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Milky Way Gets Bigger

FU_Fish writes "Australian scientists have discovered a new arm reaching out from our beloved Milky Way. The arm is 60,000 light years away from the center of the galaxy and roughly 6,500 light years thick. I guess my dream of visiting every star in our galaxy just got a bit tougher."

52 comments

  1. Don't tell Fatties! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh, so Al Roker hasn't actually lost weight - it's the space around him that's gotten bigger?

    1. Re:Don't tell Fatties! by Raptorman2k · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't forget Oprah...however she tends to envelope said space from time to time...

  2. What about the Twix bar? by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1, Funny

    That and the 3 Musketeers. Are they bigger too? Will they charge the same?

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    1. Re:What about the Twix bar? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ewwww....

      You can keep your candy bars with new extra arms hanging off of them.

    2. Re:What about the Twix bar? by Man+of+E · · Score: 1

      Just wait until Mars gets bigger and screws up the Earth's orbit...

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  3. That's not an arm! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Astronomers are worried if the truth gets out, American taxpayers will be bankrupted by John Ashcroft's attempts to get said 'arm' covered up.

  4. That Ain't No Bird's-Eye View! by PateraSilk · · Score: 4, Informative

    The picture they chose for the article looks more like a typical shot of the core in Sagittarius from Earth. "Bird's-eye view" in this context would probably mean "seen from galactic north".

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    1. Re:That Ain't No Bird's-Eye View! by kwoff · · Score: 1

      How many birds are flying around outside the galaxy anyway?

    2. Re:That Ain't No Bird's-Eye View! by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2, Funny

      Every once in a while, the Great Bird of the Galaxy goes for a little drive in the country.

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  5. Hubble by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So, I was just thinking. Brainstorming really. I had a thought about a real life use for moon colonization.

    Mount a telescope on the dark side of the moon.

    Shielded from the light of the sun, and mounted to a big solid object. The moon.

    Mapping the skies would be simple. Point the telescope straight out, take pictures every few minutes. Do that for a few months and you have detailed pictures of all the in a donut shaped space around you. Change angles and repeat. Although, the best you could ever do is a big donut shaped area. Straight up and straight down would be hard. But I am sure it'd be worth it.

    1. Re:Hubble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      (pedantic...)
      Don't you mean the far side of the moon? All parts of the moon get sunlight.

    2. Re:Hubble by shane_rimmer · · Score: 4, Informative

      The dark side of the moon gets plenty of sunlight when the moon is between Earth and Sol.

      Look here for more information about why we always see the same part of the moon

    3. Re:Hubble by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 1

      I guess I wasn't ware that the far side of the moon got sunlight any time but a lunar eclipse. I'm no lunar expert, I'm just shooting from the hip here.

    4. Re:Hubble by Russ+Steffen · · Score: 4, Informative

      It actually doesn't matter all that much. Since there's no atmosphere there, you can still do a lot of optical observations during the lunar day. Only objects that appear near the sun would be off limits. The real advantage to the moon, though, would be for radio astronomy - the far side is quite well shielded from earth's radio noise.

    5. Re:Hubble by Noren · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Ignoring the "dark side"/ far side confusion others have pointed out:

      In addition to the general advantages of placing a telescope on the moon (no atmosphere), the far ('dark') side of the moon has a unique advantage: it's always shielded from Earth, which is a huge radio source. For this reason, the far side of the moon would be an ideal spot to build a radio telescope.

    6. Re:Hubble by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 1

      Wow, that site is awesome. That's the best explanation I've ever seen of why one side of the moon is always facing us. I also like the explanation of why the moon's orbit is spiraling outward and (as a result) Earth's day is getting longer. Thanks for the link!

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    7. Re:Hubble by barakn · · Score: 1

      No. The bottoms of certain craters near the North and South Poles of the Moon do not ever get sunlight. Currently debates rage over whether said craters contain significant deposits of water ice, with radar saying nay and epi-thermal neutron detectors saying yeah.

