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First Xouvert Milestone Released

Posted by timothy on from the will-it-rock-your-world dept.

An anonymous reader writes " The first milestone of xouvert, the X-server replacement has been released. Xouvert includes MAS giving the X server its very own sound server. Nice. :) Also, just noticed that enlightenment quietly released an update to the 0.16 series. " (Here's a link to the Xouvert download page.)

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  1. Xouvert is... by roalt · · Score: 5, Informative

    For the non-french speaking under you: Xouvert means "X open".

  2. One of the most important things here by James_Duncan8181 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Xouvert represents far more then merely tranparent windows etc, it represents a move to a more recognisable OSS model of working. XFree86 is charterised by a fairly closed development process, long patch intergration times, and close control by the steering group. I am greatly looking forward to seeing a true open source methodolgy accelerate development.

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    1. Re:One of the most important things here by evilviper · · Score: 5, Funny
      long patch intergration times, and close control by the steering group. I am greatly looking forward to seeing a true open source methodolgy accelerate development.

      Yeah, me too. I always hated how mostly stable XFree86 is, and how I don't have to upgrade every week to the lastest version. Thank goodness someone figured out a solution to that problem!
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  3. sounds nice by axxackall · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Xouvert includes MAS giving the X server its very own sound server. Nice. :)

    Just nice? It's excelent! This is the biggest X Windowing achievement since first actual implementation of X Windows.

    It is in human nature to assotiate visual and audio information in the process of percepting it. Therefore video without audio mean seriously broken usability. That's why I think all these years X Windows has been developed in essentially wrong direction. The made in recent XFree86 versions transparency, which is really just a candy, while so important prime functionality was missed all the time.

    I am really happy that MAS in Xouvert now. I am going to switch to Xouvert as soon as possible. Good-bye, XFree86 - thank you for keeping me in the void silence all these years.

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    1. Re:sounds nice by boaworm · · Score: 5, Funny

      I am really happy that MAS in Xouvert now

      Now they just have to rename the project to XMas and everyone will be happy :-)

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    2. Re:sounds nice by t_hunger · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The idea is that you start up MAS instead of whichever Networking sound solution you are using now. MAS is a stand alone server taht can run without X... in fact there are others you could use, but then MAS was developed with professional audio and video conferencing in mind (both needing low latencies) and MAS is has a solid suport from the X consortium behind it. Both are thing I most alternatives can not claim for themselves.

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  4. How's this going to work with KDE/gnome etc? by carnivore302 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Xouvert has its own sound engine, MAS. If Xouvert catches on, does this mean that the sound engines of KDE and gnome will become obsolete, or will they collide with MAS?

    If they collide, it basically means that KDE and gnome will have to support both X11 and Xouvert. I'm not sure if that is achievable. On the other hand, if they don't collide what's the use of MAS? I'm pretty happy with the way it works now. So I'll then continue working without MAS.

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    1. Re:How's this going to work with KDE/gnome etc? by Amiga+Lover · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If Xouvert catches on, does this mean that the sound engines of KDE and gnome will become obsolete, or will they collide with MAS?

      There's a few places Linux has failed miserably for me as a desktop, and consistent audio has been one. If I get KDE audio working, six other non KDE apps suddenly go silent, If I get those working, KDE audio apps error on me. Same story sadly. Now, perhaps it's just me not knowing what to futz around with, but to repeat a cliche, "I shouldn't have to do that".

      Perhaps kernel level device sharing would work, but I don't know if adding another sound engine would help much

  5. Re:What the Linux and BSD world really needs... by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 5, Informative

    Already in progress at Freedesktop.org, thanks to the awesome Keith Packard. There's Cairo for vector graphics rendering and some unnamed project for double buffered/transparent/warpable windows (and yes there are screenshots, click the link!). Freedesktop.org is rapidly becoming host to many projects that are innovating in the Linux desktop arena. Check out some of the other software hosted there. Of particular interest (to me at least) is D-BUS combined with HAL.

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  6. Please mod parent DOWN. by reality-bytes · · Score: 5, Informative

    As said before this guy appears *not* to be a Dev on the Xouvert project.

    Have a read through some of his previous posts on other topics.

    Thanks.

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  7. Re:The things people complain about X... by 10Ghz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We don't complain about X, we complain about Xfree.

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  8. Re:The things people complain about X... by SQLz · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, you could have read the Xouvert FAQ before posting to educate yourself on what they actually plan on improving. That way, you wound't sound like you have no idea what you are talking about. Anyway, from the FAQ:

    2.5) So why is X so slow on my machine if not for network transparency?

    Yes, XFree86 /can/ be slow, especially on uniprocessor machines, but network transparency is NOT at fault. More common culprits appear to be toolkits, video drivers, and font rendering/render. Render really needs to DMA driven. Right now it pulls bits from the framebuffer using the CPU which with PCI is abysmally slow.

  9. Re:The things people complain about X... by mark_lybarger · · Score: 5, Interesting

    why, oh why does this ctrl-alt-+ ctrl-alt-minus keep coming up everytime someone mentions they want to change their desktop resolution?

    to a user, this doesn't change the resolution. it seems more like a zoom in, zoom out feature. great if you need to zoom in/out. but if you want to change resolution, you're not going to find it here. a user would want to be in a 1024x768 resolution, have a browser window maximized, and change the resolution to 800x600 and still see that window maximized (and have that entire window displayd on the monitor w/o having to move their mouse around).

    maybe XFree86 could go a step further than implementing a Microsoft change resolution feature. give the ability to have different resolutions on different virtual desktops. that's where it gets close to window manager implementation to me. it would be nice to have one virtual desktop with 800x600 resolution, and one with 1024x768 or what ever the user prefereances are. it would be nice if XFree86 could give each window the ability to be shown it its own resolution.