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Linux in the Developing World

Norsemann writes "Peter Spotts of the Christian Science Monitor has some very interesting things to say about the latest wave of Linux adoptions throughout Asia and beyond. He hits on some important points about not only China's role in Open Source but the 'global' role in Open Source... Perhaps the best is still yet to come." The BBC also has a nice story about Brazil using Linux in cybercafes.

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  1. Linux's best quality? by i_want_you_to_throw_ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It is OSS. When you run your entire operation on MS you're having your data infrastructure being controlled by a foreign government.

    OSS is the best thing in the world for those governments who might be a little suspect of U.S. commercial interests.

    The other advantage is that OSS helps to close the gap between the haves and the have nots. There are those people that romanticize the developing world and think that bringing technology to them is a bad idea. Well obviously these people have never been to the developing world and the lack of technology in these places helps to keep them in the third world.

    Ironically a tremendous number of people in Nepal have email access and the guesthouse I stay in in Kathmandu runs everything on Linux.

    1. Re:Linux's best quality? by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The Brazilian government is up and going, too. There may be little or no correlationl, but stock took off there, but has been dragging everywhere else. I'd think less of it, but two of the larger European OSS nations, Germany and France, are showing better optimism than the UK which has been hamstrung by MS on a few occasions in the last 5 years. It's still possible to drop MS and restore the lead in IT that the UK used to enjoy.

      The same economic benefits apply to rich nations as well as developing ones. However, I'd expect several orders of magnitude greater benefit.

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  2. Open Source in developing countries by xeno_gearz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is certainly interesting to see that Open Source is being more widely accepted in the developing world. It bring to question, in what manner developers of programs that are not open source will attempt to combat this. Microsoft's recent pricing of Windows OS for only $40 in Thailand is an example of these attempts. Will this attempt by Microsoft really have an impact in Thailand, or is this simply an act of desperation? I wonder what the current impact is of computers running Linux in Thailand?

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    1. Re:Open Source in developing countries by neiffer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think you are missing the point. Sure, $40 is a bargain to the Western pocketbook, but I assure you it is a hefty price for our brothers and sisters in Thailand. $40 may be several months salary.

    2. Re:Open Source in developing countries by rbp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Microsoft has been engaged in an some agressive pricing tactics here in Brazil for a while now, including in our major universities. They even give their software for free (you know, the first one is always free...), if they think it'll pay off in the future.

      It is therefore important to make the decision people (including the government) realize that price is not the reason why free software is better, specially in schools and government-related projects. Hey, it's not even an important reason, in many cases.

      They have to understand that free software is better because its quality is superior; because we get to see what's inside, so we learn more; we don't have to take anyone's word on its keeping our private data, well, private; we don't depend on a single vendor; we can even start developing our own version, based on what's available, if we want to, thus having complete control and developing our own technology.

      It's just a better idea, pricing aside. If "they" believe price is the only advantage, we're on very thin ice...

    3. Re:Open Source in developing countries by antiMStroll · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Microsoft's foreign price reductions will bite them in the ass. American companies and individuals will start asking why they're forced to pay $100 + per seat while those outside Microsoft's native land get away with less than half that. They'll likely be forced to reduce domestic pricing too and it's a question whether their business model can support that. A friend who works in Redmond recently told me the company is become increasingly tight-fisted internally, to the point where this $50 billion in the bank corp no longer buys donuts once a week for developers and that it cheaper for employees to buy some MS product retail than through their employee discounts.

  3. Re:Who will build our digital future? by Junks+Jerzey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The same type of people who built our digital past..

    here's a hint, it wasn't megacorp!


    No offense, but have you ever heard of IBM? Or DEC? Or Intel? Or Texas Instruments?

