Collection freeze is now officially over. Starting October 6th, 2003 and lasting almost two months, the NetBSD Packages team concentrated upon stabilizing the over 4,000 software packages and the pkgsrc infrastructure to prepare for a stable pkgsrc branch. During that time, the number of broken packages during a i386 bulk build was brought down to a mere 15, and a large number of PRs was closed. A new branch with the tag ``pkgsrc-2003Q4'' was created, allowing our users to maintain a highly stabilized third-party software package managment environment, as only pullups of significant importance (such as security issues) are applied to this branch."

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  1. wh00p by yosemite · · Score: -1, Troll

    Chock full of hearty goodness...

  2. *BSD is dying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    Fact: *BSD is dying

    It is common knowledge that *BSD is dying. Everyone knows that ever hapless *BSD is mired in an irrecoverable and mortifying tangle of fatal trouble. It is perhaps anybody's guess as to which *BSD is the worst off of an admittedly suffering *BSD community. The numbers continue to decline for *BSD but FreeBSD may be hurting the most. Look at the numbers. The erosion of user base for FreeBSD continues in a head spinning downward spiral.

    OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of BSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

    Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

    All major marketing surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among hobbyist dilettante dabblers. In truth, for all practical purposes *BSD is already dead. It is a dead man walking.

    Fact: *BSD is dying

  3. BSD joins the "B" team by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    We must report with a heavy heart that Bob "I'm still dead" Hope has gone on to join the "B" team. As you all may know, BSD has been part of the "B" team for quite some time.

    The Year of Our Lord 2003 has been a particularly bad year for the "B"s,

    • Bob Hope
    • Buddy Ebsen
    • Buddy Hackett
    • Barry White
    • BSD
    This honored list of dead is but a small token of adieu from the many fans of the deceased.
    These dead were truly some American Icons. They will be missed.
  4. What a pity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    ...The cyrogenics have failed

  5. NetBSD fatal bus fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    A tourist bus skidded off a mountain road and fell into a gorge in western India, killing 22 people and injuring 30 others, Press Trust of India news agency said Sunday. The accident occurred just before midnight Saturday on a mountain road near Mahabaleshwar, a hill resort 95 miles southeast of Bombay, said PTI quoting police.

    The driver of the bus was negotiating a bend in the road when he lost control of the vehicle which skidded and crashed into a gorge, nearly 200 feet below. Residents of nearby villages and authorities found 22 bodies. BSD was among the dead. Its corpse has gone unclaimed, leading to speculation that BSD was indeed an orphan. Calls to former spouse Wind River went unreturned.

  6. Sifting through the rubble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    What We Can Learn From BSD
    By Chinese Karma Whore, Version 1.0

    Everyone knows about BSD's failure and imminent demise. As we pore over the history of BSD, we'll uncover a story of fatal mistakes, poor priorities, and personal rivalry, and we'll learn what mistakes to avoid so as to save Linux from a similarly grisly fate.

    Let's not be overly morbid and give BSD credit for its early successes. In the 1970s, Ken Thompson and Bill Joy both made significant contributions to the computing world on the BSD platform. In the 80s, DARPA saw BSD as the premiere open platform, and, after initial successes with the 4.1BSD product, gave the BSD company a 2 year contract.

    These early triumphs would soon be forgotten in a series of internal conflicts that would mar BSD's progress. In 1992, AT&T filed suit against Berkeley Software, claiming that proprietary code agreements had been haphazardly violated. In the same year, BSD filed countersuit, reciprocating bad intentions and fueling internal rivalry. While AT&T and Berkeley Software lawyers battled in court, lead developers of various BSD distributions quarreled on Usenet. In 1995, Theo de Raadt, one of the founders of the NetBSD project, formed his own rival distribution, OpenBSD, as the result of a quarrel that he documents on his website. Mr. de Raadt's stubborn arrogance was later seen in his clash with Darren Reed, which resulted in the expulsion of IPF from the OpenBSD distribution.

    As personal rivalries took precedence over a quality product, BSD's codebase became worse and worse. As we all know, incompatibilities between each BSD distribution make code sharing an arduous task. Research conducted at MIT found BSD's filesystem implementation to be "very poorly performing." Even BSD's acclaimed TCP/IP stack has lagged behind, according to this study.

