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Laser System to be Tested in Boulder, CO

luv_jeeps writes "Ball Aerospace is going to test fire a laser beam on Sunday night, as part of the CALIPSO project. If you live in the Colorado/Wyoming area, chances are good that you could see it. The article, a little light on details, says that the beam could be as big around as a basketball hoop."

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  1. Colorado? by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 5, Funny

    Get many sharks there?

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    1. Re:Colorado? by stendec · · Score: 4, Funny
      I'm afraid you misinterpreted the system's specifications. Nowhere is it documented that this will be a fricken-laser test; rather, it is a standard laser test.

      Difficulties involved in getting phase coherence with fricken photons has yet to be resolved, but they're working on it.

  2. Someone has to say it. . . by atc24 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Stop humping the laser!

  3. I think it be cool by RedHatLinux · · Score: 5, Funny
    when this laser hits a house full of popcorn and totally ends the evil professor's dream of a super weapon.

    Yeah I actually did watch a Val Kilmer film, But I was young so please forgive me :)

  4. Caution by corrie · · Score: 5, Funny

    From the article:

    "The company has taken special precautions to protect aircraft and birds that might fly into the beam."

    I hope all those ducks got the memo.

    1. Re:Caution by EmagGeek · · Score: 5, Funny

      "special nets have been placed below the path of the beam to catch the falling roast duck, to protect it from being splattered on the interstate"

      I think that's what they meant...

      How the F! do you protect birds that might fly into the beam?

    2. Re:Caution by penguinoid · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That is what the radar is for. I'm not sure if it is a conventional radar, or if they send a beam of weaker light surrounding the beam and turn it off if something reflects the light back.

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    3. Re:Caution by mcc · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just remember: The inescapable progress of science is not only ultimately beneficial to mankind. It's also delicious!

      Let's just hope that they remembered to set aside an appropriate amount of funding in the grant for plum sauce.

  5. yeah, sure by arabagast · · Score: 4, Funny

    "If you see a piercing green light shooting into the sky Sunday night, it's not aliens, it's the work of scientists at Ball Aerospace.".. That`s what they want us to believe! Do not go with strange green men into theyr flying saucers on sunday - they are NOT going to give you candy as they surely will tell you .

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  6. Next week's headline by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 4, Funny

    British secret agent in Denver!Witnesses say he drives a cool car with lots of gadgets. Single women beware!

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    1. Re:Next week's headline by RealProgrammer · · Score: 4, Funny
      This just in:
      (UPI) Sources for Bell Aerospace insist their demands for "one million dollars" have been met, but they will fire the "giant laser" anyway. The White House could not be reached before press time.
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  7. tape it please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    will some kind person in Colorado video tape this event and put up a torrent for it.

    Please :)

    1. Re:tape it please by Smitedogg · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I live in Pueblo, south of Colorado Springs, and saw the laser test. I had no clue what it was, and didn't get a chance to film it. I can say, though, that it was a very bizarre sight. I had no clue what it was until I saw this on /.

      Dogg

  8. laser article by e_lehman · · Score: 5, Funny
    The article, a little light on details...

    Hehehehehe! Hoo-whee! You guys really crack me up...

  9. A week later.... by insmod_ex · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...sixteen people reported blind by staring at the laser. Theyll be pulling a SCO and suing the United States for making Colorado a state and thus allowing the laser test to go on. Anyone up for a game of laser tag? :D

  10. One thing in Colorado's favour... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 4, Funny

    They have lots of mountains that could be hollowed out to make ideal bad-guy secret lairs.

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    1. Re:One thing in Colorado's favour... by corbettw · · Score: 5, Funny

      They have lots of mountains that could be hollowed out to make ideal bad-guy secret lairs.

      There's already one there.

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  11. Re:Question... kinda.... star trek reference... by DAldredge · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The one that begins with the letter L is real.

    The other is from a fiction TV show.

  12. The Allan Parson's Project, Phase 1 by The+Spanish+Ninja · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It'd be interesting to see some technical specs on this giant laser, to see how similar it is to the cutting laser I used to work on. I bet that baby takes about 12 hours to warm up. Anyone know what the frequency on the green beam is? C'mon people, get technical! Also, all you people in that area: take pictures!

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    1. Re:The Allan Parson's Project, Phase 1 by Idarubicin · · Score: 4, Informative
      From this NASA page, the CALIPSO laser is identified as a Nd:YAG, diode-pumped, Q-switched laser. The repetition rate is 20 Hz, and the operating wavelengths are 1064 nm (infrared) and the frequency-doubled 532 nm (visible, green.)

      There's a PDF here that describes the prototype laser as delivering 110 mJ per pulse. At 20 pulses per second, that's about 2 watts average power--but of course the peak power in each (short) pulse will be much higher.