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    8. Re:Hubble by Dr.+Omni · · Score: 1

      I think that one could land fully automated space telescopes (or "telescope kits" to be assembled by robots) anywhere in the Moon without having to use humans, so I am skeptic about such a project leading to the colonization of the Moon. In fact, it is very hard to think of anything that could lead to the colonization of the Moon (even a hypothetical mining of Helium-3 could be done in an automated way). Perhaps the only possible scenario for Moon colonization is related to Space Tourism: supposing that space flight becomes cheaper and Space Tourism takes off, the Moon would eventually become a tourist hot spot - and newwed tourists going there would add a new meaning to the word "honey moon". :-)

  6. Does this mean by Kethinov · · Score: 3, Funny

    that there's actually a part of the galaxy Star Trek hasn't explored yet? Good! Time for a new series instead of the prequel! ;)

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  7. Has slashdot become the Internet Inquirer or what? by fejikso · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A bit offtopic but, I don't think the ./ audience needs a title like "Milky Way gets bigger" instead of "New arm of Milky Way galaxy discovered" to be interested in the article.

  8. Pay Attention! by OptimoosePrime · · Score: 1

    C'mon people we need to start catching these at a minimum of 2,000 light year thickness so that we can better handle our space arms. Once you get into the 5-6,000 LYT's you're basically dealing with a crazy runaway moose.

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  9. Ha! by Sandmann · · Score: 5, Funny

    In your face, Andromeda!

    1. Re:Ha! by Josh+Booth · · Score: 1

      Don't be so sure. In 3 billion years, they are going to collide! Forget Earth, out entire galaxy is going to be destroyed! Not really, but both galaxies will merely merge into a single elliptical galaxy.

    2. Re:Ha! by JoeRobe · · Score: 1

      Actually from what I remember reading, it'll collide with us, pass through us, then swing back around a few more times before finally just stays with us

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  10. YHBT. HAND. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The parent is either an absolute imbecile or a troll.

  11. This does exist in the Star Trek Universe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    It's called "The delphic expanse." It's a strange, scary place where the laws of physics are turned upside down. Flesh is distorted, bodies are turned inside out, and Rick Bergman is considered creative and clever. You wouldn't want to go there.

  12. Don't worry... by Throat+constant · · Score: 0

    I guess my dream of visiting every star in our galaxy just got a bit tougher.

    ...We can surf through Milky Way in our handy dandy Black Hole at a mere '5000 km/sec.'

  13. There's just one problem by punman · · Score: 1

    How would you get the data back to the earth, with the MOON in the way? We only face one side of the moon, and there would be no way without a network of satellites around the moon to receive the image data back on earth.

    1. Re:There's just one problem by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 1

      That is why i mentioned colonization. Just store it localy. Run a cable, or do a ground based wireless relay around the moon to our side.

    2. Re:There's just one problem by Mattcelt · · Score: 1

      Hey, say it with me... *re-lay*. A transceiver satellite orbiting above the moon will be more than capable of sending images back to Earth. (Obviously, cost is not a factor, since we're talking about putting a telescope on the moon...)

      Interestingly, we should also be able to make a much bigger mirror/lens if it is manufactured locally on the moon (imagine that - UAW local 4775, Mare Imbrium) since the gravity is so much lower. The distortions and cracking prolem here on Earth would be lessened considerably there.

    3. Re:There's just one problem by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 1

      Manufactured localy would mean that they wouldn't have to survive the launch into space either.

      Good call.

    4. Re:There's just one problem by corbettw · · Score: 1

      And just think of the jobs it would create! The Moon economy is pretty weak these days, keeping as much manufacturing local as possible would be a great boon for it.

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  14. Visit every star in the Galaxy? by beerman2k · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hmm... Let's see...

    That's about 100 billion stars (best estimate), so if you started today, and lived another 100 years (lucky you), you'd have to visit about 1 billion stars a year. That would mean about 3 million stars a day or about 100,000 stars every hour. So you'd only have to visit about 30 stars every second. How hard could that be?

    1. Re:Visit every star in the Galaxy? by Sanga · · Score: 2, Funny

      You age very less when travelling close to light speeds.

      Factor that in ... and the poster might return to Earth in time for the bug free version of Windows :-)

    2. Re:Visit every star in the Galaxy? by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 1
      Factor that in ... and the poster might return to Earth in time for the bug free version of Windows :-)
      I doubt it. Before we see a bug free version of windows the following things will have to have occured:

      World peace

      DNF released

      Tax reduction

      Total elimination of poverty and famine

      collonisation of all available places in this solar system

      More than 10 /. users got laid.

