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Police and Lawyers Love E-ZPass

John_Schmidt writes "The AP is reporting that police are using EZ-Pass records to solve crimes. Lawyers are also getting the records to use in divorce cases. The article also mentions that the NYS Thruway has sensors to read the cards along the highway (not just at toll booths) but says the data is scrambled and not stored."

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  1. How soon.. by Joe+U · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How soon before:

    You passed between milepost 1 and 15 in under 6 minutes, here's your speeding ticket.

    1. Re:How soon.. by ewhenn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Then the real question is how long until I peel that bitch right off of my windshield.

      Answer: Not long at all.

    2. Re:How soon.. by garcia · · Score: 4, Insightful

      maybe for now. Just wait until there is a single tollbooth with a real person and the rest are EZ-Pass.

    3. Re:How soon.. by pizzaman100 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      You passed between milepost 1 and 15 in under 6 minutes, here's your speeding ticket.

      That means you're doing over 150 miles per hour. You deserve a ticket. :)

    4. Re:How soon.. by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Insightful
      > You passed between milepost 1 and 15 in under 6 minutes, here's your speeding ticket.

      That would make it highly obvious to criminals that everyone was being tracked. Criminals would cease using EZ-Pass.

      A properly designed mass surveillance systems must be unobtrusive; you have to give the target the illusion that he or she is not being monitored. If the target is aware they're being tracked, they'll modify their behavior to "look good" for the cameras.

      Whether you're more concerned about property rights or nonintrusive government, consider that as implemented, the EZ-Pass tracking system is one where the designers and participating governments have chosen to pass up the huge revenue from 10000 speeders a day, and they did so in order to increase the odds that the sonofabitch who stole your car last week gets nailed to the wall the instant he hits the interstate. Dude, that's a feature, not a bug!

    5. Re:How soon.. by thirdrock · · Score: 4, Insightful


      "Speed check by Radar"
      "Unmarked patrol cars"
      "Speed check from Aircraft"


      How is "Speed check by EZPass" much different?

      It's different because it doesn't require any effort on the part of the Government. Meaning it is the start of a slippery slope towards an automated police state. Machines just do what they are programmed to do without regard to individual circumstance, and without being able to offer any assistance in true emergencies (like rushing someone to the hospital).

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  2. Freedom of Choice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Convenience? Privacy?
    Convenience? Privacy?

    Decisions, decisions.

  3. License plate cameras by phr1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    An awful lot of tollbooths also have license plate cameras, so who needs EZpass? Maybe they're just going to analog video recordings for now, but one assumes the license plate images are easy to OCR and that can be done in real time soon enough. I'm sure I could easily do it with a webcam. Of course once all tires have RFID, then every magnetic traffic light sensor and parking meter can have RFID readers built in.

  4. Re:INVASION OF PRIVACY by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is even worse than having to have a LICENSE PLATE! I don't want anyone else, (LET ALONE POLICE!) knowing who I am.

    I realize you meant that as a joke, but some of us don't want our whereabouts known at every second of every day. This has nothing to do with paranoia (beyond the standard healthy dose), or a penchant for illegal activities. I just don't want my every move tracked.

    Also, realize that this has a huge potential for abuse... I go through a toll perhaps once a month. If I had one of these EZ Passes (or the local equivalent, the TransPass), I would not notice for up to a month if someone stole it and had earned me quite a bit of debt. Now, even aside from the bill, what happens when my TransPass record for the past month shows me regularly visiting a mistress, or a crime scene, or some other place I've never gone, all because someone thought ahead of time to cover their tracks and use a stolen TransPass? Yeah, suuuuuuure the police/divorce-attourney will believe someone nabbed by pass and I just didn't notice...

    This boils down to the classic argument about speed cameras - they don't prove a driver, just a vehicle. Although some may justify the inconvenience (personally, I find it reprehensible) of getting a ticket after loaning out your car to a friend, the situation goes from "annoyance" to potentially "pound-me-in-the-ass-prison" or "lose-everything-to-ex-wifey" when records like these suffice as "evidence" of the actual driver in court. I do not consider that even remotely acceptible, nor should any of us.

  5. Get a clue. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Insightful

    (or they'd make political hay from mandating a no-evil-uses-with-EZPass policy, but this is Slashdot, so we all just assume a police state is inevitable, right?)

    Ahh yes, our dear Slashdot, where tinfoil is headwear and 1984 is the bible.


    Rent a clue.

    People organize and strive to obtain more control over their environment. That tendency includes both governments obtaining more control over their citizens/subjects and citizens/subjects defending themselves against such control.

    But institutional groups (such as governments) tend to go on for a long time, accumulating ever more power, while individuals are replaced from time to time. So if nothing is done about it the tendency will be for governments to accumulate ever more power, and become ever more oppressive, until they become so tyrannical that they're attacked from within and/or without and eventually overthrown (which may end up with an even worse situation).

    The founders of this country recognized that tendency of government to accumulate ever more power. They prescribed a system of institutional restraints. But, because the government would eventual work its way around it, they ALSO prescribed ongoing watchfulness by the citizenry, so they can use NON-violent means to back the government off before it goes so far that only violent means will work. "Eternal Vigilance is the price of Liberty."

    Which is EXACTLY what is going on now: New tech makes for new opportunity for spying and oppression. The government starts using it because there's no specific rule against it and it helps them "do their jobs". Eventually the citizens catch on and raise a ruckus. Sometimes this ruckus results in the creation of specific rules to suppress the misuse and restore the status quo ante (or even improve on it).

    Slashdot is all about new uses of technology. "News for Nerds, Stuff that Matters." And what matters more than government misuse of new tech to oppress the citizens?

    So of COURSE it shows up here. Of COURSE it makes up a significant fraction of the news items. Anybody can post, but ordinary citizens greatly outnumber the elite controllers. So of COURSE the bulk of the voices are against the new misuses of technology.

    No tinfoil hats required.

    This is a very healthy process. It's exactly what the founders of the country prescribed, to keep the country from developing into a tyranny and prosperity from degenerating into civil war.

    Ridiculing the people criticizing the government's misuse of technology is NOT "conducive to these ends". But it does tell us something about the ridiculer:

    Either he's a fool -

    or he's on the wrong side.

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    1. Re:Get a clue. by The+Original+Atrox · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nicely put sir, I wish we had more posters as informed. It is truely alarming how few people in this nation even realize the Constitution was primarily limitations on the government, not limitations on the citizens... as it is often interpreted today. Even less feel obligated to take any sort of action, but thankfully, as you pointed out, a good many of us feel the need, and fufill it, to atleast get our voices heard, through this public moderated media that /. has created, wisely, for this amung many other reasons. Continue to post bravely sir, and keep up the good work!

      Atrox

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  6. Ruling Innocent Men by ticklemeozmo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "There is no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to track down criminials. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so things to be a crime that it is impossible to live without breaking any laws."

    -- Ayn Rand, "Atlas Shrugged"

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  7. Re:My '94 Escort by pmc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I consider my driving habits private

    Interesting, as driving is done in a public place.