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djdanlib writes "The New York Times ran this story Sunday about the Mobiltrak smart billboard system. It works by detecting what radio station you're listening to as you pass by a billboard, then displaying advertisements targeted at that station's demographic. It's kind of like a real-time Nielsen Ratings system for radio. And it's entirely passive, requiring no special hardware in your car - it receives the faint tuning signal generated by your radio." We've mentioned these before.
Is the Howard Stern show still on the radio these days? That could get dangerous.
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Finally a way to get back at all of those stupid SUV driver!
Stuck in bumper to bumper traffic...SUV cuts you off.
Broadcast message to billboard: "Man in Silver SUV with license plate 12345 has no pants on, is currently drinking, and likes to beat small puppies".
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uh, people who want traffic reports? People who want to listen to the news or weather?
...phil
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Umm..if my radio isn't on will I get a message.."Switch on your radio stupid moron! I am not getting any signal. I gotta play some ad for you"
Just a general Q and O...
How well would these wok in high traffic areas? I could see something like this in Kansas or some other place where you have time to hit the reciver, change the ad and such, but in a high traffic area?...would it try to pick up if you driving a Ford POS or a Beemer and then chose the ad based on that?
What if I am listening to Art Bell? Would it show me an ad for the latest book on Shadow Gov? Jim Rome? How to have a take a not suck? Kim Kommando? Your a loser and need to return your computer right now? Top 40? All you $$$ belong to us - The RIAA? (off topic rant I know)
Seriously, seeing an ever changing sign in a high speed/high traffic zone is an pile-up just begging to happen. I would hope they keep these kind of things in areas where concentration can be peoperly applied to them without the detriment to overall driving situation.
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I was thinking before I posted, "What happens when there's bumper-to-bumper traffic; how do you target every car when they move that slowly?"
But then I got to thinking: could you drop a radio next to the billboard and amp the faint tuning signal, so, say, all the people listening to top 40 see ads targeted toward NPR listeners?
I guess this is theoretically possible. Funny how every new advertising technology begs the question, "How can I subvert this?"
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It would seem that a particular radio station or advertizer could hack the system and bias the billboard by leaving a box of cheap battery powered FM radios by the side of the road (or a weak FM transmitter). With all those radios tuned to the same station it would fool the billboard into thinking that the cars where tuned to that station. Thus the billboard would leave the same ad up and log high ratings for the station.
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I lived right by the one they had in Roseville, CA. It was extremely bright, annoying, and dangerous seeming. While you are driving down the freeway (especially at night) it was so bright that you couldn't not look at it. Which I'm sure is the point. But when you have thousands of people flying by at 70mph, it just doesn't seem safe.
Most billboard business is based on renting the space. If you have to rely on a radio station's demographic to get your ad up there, how would you pro-rate that rental fee? Does the radio station get anything out of it, if you try it that way? And so on. Seems like a substantially different business model could build around this idea -- something "hits"-like.
(And more importantly, what does this mean for public service announcements? If I'm driving down the road and all the billboards are tailoring themselves to messages about the D.A.R.E. program, am I listening to Rush Limbaugh, or what? How about if all the pictures turn to messages about abortion?)
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Oh man, you are so behind the times. I ripped all my news and weather reports to mp3's a long time ago. Now I can listen to peace treaties or car bombings, sunny weather or rain, depending on my mood on any given day! It's great!
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This sign doesn't react to what it detects. It simply logs what stations people are listening to, so that the advertiser on the board can look at that info and decide who to target during different parts of the day. It works exactly like Nielsen ratings. The info gets collected and people look at it to make decisions, it's not reacted to immediately.
this way I could get the bill board to restrict its selection to topics. If my Ad was in that rotation then I probably just improved its visibility five or ten fold. I could sell that to people who place ads.
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Hmm, what's this then? Some kind of new editorial disclaimer to enable double posts?
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Does it display a table of executives slaughtering a baby when you drive buy listening to a ClearChannel or Infinity station? ;)
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The parent is completely out of touch with mainstream society. "Who actually listens to the radio anymore?!" I guess the record labels can stop paying Top 40 stations to play their crap, seeing as how no one listens to them. I guess all those rap stations my friends listen to can fold, since their only remaining membership is luddites.
Yes, MP3 players are getting cheaper, but an iPod is sill $200, and every car built in the last 30 years has an AM/FM radio. Aside from just the weather, the news, and talk shows -- streaming, time sensitive content -- the radio offers the opportunity to hear new music.