    Problems with BSD's codebase were compounded by fundamental flaws in the BSD design approach. As argued by Eric Raymond in his watershed essay, The Cathedral and the Bazaar, rapid, decentralized development models are inherently superior to slow, centralized ones in software development. BSD developers never heeded Mr. Raymond's lesson and insisted that centralized models lead to 'cleaner code.' Don't believe their hype - BSD's development model has significantly impaired its progress. Any achievements that BSD managed to make were nullified by the BSD license, which allows corporations and coders alike to reap profits without reciprocating the goodwill of open-source. Fortunately, Linux is not prone to this exploitation, as it is licensed under the GPL.

    The failure of BSD culminated in the resignation of Jordan Hubbard and Michael Smith from the FreeBSD core team. They both believed that FreeBSD had long lost its earlier vitality. Like an empire in decline, BSD had become bureaucratic and stagnant. As Linux gains market share and as BSD sinks deeper into the mire of decay, their parting addresses will resound as fitting eulogies to BSD's demise.

  7. It wasn't frozen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    It was stiff. Very common with corpses.

    1. Re:It wasn't frozen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      Only *BSD users would detest their own penis being hard

    2. Re:It wasn't frozen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      Only Linux users would talk about BSD users' penises.

  8. YHBT YHL HAND by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    FOAD

  9. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    It will be many centuries before technology can breath new life into a corpse.

  10. Arousing the Stallion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Arousing the Stallion

    Stallions are aroused by the smell of horse pussy above all else. If you have access to a mare, then gentle her till she will let you finger her...then coat your fingers with her juice.

  11. Horse semen is extremely viscous, if you touch you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    Horse semen is extremely viscous, if you touch your finger to a pool of it you can draw a thin string of it five to six feet long!
  12. Re:Any idea when NetBSD 2.0 is due? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Never. *BSD is dying, don't you know?

  13. What we can learn from that damned corpse by *BSD+Jihad · · Score: -1, Troll
    What We Can Learn From BSD

    By Chinese Karma
    Whore,
    Version 1.0

    Everyone knows about BSD's failure and imminent demise. As we pore over the
    history of BSD, we'll uncover a story of fatal mistakes, poor priorities, and personal rivalry,
    and we'll learn what mistakes to avoid so as to save Linux from a similarly grisly fate.

    Let's
    not be overly morbid and give BSD credit for its early successes. In the 1970s, Ken Thompson
    and Bill Joy both made significant contributions to the computing world on the BSD platform. In
    the 80s, DARPA saw BSD as the premiere open platform, and, after initial successes with the
    4.1BSD product, gave the BSD company a 2 year contract.

    These early triumphs would soon be
    forgotten in a series of internal conflicts that would mar BSD's progress. In 1992, AT&T filed
    suit against Berkeley Software, claiming that proprietary code agreements had been haphazardly
    violated. In the same year, BSD filed countersuit, reciprocating bad intentions and fueling
    internal rivalry. While AT&T and Berkeley Software lawyers battled in court, lead developers of
    various BSD distributions quarreled on Usenet. In 1995, Theo de Raadt, one of the founders of
    the NetBSD project, formed his own rival distribution, OpenBSD, as the result of a quarrel that he
    documents on his
    website. Mr. de Raadt's
    stubborn arrogance was later seen in his clash with Darren Reed, which resulted in the expulsion
    of IPF from the OpenBSD distribution.

    As personal rivalries took precedence over a quality
    product, BSD's codebase became worse and worse. As we all know, incompatibilities between each BSD
    distribution make code sharing an arduous task.
    Research conducted at MIT
    found BSD's filesystem implementation to be "very poorly performing." Even BSD's acclaimed
    TCP/IP stack has lagged behind, according to

    this study.

