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SETI Project Scientist Discusses Prospects

An anonymous reader writes "Today Astrobiology Magazine interviewed SETI@home Project Scientist, Dan Wertheimer, about subjects including the first detailed 'best of SETI' candidate reobservations for repeating telescope acquisition on the most promising 166 star candidates. Their policy is not to release precise sky coordinates on the best ones yet (so far a signal called SHGb11+15a), with this type of Gaussian signal shape. The candidates number some 400 million Gaussians and 5.7 billion spikes."

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  1. Re:Did I find one? by zeux · · Score: 5, Informative

    They do.

    here.

    Click on each of the signals.

  2. Re:I used to run seti@home by QuasiCoLtd · · Score: 5, Informative

    Try upwards of 25%! On my 1.6GHz Win XP machine with screen saver client it would take approx. 20 hours for one WU. With command line that number is reduced to 4 hours. I haven't tested a pure Linux command line yet (no X server running).

  3. A clue-in for the people who modded 'informative': by TDScott · · Score: 3, Informative

    that's not SHGb11+15a...

    that's the sound of the signal from Contact.

    Spooked me a little before I realised what it was, though.

  4. Re:I wish they would release the data by Space+cowboy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes, it's a real radio telescope - they're pretty simple beasts really. Big dish, tuned receiver at the right frequency (or a frequency-converter, and a normal radio receiver), and a computer at the other end.

    I use a WinRadio (despite the name, it's a universal box :-) external receiver tuned to the Water Hole frequencies (the gap between the OH line and the H2 line in the radio spectrum, at around 1420 MHz - pretty typical for radio astronomy, it's a relatively quiet part of the spectrum.

    Simon

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  5. Re:An excellent point from Ray Kurweil by mprinkey · · Score: 5, Informative

    A "pea" travelling at 90% of the speed of light contains a lot of kinetic energy. Say, 0.01 grams for the pea at 2.7e8 m/s. That works out to 7.3e11 J. That is about the same energy as exploding 175 tons of TNT per pea.

    Set aside the issue of engineering the "peashooter" to fire them, you are talking about throwing some potentially destructive material at a neighboring star system. Firing them continuously looks like you intentially want to hit something. I think this might be a bad idea from a "just saying hello" viewpoint.

  6. Re:Copyright on the Data by kramer · · Score: 4, Informative

    No.

    You can't copyright something you didn't write. Not counting works for hire and such -- but if they're claiming that they have aliens in far away galaxies working for them, they've got worse problems than copyright infringement.

  7. Re:SETI is looking for the wrong thing by javatips · · Score: 3, Informative

    Your argument are full of crap.

    It's quite easy, even with a transmition over multiple frequencies, to detect that you have an artficial signal at frequency X. You may have are really hard time deconding it, but the transmition will still be very easy to detect.

    When you yak on your cell phone, I may have a difficult time to capture and decrypt everything (especially if I have no prior knowledge on how the tramsition is done) but I will have no trouble locating you because of all the carrier signal you emit that don't look like any natural phenonema.

    SETI is not trying to decrypt any signal, they are just trying to find if some signal appear artificial.

    You really have a bad understanding of what SETI is looking for.

  8. Re:I wish they would release the data by jridley · · Score: 4, Informative

    In fact, you don't even need a dish. The first radio telescopes were just dipoles. You can google around and find tons of descriptions of how to build radio telescopes on the cheap. It's particularly easy now with computers interfaced to radios.

  9. We can't "see" planets very well yet by ianscot · · Score: 4, Informative
    The more than 100 known extrasolar planets are mostly whoppers, 'cause we're mostly still looking for cases in which a planet's big enough to cause the light coming from a star to wobble. (Exceptions involve cases like Vega -- it's got a dust field around it, and the computer models say the best explanation for how that dust looks is a Neptune-sized planet in about Neptune's orbit. Again, it's a planet discovered indirectly, by inferring things about its gravity.)

    None of the known extrasolar planets are supposed to be particularly good candidates for life, though that Vega case maybe indicates a solar system a little like ours, with rocky planets in the interior orbits... or that's the speculation.

    We've still got a ways to go in refining our way of just looking for the things. To narrow any search based on them would be premature.

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  10. Re:used to do it. found better causes by osu-neko · · Score: 3, Informative
    compressed and encrypted data would just look like noise and probably wouldn't stand out.

    This is false, and a confusion of data from transmission. Compressed data does in fact look fairly random (in fact, the less random it looks, the poorer your compression is). However, the only way to get the random data is to decipher the transmission, which is bloody obvious and would stand out like a sore thumb. Assuming what you're saying is true, we'll receive signals we have no hope of deciphering, but they will not look natural by any means. The data is random, but the transmission that carries that random data will look quite unlike white noise or anything of the sort.

    Look at it this way: if an ancient civilization had stopped chiseling plain text on stone tablets and started chiseling compressed data streams, we would look at the compressed data and have no hope of ever understanding the message. But we wouldn't look at the symbols chiselled on the rock and say, "I don't understand this message, it must be natural phenomenon."

    If you broadcast compressed and encrypted data by radio, or heck, if your broadcast a stream of random bits, it's still every bit as obvious as the chiseled stone tablets. Your "small 'hearable' window" is in fact huge. We would be able to hear the transmissions just fine. We just won't understand what they're saying.

    But at that point, we just send them an unencrypted, easy to understand signal, and wait for a response. (We might even get one before they get ours, as they may be doing the same thing we are and have already detected our untranslatable babble and want clarification...)

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  11. LiNRADiO by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 3, Informative

    Universal box, but what do you use to gather and present your data? The digital suite that is sold seems to be only for windows.

    Like most things worth having, a solution will eventually present itself, especially on Linux. There is a Linux, open source, solution in the form of Linradio. Enjoy.

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