  4. Isn't this simple logic? by neiffer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    OpenSource makes tons of sense in the "developing" and "cybercafe" world for several reasons. The flexibility in licensing and the diminished need for patching over the dialup lines (speaking of remote locations, of course...some of the best public access to the Internet I've seen is outside the traditional developing world) is a great asset to those on tight budgets. However, it goes further than that. As the non-Western economies tend to have a different standard of living, even inexpensive licenses (compared to our costs) could be cost prohibitive. I have a close relationship with some teachers from Belarus and the piracy there is rampid not because people are necessarily out to steal from "the man," but rather a $50 or $75 dollar copy of Windows XP Pro (and come on, other than NFR copies or those that get on reseller deals...it's never that cheap here) would put the software out of reach for all but the elite. That being said, if you want to following licensing (like in a school), the alternative is clear.

  5. I am in Indonesia at the moment by einhverfr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And there is a MAJOR push for Linux on the desktop here at the moment. Here is why:

    Previously businesses and individuals bought their software via low-cost vendors of pirated software. This kept their cost down.

    More recently, the Indonesian gov't has been crackind down on said vendors (a good thing IMO). THis is causing people to choose between paying full price for Windows or getting Linux at little or now charge. When you consider that the average worker here makes less than 20% what a worker makes in the US, the equasion is not very ballanced.

    So, here comes Linux on the desktop at least here. Unfortunately, I have been less than impressed with the skill of the IT workforce here (at least one network admin I met didn't know what localhost referred to :P) but this is what you get without an affordable public education system...

    Anyway, I think that the third world WILL drive Linux on the desktop adoption for some time to come.

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    1. Re:I am in Indonesia at the moment by GigsVT · · Score: 5, Insightful

      didn't know what localhost referred to :P) but this is what you get without an affordable public education system...

      That's a serious non sequitor. In my 12 years of "free" public education, I never took a class that taught anything about TCP/IP.

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    2. Re:I am in Indonesia at the moment by varjag · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's a serious non sequitor. In my 12 years of "free" public education, I never took a class that taught anything about TCP/IP.

      It taught you at least to read, write and some math, which is a prerequisite for learning any technology, but you seem to be taking it for granted.

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  6. Open Source is a good thing! by kbsingh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    About 6 years back I developed and setup a Cyber Cafe management system that ran 100% off Linux and Open Source tools.

    For developing countries like India one of the major advantages of Open Source is the Cost factor and the general commuinity based support avilable for most Open Source platforms. Added to that the fact that things work the way they are supposed to, and you have systems running for well over 60 - 80 days without the need for a reboot / support of any nature. The end result is a winning combination all the way.

    The other major advantage of investing in Open Source is that the younger generation ( who are'nt into the commercial aspects of computing as yet ) grow up and learn within a framework that encourages choice and alternatives rather than constricting you into a predesignated thought process.

    In things as they stand today, we need this kind of liberty of thought and process.

    1. Re:Open Source is a good thing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      I have just returned from 5 weeks in India (honeymoon!) and after visiting cyber cafes in just about every place I visited I am not convinced that Linux is making any headway there. I did not see a single install! And every cafe operator I spoke to had only heard of Linux but never seen it. The bottom line for them was why bother using anything other than windoze when it costs circa Rs100 (a little over $2AUD) for a pirated copy and when there is next to no enforcement of licensing.

      Sure this is merely anecdotal and YES, I was kicking myself that I did not extend my trip to get to Linux 2003 Bangalore (not real kosher on a honeymoon...) but nevertheless...

      Similarly in KL (Malaysia). Every s/w package you could imagine for PC and Mac for a mere 10 Ringit ($4AUD) per burnt disc. All sold completely in the open. In fact the tourist brochure on KL that we picked up even mentioned the Plaza (Imbi) that is renowned for selling pirated s/w, dvds et al!

  7. Imagine a world where the big expense is hardware! by Howzer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's the world that many Asian IT companies and deparments live in.

    Just think about that for a minute, and imagine how it would turn your world upside down: People are cheap - servers are expensive.