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  13. prepare to be scanned by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This test in Colorado points a laser from the ground to the sky. The deployment is a satellite platform to measure the atmosphere. Will the deployed laser be pointed at the surface? Will their autoshutoff radar detectors protect us from the sweep of its beam?

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  14. See Infrared? by Hungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    First the laser isn't going to scatter that much and second it is infrared making it a bit hard to see with the naked eye.

    from the post
    "If you live in the Colorado/Wyoming area, chances are good that you could see it."

    from the data on the sat:
    "Part of NASA's Earth System Science Pathfinder program, Cloud-Aerosol Lidar and Infrared Pathfinder Satellite Observations (CALIPSO), is a mission dedicated to studying the impact that clouds and aerosols have on the Earth's radiation balance."

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    1. Re:See Infrared? by p3tersen · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually (from the project info page):

      Ball will provide an active sensor that probes the atmosphere with green and infrared laser light

      They're using IR (almost certainly 1064 nm) and green (almost certainly 532 nm) beams.

    2. Re:See Infrared? by Karrots · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes the Satellite may have Infared on it but it also has Lidar which is Laser Radar. My local university has a lidar setup (or the green beam as its called around here). See the Utah State University link below.

      Its used for atmospheric observations.

      Utah State University - This page seems to be down at the moment
      University of Western Ontario - Here is another University with one

  15. Re:Birds? by p3tersen · · Score: 5, Informative
    I also wonder if this laser is powerfull enough to fry a bird.


    The article says it's "about 40,000 times more powerful than a laser pointer", and 40k*5mW=200 watts. Since the beam diameter is "the size of a basketball hoop", nothing would be bursting into flames, although serious eye damage - to birds or pilots - could result.

    Although come to think of it, for a LIDAR application I guess the beam is probably pulsed, so the situation is a bit more complicated. At any rate there's a safety shutoff mechanism as someone else pointed out.
  16. The 12:00 News by The+Spanish+Ninja · · Score: 5, Funny

    And our top story this hour, the RIAA has commandeered Aerospace's big laser and has started frying mp3 downloaders. When reached for comment, they told us "The lawsuits just weren't inspiring the right kind of fear."

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  17. Re:Question... kinda.... star trek reference... by EverDense · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Maybe not. This article is fairly old, I wonder how much further along they are:

    Phaser

    A ray gun that can stop people in their tracks without harming them may sound like science fiction, but some experts believe it could soon be reality.

    The gun is designed to zap its victim with an electric current, using a laser to carry the charge along a beam of ultraviolet light.

    The light particles, called photons, would create a path through the air that will be capable of conducting electricity up to a distance of about 100 metres (330 feet).

    When the current hits someone, it would interfere with the tiny electrical charges that control the victim's muscles, making movement impossible.

    Vital organs protected

    But vital organs like the heart and diaphram would not be affected because they are protected by a greater thickness of body tissue.

    Corinne Podger of BBC Science: "The stuff of science fiction". Weapons that freeze muscles are already on sale in the United States, but in order to work they have to be held against the victim's skin. They also have to be recharged after each use.

    Apart from having a considerable range, the new 'freeze ray gun' could in theory be fired around corners if mirrors were used. It could also have a constant power source.

    Talks in California

    The gun is the brainchild of American inventor, Eric Herr, vice-president of HSV technologies. Scientists from the UK's Defence Evaluation Research Agency have already been to California to discuss it with him.

    No details of the discussions have been disclosed, but a spokesman for the UK Ministry of Defence said the weapon's potential uses were being considered.

    So far, Mr Herr's ray gun remains just an idea. He has taken out a patent on the device, but has yet to raise the $500,000 needed to build a full working prototype.

    'Ideal weapon'

    Initially, the 'freeze ray' could be the size of a small suitcase, but might eventually be reduced to something more like a flashlight.

    Mr Herr believes it could be an ideal weapon for peace-keeping forces, or police facing violent criminals.

    But already the project has its critics. They argue that such a laser would be impractical in many situations, and could easily damage the sight of innocent by-standers.


    Link to HSV Tech

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  18. Those damn scientific standards... by michiel.h · · Score: 5, Funny

    A basketballhoop? That's what? (1/15)*Volkswagen Beetle?

    I'm Dutch. We play soccer, not basketball.
    Insensitive clods.

  19. Too many scifi movies by SuperBanana · · Score: 5, Informative
    This is, after all, what one hears when a lightning bolt strikes.

    The "common laser pointer" they talk about is one milliwatt(mW). That means their laser is 40W, common in industrial laser applications.

    A lightning bolt contains roughly enough power to light an entire city for a second or two; it's about a million volts, and about 10,000 amps on average. That's a -trillion- watts. We're talking a MINOR difference in scale here, my friend. A lightning bolt makes a noise because it turns the air around it into superhot plasma, along with any moisture(which expands thousands of times its original volume when vaporized).