      FTL travel discovered

      Cold fusion

      Flying cars

    3. Re:Visit every star in the Galaxy? by beerman2k · · Score: 2, Funny

      FTL travel discovered Boy, I bet he'd be really pissed to get back home and find out the'd invented that.

    4. Re:Visit every star in the Galaxy? by Yanray · · Score: 1

      That's impossible, no just highly improbable, and to think all they needed was a cup of tea.

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    5. Re:Visit every star in the Galaxy? by tiled_rainbows · · Score: 1

      Surely it would be easier to create a huge black hole in the centre of the galaxy, and have the stars come to you.

    6. Re:Visit every star in the Galaxy? by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

      Surely it would be easier to create a huge black hole in the centre of the galaxy, and have the stars come to you.

      Like this one? Looks like someone is one step ahead of you.

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  15. Ob PF Quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "There is no dark side of the moon. It's all dark."

    Pink Floyd

  16. new arm pit of milkway galaxy discovered! by zwanglos · · Score: 0

    Now I'm starting to feel sorry for the milky way, anyone with my 5 arm pits must be rank!

    ba dum bing babeee!

    Now to answer the age old question, which galaxy arm pit is earth in exactly?

  17. New arm? by Uplore · · Score: 0

    Then it'll have another new arm, then a new leg. Who knows? Before we know it our solar system may up and run off on us!

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  18. Hitchhiker's Guide by hound3000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    "I guess my dream of visiting every star in our galaxy just got a bit tougher."

    Yes, but are you going to insult everybody in it? Individually, personally, one by one, and by alphabetical order?

    I miss Douglas Adams

  19. Headline by Man+of+E · · Score: 3, Funny
    Milky Way gets bigger? Reminds me of the newspaper headlines back in 1492 (the good old days):

    Path to India discovered! The Earth gets rounder!

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  20. Re:Has slashdot become the Internet Inquirer or wh by Tower · · Score: 1

    Exactly - I thought maybe there was a new size to fill the gap after "Fun Size" and "King Size" for the Milky Way and Snickers bars...

    Whaddya mean it doesn't involve chocolate???

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  21. In related news... by Alsee · · Score: 1

    California biologists have discovered a additional arm on Michael Jackson.

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  22. Press always gets it wrong... by Jump · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is not a birds-eye view. It's the view of the Milkyway from earth when you look towards the Center with Infrared Telescopes. If you want to see a real bird-eye view of the Milkyway spiral pattern you have to go here.

  23. Dark Matter revision by Gamasta · · Score: 1

    Maybe it's time to take a look again at dark matter. This newly found ring has probably some good mass, however I don't know if it really goes for all the missing matter. I guess there is research on velocity inside our galazy, not only Doppler shift in other galaxies.

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    1. Re:Dark Matter revision by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

      matter. This newly found ring has probably some good mass, however I don't know if it really goes for all the missing matter.

      It doesn't. Not even close. The matter we can account for only adds up to about one tenth of what we should have. So, even if this new arm of our galaxy somehow contained as much matter as the rest of the entire known universe, we would still be in the dark about 80% of our universe.

      Yeah, it's a real lot of matter that we can't find, which is why it's such a major problem in modern astronomy.

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  24. No stars to here, move along by barakn · · Score: 1

    Seems like most posters, the original article submitter FU_Fish, and /. editor michael did not actually RTFA, or at least not very well. This new arm is gas, not stars, and it may just be an extension of an arm we already know about.

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  25. Why should I care now? by Tripinsteady · · Score: 1

    Hmmm? Could it really be that the galaxy is bigger than we thought or our scientists are running out of new idea's so they go and make shit up to keep funding? The world will never know.

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  26. Dark spots on the moon by lommer · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, at the North and South poles of the moon there are craters that don't recieve any sunlight at the bottom, ever. Some people have advocated putting optical telescopes there. Others have discussed the proposition of building a circumlunar railway with the telescope mounted on it so that the telescope could always be on the dark side of the moon (the moon's rotation is a lot slower and it's a lot smaller, making the distance and speeds actually feasible.)

    Despite those, the benefits of a radio telescope that you pointed out are still probably the most promising benefits of a lunar presence.