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Would Ansel Adams Have Gone Digital?

Roland Piquepaille writes "After viewing photographs by Christopher Burkett, which are not digitally manipulated, Peter Lewis wondered what place have digital cameras and image manipulations in the art of photography. And a question hit his mind. If Ansel Adams, one of the most famous photographers of the 20th century, was still alive, would have he gone digital? Lewis talked at great length with Richard LoPinto, vice president for SLR camera systems at Nikon Inc. to find an answer. And guess what? LoPinto thinks Ansel Adams would have loved digital cameras. The article also discusses digital camera resolution and the future for film camera sales. This overview contains more details and a small photograph by Christopher Burkett."

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  1. An Environmentalist will choose digital by ericspinder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ansel Adams was above all a environmentalist, probally more so than a photographer. Do you know the kind of chemicals needed to make a roll of film into a negitive? Just the enviromental savings from the lack of processing would have given him a reason to use digital.

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    1. Re:An Environmentalist will choose digital by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'm sure the battery that runs the digital camera has at lest 3x as many chemicals and at least 2x the volume of chemicals are used in the manufacuring process.

    2. Re:An Environmentalist will choose digital by Artifex · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Just the enviromental savings from the lack of processing would have given him a reason to use digital.


      Beyond this, making those pictures took a long time and the results were very fragile. As he was going into unspoiled areas, toting all the supplies for his work must have been a burden he'd have gladly given up for a couple of professional level digital cameras, a solar recharger, and some rugged storage media.

      Plus, can you imagine how disappointed he was every time he climbed back down off some precipice where he may have photographed a rare event, and went and developed the images, and they were screwed up? And even if they each came out perfect, at some point (a lot sooner than with digital) he'd run out of plates and chemicals, and have to stop.
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    3. Re:An Environmentalist will choose digital by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If he wanted the quality that digital cameras would have given he would most likely be seeing his work in Medium format. Most of the time he shot in 8x10 or higher which will often will show more detail then what your eye sees. It's really quite amazing.

    4. Re:An Environmentalist will choose digital by phliar · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Ansel Adams was above all a environmentalist ...

      Really? Are you sure you don't mean John Muir?

      Really? Have you looked into a Google search for the beginnings of the Sierra Club? Why do you think that one of the larger wilderness areas in the Sierra Nevada is named The Ansel Adams Wilderness?

      Was there an alternative to the Cadillac with the platform on the roof? You want to take an 8x10 view camera into the hills, that's what you do. It's not like he was using it for vanity, like the current posers who buy stupid shit like Navigators and Hummers for trips to the corner store.

      On his being an artist, you'll get no disagreement with me.

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  2. Prints by TrippTDF · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm sure it will all wind up being digital, but there will be those die-hard people that will never change. (Like Charlie Chaplan refused to use films with sound, and didn't think it was an appropriate art form.) However, the nature of a print totally changes. It's a big deal to have an original print of a photo, one that's done from the negative. How is this going to effect the monetary value of the photos? For the record, I didn't RTFA. It might be answered in the article. (At least I'm honest.)

  3. No freaking way by OldBen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ansel Adams was all about the integrity and subtlety of the medium. In his day, he railed against the use of resin-coated photographic papers (which he referred to as "plastic papers"), because they didn't produce an image with the same purity and subtlety as one printed on fibre based paper (as any photographer can tell you).

    Everyone has seen Adams coffee table books, but one has only to stand in front of an actual Adams print to see that there is a quality to his prints that cannot be reproduced by even the highest quality methods of reproduction. Even if you're jaded by overexposure to Adams books and calendars (as I am), it is breathtaking to see his work in person.

    Richard LoPinto is trying to sell digital SLRs for Nikon. Frankly, I think it is a disrespect for him to speculate that Adams would have anything to do with a digital camera, or any digital process.

    1. Re:No freaking way by OS24Ever · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would agree that the digital PRINTING process is flawed still and can't reproduce a lot things that a film print can, but the CAPTURE process is quite advanced.

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  4. He used Polaroid by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Insightful
    He was commissioned by Polaroid to do large-format Polaroid instant film work. The photos from that commission are well known, and there was no railing about the medium even though Polaroid prints had to be hand-coated.

    I think he would have gone digital.

    Bruce

  5. Oh, for the love of Pete. by sammy+baby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "At great length?"

    "Considering his typical tendency to use high-quality, large-format cameras and his desire that it be handy and convenient, I suspect he would be attracted to our D100, for its size and versatility and overall digital image quality.

    And while waiting for the perfect shot, he'd enjoy an cool, refreshing Coca-Cola(tm)!

    Give me a break, people. This was a puff piece.

  6. Its not the medium, its the artist by lcsjk · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It's the artist that makes the picture, not the medium. I have had a camera for 45 years and have never achieved close to the fame that Ansel Adams had. Just having a shiney new paint bucket does not make you a "Monet" quality artist.

    Ansel spent countless hours in the darkroom to "manipulate" his pictures. THat included choosing print paper type, exposure time, dodging (making an area lighter or darker) and the list goes on and on. If he had had a digital camera to match the resolution of his film camera, he would probably have been overjoyed. However, it seems that neither Canon or Kodak with their 13 and 15 megapixel cameras have come close to the resolution of the large negative cameras, so Ansel would probably still be using film!

  7. The Digital Darkroom by DeadBugs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A quote from a recent PBS documentary:

    "He manipulated the work tremendously in the darkroom. He always said that the negative is the equivalent of the composer's score and the print is the equivalent of the conductor's performance, and the same piece of Mozart is conducted differently, performed differently, by different orchestras, different conductors, and Ansel performed his own negatives differently. ...I don't know, half or forty percent of the creative process occurred in the darkroom...."