    In this environment, stuff like Linux makes even more sense than it does in "the west".

    People like TurboLinux and Red Flag Linux are all over this opportunity here in China and elsewhere in the region.

  8. Re:What's the win here? This is not because it's O by Xpilot · · Score: 5, Funny

    the reality is that vast chunks of the developing world will be dumped in 2003 with little or no sustainable technology future.

    Bill? Is that you?

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  9. Linux in Venezuela by armando_wall3 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Venezuela also adopted Open Source in its government offices like a year ago.

    I've been using Linux at home since 1995, and enjoyed every moment (even the learning, frustrating ones!); and whenever I can, I try to make my venezuelan friends become aware of GNU/Linux and Free (as in speech) Software.

    Back to work!

  10. First oficial translation of the FSF by Pope+Raymond+Lama · · Score: 4, Informative

    We were living a dilemma here in Brazil, as our law doesn't recognize a contract written in a language other than Portuguese. On the other hand, the FSF would not recognize any translation of the GPL as official.

    But now it does. As of yesterday, this article at creative commons talks about the very first official translation of the GPL into a language
    other than English. (Full text of the CC-GPL in Brazillian Portuguese is here.)

    The news I've read about it also say that there are some modifications to make the license valid according to brazillian laws, but I had no checked this so far.

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  11. reading level by thoolihan · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...software that runs network computers called "servers"

    Finally, an article that challenges me technically.
    -t

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  12. Is this really news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm currently stationed in Somalia in a physician exchange program. While they may not have the most advanced technlogy around, they offer dual-channel ISDN in the capital and dial-up access can be had in most towns.

    While piracy is rampant, most legitimate (i.e. with international connections) seem to prefer Linux due to the prohibitive costs of the MS licensing. Of course there may be some issues when exchanging documents, but these issues are minor.

    From speaking to some of the IT guys is their disbelief that we in North America still choose to spend so much money when there are low-cost options available. I guess it's why we drive SUVs and stuff our faces in all-you-can-eat buffets.

  13. Re:Imagine a world where the big expense is hardwa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Think about it further....

    I have a large number of NCD terminals I bought for my side business. 20 of these run off ONE dual P-III server. now you dont have to use ncd terminals, old Pentium 100 computers work great for this.

    now I can have one server act as 20 workstations AND a server. no extra cvosts per workstation, and cince I can use throw away hardware for workstations my costs are even lower. (I got the NCD terminals, a pallet of 144 of them for $20.00 at an auction.) if a terminal fails I throw it away, replace it with another and boot.. nothing to restore or set up again.

    this is only possible with linux+OSS. as with windows the same thing would cost many thousands as I would need 2 more servers and 2 licenses per workstation for the OS and apps to do the same thing with the same performance.

    I am selling Open source solutions based on "terminals" and linux to businesses here that the windows people can't even compete with. One Machine shop owner absolutely loves the fact that if a PC dies (rare now) nothing has to be done other than swap the workstation and the user continues to work... no call to me for a service call and having that user down for 2-3 hours. I maintain their system in a contract basis, many things I do over ssh from my home.

    not only asian companies see this as a benefit, but American businesses are seeing that it's just plain stupid to use microsoft products anymore... It's just too expensive.

  14. Re:What if SCO wins? by ajs318 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Thanks to something called "sovereignty" {the international version of "an Englishman's home is his castle"}, if a person in country A does something in country A which is not against the laws of country A but would be against the laws of country B had that person done it on country B's soil, the authorities in country B cannot take any action against that person.

    So even if the GPL is found invalid in the USA {and it can't be - read it, it's airtight} then it still carries weight in the rest of the world. If SCO are to be believed, Linux is in the public domain anyway {and thus can never be copyrighted by anyone}. But it's quite likely that, if anything enters the public domain, it will be SCO UnixWare - either by court order, or by natural lapse of copyright what with the case having dragged on for so long.

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