    Problems with BSD's codebase were compounded by fundamental
    flaws in the BSD design approach. As argued by Eric Raymond in his watershed essay,
    The Cathedral and the
    Bazaar,
    rapid, decentralized development models are inherently superior to slow, centralized ones
    in software development. BSD developers never heeded Mr. Raymond's lesson and insisted that
    centralized models lead to 'cleaner code.' Don't believe their hype - BSD's development model has
    significantly impaired its progress. Any achievements that BSD managed to make were nullified by
    the BSD license, which allows corporations and coders alike to reap profits without reciprocating
    the goodwill of open-source. Fortunately, Linux is not prone to this exploitation, as it is
    licensed under the GPL.

    The failure of BSD culminated in the resignation of Jordan Hubbard
    and Michael Smith from the FreeBSD core team. They both believed that FreeBSD had long lost its
    earlier vitality. Like an empire in decline, BSD had become bureaucratic and stagnant. As Linux
    gains market share and as BSD sinks deeper into the mire of decay, their parting addresses will
    resound as fitting eulogies to BSD's demise.

  14. 10 Issues about *BSD that *BSD Users Hide From You by *BSD+Jihad · · Score: -1, Troll

    1. You can not play games on it.
    2. It cannot be used by my grandma.
    3. It lacks a GUI of any note.
    4. There is no support available for it.
    5. It is an assortment of fragmented OSes.
    6. It cannot be run on the x86 platform.
    7. You have to compile everything and know C.
    8. Support for the latest hardware is always poor.
    9. It is incompatiable with GNU/Linux.
    10.It is dying.

  15. The *BSD Reaper by *BSD+Jihad · · Score: -1, Troll

    All our times have come
    Here but now they're gone
    Mac OS don't fear the reaper
    Nor do the windows, SUN or the rain..we can be like they are
    Come on baby...don't fear the reaper
    Baby take my hand...don't fear the reaper
    We'll be able to fly...don't fear the reaper
    BSD's bought the farm....

    Distro is done
    Here but now they're gone
    Romeo and Juliet
    Are together in eternity...Romeo and Juliet
    40,000 server crashes every day...Like Romeo and Juliet
    40,000 workstations reformatted everyday...Redefine happiness
    Another 40,000 coming everyday...We can be like they are
    Come on baby...don't fear the reaper
    Baby take my hand...don't fear the reaper
    We'll be able to fly...don't fear the reaper
    BSD's bought the farm...

    Love of two is one
    Here but now they're gone
    Came the last night of sadness
    And it was clear she couldn't log on
    Then the file was opened the wind appeared
    The mobo blew then disappeared
    The curtains flew then Jordan Hubbard and Michael Smith appeared...saying don't be afraid
    Come on baby...and she had no fear
    And she ran to them...then they started to fly
    They looked backward and said goodbye...she had become like they are
    She had taken their hand...she had become like they are
    Come on baby...don't fear the reaper "

  16. Lights out, pard. by *BSD+Jihad · · Score: -1, Troll

    Somewhere, in a lonely hospital room,

    *BSD is dying

  17. *BSD Lament by *BSD+Jihad · · Score: -1, Troll

    The End of FreeBSD
    [ed. note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD]

    When I stood for election to the FreeBSD core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project.

    Today, as I read the latest discussions on the future of the FreeBSD project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes. Frankly I'm sick of it.

    FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.

    It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.

    So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.

    Discussion

    I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing your politics openly.

    From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are sorely diminished.

    There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward, one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want.

    Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort of progress.

    Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot, no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers?

    Shouts

    To the Slashdot "BSD is dying" crowd - big deal. Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad.

    To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goals. It's when you get distracted by the politickers

  18. This is the horse cock thread by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Please put all horse pussy and cock posts under this one, thanks!

  19. Re:Yay! you can compile for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Mac fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a Mac with Panther preview (a 8600/300 w/64 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes.

  20. They're on fire !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
  21. Lamenting the dead - What Killed FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    The End of FreeBSD

    [ed. note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD]

    When I stood for election to the FreeBSD core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project.

    Today, as I read the latest discussions on the future of the FreeBSD project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes. Frankly I'm sick of it.

    FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.

    It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.

    So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.

    Discussion

    I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing your politics openly.

    From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are sorely diminished.

    There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward, one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want.

    Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort of progress.

    Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot, no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers?

    Shouts

    To the Slashdot "BSD is dying" crowd - big deal. Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad.

    To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goals. It