    I could only imagine what Ansel Adams could do with Photoshop!

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  8. Ansel Adams was about control by regen · · Score: 4, Insightful
    AA was all about previsuallization and control. He developed an exposure and development system call the Zone system to allow him to accurately produce the images he would previsualize.

    Although, he would love the post processing ability of photoshop to manipulate faint details in a image, I think he would have been very unhappy about the limited dynamic range of digital.

    I think he would have still used film for the contrast control not present in digital. Once digital cameras are developed with better contrast control he would begin to use them.

  9. Source of the Opinion by MyHair · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have no idea if Ansel Adams would have used digital, but I wouldn't go asking an officer of a camera manufacturer if Adams would have bought new equipment if I wanted an objective opinion. (Disclaimer: I didn't RTFA)

    Ansel Adams is well known for large format very high resolution imagery; I doubut he would have achieved the same results with today's cutting edge equipment.

  10. This article was a giant advertisement by Cecil · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "So, Ansel Adams, yeah, I think he'd love it,' LoPinto said.

    End of story, begin ad copy.

    And that leads to the hypothetical question, which Nikon digital camera would Ansel Adams use?

    "Considering his typical tendency to use high-quality, large-format cameras and his desire that it be handy and convenient, I suspect he would be attracted to our D100, for its size and versatility and overall digital image quality."


    And it goes on and on like that. Gross. If I wanted advertisements posing as stories I'd go read Gamespy reviews.

  11. Who cares if Ansel Adams would go digital! by signifier-signified · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He is dead. His work is art history now. Don't get me wrong, as a former photographer, a university level computer based art teacher, and large museum, I respect his work.

    The simple truth is that he was a product of his time and that time was glass and emulsion. Yes thats right, glass. He started out shooting as someone who has hung Ansel Adams work in a photos on glass plates. Later he changed technologies and shot on the flexible film we all use today. Ultimately his time has past.

    Were Ansel Adams alive today he might be creating art in code as many of us are doing now. He might be working with neural nets or a network of wifi nodes and location aware technology.

    One might just as pointlessly ponder whether or not he would be producing Marxist institutional critique or gender based work.

    To suggest that he would like digital photography is pointless. If he were alive today producing the same work he did in the 40's (no matter how beautiful) in any format we would say he was irrelevant and anachronistic.

    Next up... Raphael loves Photoshop, Rembrandt digs Python and the Bauhaus goes over to OSX.


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  12. Comments from a professional by menscher · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The goal is to sell images. Would he have used a digital camera? Of course. It's a great way to preview a shot, kinda how photographers used to carry a polaroid. But keep in mind that people value things that are unique (hence limited-edition prints, hand-made items, etc). Each of Ansel's prints was unique, and could not be duplicated, which adds to the value. So, for final prints, they'd probably still be on film.

    For people currently learning to shoot, go with digital. It's a much better way to learn. My father (who used to teach at Nikon School) says he would have learned to shoot in 1/4 the time.

  13. Re:He would have, but... by frozenray · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A 10-megapixel image is nice and all, but Adams used everything up to 8x10 cameras, and there's nothing like that kind of resolution even in the planning stages for digital.
    A 22-megapixel image is even nicer [Warning: PDF], and more and more professional photographers are switching to digital because of the advantages of end-to-end digital image processing. There still are some restrictions in high-end digital photography that make its use outside of the studio difficult or impossible, but it's matter of time and these will be overcome.

    Ten years ago, most people laughed at digital photography. Today, consumer digicams are selling like hotcakes and the professionals are definitely listening, if they haven't catched on yet. Ten years from now, photography will be digital. There will still be some uses for traditional film-based photography, but it will be a niche market. And somewhere on this planet, the next Ansel Adams will buy his first digital camera and use it in creative ways the designers hadn't anticipated. Yes, Ansel Adams was an artist and a hacker in the original sense of the word in my opinion.

    Another thing: no matter how big or fine-grained the film is, remember that the lens has to be able to resolve more lpi than the film, otherwise the film's resolution is wasted.
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  14. Re:Anyone ever talk to Ansel Adams? by Jason1729 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It sounds like your answers is no then because no such camera is likely to exist for the forseeable future and building one from scratch would cost orders of magnitude more than a lifetime of sheet film even for someone like Adams.

    50 megapixel would also be pretty grainy at the large prints adams liked to make. A 2 megapixel doing a 4x6 print would be the same resolution as a 50 megapixel doing a 20x30 print. 20x30 is a typical size for adams, and a 2 megapixel is just barely tolerable at 4x6.

    The other side is creative control over the chemicals. We're talking about digital manipulation but analog manipulation has existed as long as chemical photography has. Ansel Adams was a master of that and I doubt he'd give up the techniques he spent a lifetime learning.

    Besides the obvious darkroom stuff, film has interesting quirks. A 1 minute exposure is not 60 times effective as a 1 second exposure on real film. How will a CCD behave; in Adams style of photography, long exposures are common.

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  15. Maybe we should ask... by iminplaya · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Bill and Ted?
    This is a little like asking if Alexander Graham Bell would use a cel phone or if Da Vinchi would use Photoshop. I think they would use the best tool for expressing their ideas. Some folks still paint with a brush. (savages)

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  16. For the love of Pete Sampras, MOD PARENT UP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I mean, here's the answer, right here. Dude. Discussion over.

  17. Re:Anyone ever talk to Ansel Adams? by Luzumsuz+Lazim · · Score: 2, Insightful
    How nice to see this discussion at this point! 5-10 years ago people were dreaming digital images that are as good as 35mm films. Now, we dare to compare the digital images to the large format (4x6 - 8x10") films.

    I think, this alone summarizes what is going on here, and what will be the position of the digital imaging in 5-10 years!