You might disagree about the benifits of radio, but the fact is that most people don't own an MP3 player, and most of those who do still listen to the radio. "Who still listens to the radio?" On the freeway, the vast majority of people.
... driving is soon going to be much more hazardous with the advent of new, "Pop-up Billboards".
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Your radio has a component in it (an oscillator) that vibrates at the frequency of the station you're listening to. This is "tuning" into the station. This vibration is what emits the signal.
Is this signal broadcasted back through your antenna or is this just a faint signal inside your radio and they have really good receivers in their billboards? Definitely a result of good receivers in the billboard. Though I think the antenna helps.
Has anybody tried to create a radio that doesn't emit this signal?
Not that I know of. I don't think it's really been a major issue worth pursuing in the consumer market. The best way to do it would probably be to shield the box. But since you've got to have an antenna linking the oscillator with the emag signal, you can never completely isolate it.
Is this only something with FM radio, or also with AM?
Both AM and FM. You've got to have an oscillator to tune into either one.
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Dude, give the engineers a bit more credit. They're not morons. The prospect of a schizophrenic, strobing billboard I'm sure has been considered.
Just as elevators in tall buildings don't get all flabbergasted and shoot out of the roof, these bill boards should be pretty well behaved too.
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The key is that the frequency of the local oscillator varies, so if you can detect the output of the local oscillator, you can tell to what frequency the radio is tuned. I'm oversimplifying greatly, and the article I've referred to is a pretty rough overview - if you really want to know how this stuff works, you need to do some serious studying. :'}
What's going to happen is the billboard will sense your iPod playing mp3's and assume you've "stolen" them. A message will then appear telling you to pull over and await your RIAA overlords and cavity search.
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Advertising everywhere, all the time, reminded me of my experience at a Mexican beach last week. While a sitting on the beach admiring the natural and human scenery, hundreds of [ licensed ] vendors walk by every few seconds pushing everything from blankets, artwork, tatoos, food, sexual partners, etc. 99.9% of the interactions are "not interested", but they keep on coming all day. Its much like the MS TV commercial why the Blubberfly boots the salesmen.
You are almost right, but not quite.
The way a modern superheterodyne radio works is like this:
You want to listen to a radio frequency at F1.
The radio creates a local oscillator (or LO) frequency of F2, such that abs(F2-F1) = F3, where F3 is a fixed, intermediate frequency (or IF). A common IF for FM radios is 10.7 MHz, and a common IF for AM radios is 455 kHz. By pulling the signal to a fixed frequency the rest of the radio's design can be better optimized and simpler.
Now, F2 can be either F1+F3 or F1-F3, it make little difference. So one way to confuse the system would be to retune the radio so that it uses "the other IF" - i.e. if the radio is using F2=F3+F1, retune the guts so that it uses F2=F1-F3.
Alternatively, replace the IF strip to change F2, and then retune the radio appropriately - if the sign's systems assume an IF of 10.7 MHz, and you are using an IF of 9.7 MHz, that will confuse the sign. The difficulty there is getting components designed for a non-standard frequency. If the radio is using the old "tuned slug" design this isn't so bad, but if the radio is using a crystal filter you are looking at custom crystals.
However, there is no need for the LO to be coupled to the world - the first stages of the radio can amplify the RF and decouple the first LO mixer from the world. It just takes a bit more work on the sheilding of the radio - you use a milled block of aluminum rather than foil sheilds. I know, since that is what I do for a living - design radios (well, radio test gear, which is a special case of the class Radio)
However, building a jamming oscillator at the needed frequencies to scramble this sign, while completely illegal, is also trivial - buy a cheap FM transmitter kit and retune it slightly. Of course, by causing interference you are in violation of FCC part 15 rules, and will get nailed if you get caught, so don't, 'mkay?
If it bothers you, just don't listen to the radio.
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So, what will the billboard think when it not only gets the news that I'm listening to a radio station that doesn't really exist (91.9MHz), but also gets blasted by the 91.9MHz FM signal my car's emitting? Will they use Tuneprint to figure out what song is playing? Will they simply categorize me as "geek" and display ads for computer stuff?
Nah, they'll probably be too stupid for that. They'll probably think "Wow, this guy's listening to bumfuck cornfield radio!" or whatever the 91.9MHz station is that sometimes leaks through and interferes with my music. I'll probably get ads for Bibles or manure.
Exception: I listen to a college radio station show on Thursday afternoons: Guerrilla Radio, on WRUW 91.1 FM, 1630-1730 Thursdays. Unless I forget.