    If the satellite were to receive that much energy, it'd explode instantaneously, and no, you -wouldn't- hear it, it's in SPACE, there's no AIR, so there's no SOUND- just wanted to get that straightened out, since you seem to have slept through most of your high school and college science classes.

    I cannot -believe- the parent got modded up...

    1. Re:Too many scifi movies by soloport · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So this must be pure science fiction? And this research is also fiction, then? If not, then laser energy can superheat air and cause sound problems. Why would it be so ridiculous for me to think a laser the size of a basketball hoop might not have the same effect? (Of course, if I had RTFA more carefully, I might have seen the energy reference -- you're right, it's small-scale.)

      Why does air have to be turned into "superhot plasma" to make a sonic boom? A supersonic jet doesn't superheat air, per se, it displaces it. A nighthawk doesn't superheat the air, but produces a sonic boom with its tailfeathers.

      And since when did anyone say anything about outer space? The event is happening in Colorado. (Not far from outer space, actually, but...)

      And you don't have to be a jerk about how incredibly knowledgeable you are -- we get it without the barbs.

    2. Re:Too many scifi movies by jelle · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "it'd explode instantaneously, and no, you -wouldn't- hear it, it's in SPACE, there's no AIR, so there's no SOUND-"

      Actually, if you would be looking at the satellite in space and see it explode, you would very much hear it. While it is true that the near absence of air means that a person would not hear any sound from a shockware that travels through the air, but from the explosion that person would very well hear the many high-velocity particles ticking, and thunking against his/her vessel. If you have experienced any explosions of significance, or have enough imagination, you will know what kind of rain of particles I'm talking about. Just a week ago, astronauts were shaken up by a sound that probably was produced by such a space particle. So you would hear the explosion in space, just differently than on earth.

      Now about the no air - no sound thing: Things like "there is no sound in space" that they teach kids in high school are ususally oversimplified or just plain wrong. Did you know that black holes actually emit sounds?

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  20. Re:RTFA by dpbsmith · · Score: 4, Informative

    "The laser system is equipped with radar that will shut down the system in the event that an object is about to enter the laser beam."

    How does it work? Does it work? I don't know, but those are the precautions they say they've taken.

  21. Re:Birds? by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 5, Funny

    I get the part about aircraft, but how will they protect the birds?

    This from a country which just finished eating 45 million turkeys?

  22. Re:LASER ? by Dyslexicon · · Score: 5, Informative

    you're thinking of red lasers. Red light passes through air much better than the higher frequencies (blue, green, yellow, etc). A great example of this is the color of the sky. Light from the sun passing through the atmosphere has its blue components scattered much more readily than the lower freqency components, so you see the sky as being blue. When the sun is rising/setting you see the sky as red because red light isn't scattered well the red light that reaches your eyes is much more intense

    so, why are these people using green light that they know will be scattered? Because that's exactly what tells us stuff about the atmosphere!how much was scattered at position x compared to position y? how much was scattered at time t1 as compared to time t2?

    The pollution causes more light to be scattered, for sure, but that's not WHY you see the light. Rest easy :)

  23. 2 cool lasers... by jpellino · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...I remember were (1) the excimer laser that was tested in the first star wars attempts, reagan era - they rolled a clip on the CBS evening news that showed a Titan II boilerplate launch vehicle on a pad, they fire the excimer at it, the middle third of this (100 ft tall, 10 ft diam) sucker disappears and the top 3rd of the Titan falls down on the bottom third.

    Gulp.

    Then there's (2) the shuttle-based LIDAR, which actually shoots a laser from the open shuttle bay to the ground, and ranges the distance to the ground, to sub-meter accuracy / 1-10 cm precision. This means a pretty darn bright laser is shot at the ground and typically ranges the tallest thing it finds - they hope for canopy for land cover work, but in an open area, it might be you. NASA usually told people it was "like radar" which it is in its methods...

    but it uses laser light.

    So somewhere tucked into the mission materials for the shuttle flights that contained it is a cute little disclaimer telling you that yes, it is a laser and yes, it could conceivably pass right over you and yes, if you looked up right into the path of the lidar you could get hurt - so FER CHRISSAKE DO NOT LOOK DIRECTLY INTO THE SHUTTLE BAY LASER AS IT PASSES DIRECTLY OVERHEAD or words to that effect. But they put them somewhere where it was legally required, buit they did not pass out press materials that said a giant space laser might be shot at your house sometime in the next two weeks... they traded full disclosure for widespread panic.

    That plus the innumerable people who would JUST HAFTA go outside armed with jpass and JUST HAFTA look right up the barrel... like looking in the garden hose to find out why the water ain't coming out. Here's your sign.

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  24. Re:RTFA by flewp · · Score: 4, Funny

    and the aerography guys know what's fowl and what's weather

    But what about..... FOWL WEATHER??!!!

    Sorry. It *had* to be said. Whether it needed to be said out loud, well, that's another story.

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