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SimCandidate - Why Aren't There More Political Sims?

Thanks to Slate for their piece discussing why there aren't more videogames simulating current-day politics. The article posits: "The U.S. presidential campaign may be the first true election of the digital age, but it's still missing one key ingredient. Where is the video-game version of Campaign 2004?" It goes on to suggest that "presidential politics lends itself naturally to the idiom and audience of today's games. Political campaigns are already structured like games, with an escalating series of discrete competitions that determine the eventual winner. In addition, there's an existing body of readily available data, going back many decades, that could be harnessed to craft the simulation" Would you play a modern-day political sim videogame?

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  1. Better question by buffer-overflowed · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why hasn't there been a reality TV show yet, like
    "Who wants to be a Senator?"

    Are you an NBC-Crat or a CBS-ican?

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    1. Re:Better question by Sylver+Dragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And this would be worse than our current crop of congresscritters, how?
      At least they might be open about the fact that they are clueless idiots.

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    2. Re:Better question by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why hasn't there been a reality TV show yet, like "Who wants to be a Senator?"

      Stupid Campaign Finance laws, probably.

      I thought there was supposed to be one though, but the closest I could find was this: HBO's new series, Candidate 2012, will follow the journey of one curious and compelling young American as he or she travels across the country in an attempt to figure out what it will take to become President of the United States in the year 2012.

      Not sure how they'll get around the soft-money laws, though.

  2. Re:Well... by Carnildo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For the same reason there aren't any religious sims, either.

    You missed seeing Black & White?

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  3. Realistic! by Alphanos · · Score: 3, Funny

    For added realism, players could have cheat codes which allow them to edit the voting machine results:).

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  4. This game Pays! by BrookHarty · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Where is the video-game version of Campaign 2004?

    Lol, so, you start out running for mayor, promising the smaller companies (construction) projects if they support you, and donate towards your campaign. After elected, you help nominate judges to ease laws towards construction, which leads into more money for your election for the Governor. Easing tax burdens to keep large companies in your state, and try to make honey deals, you spend money on pork projects for all your supporters.
    Deny the local transportation requirements that might have to cross the richer areas of town. As the money rolls in, you run for Senate. Promise to ease tax laws, or support some religious view to gain support. Slander everyone, showing how righteous you are, never broke any laws (or just got caught), and you are the perfect person for the job.

    Now as Senator, you get to join some nice Committees. Maybe join Energy and Natural Resource, so you allow a nice company from your home state to "Ahem, Bid" on natural gas mining in federal land.

    After some time, you get bored with milking federal and state money and decided to run for President. All you need is a platform. If you're the Republican you have the religious backing, but you have to ban personal freedoms, unless its gun control and force religion on some states. If you're Democrat you have try to pass gun control and help further rights, (gay, women, etc) and spend lots of money public programs that don't work.

    So after you choose your poison, Democrat or Republican, (Not Liberal, as it doesn't support big government) and you get start going to the national caucuses. Oh the fun of promising even bigger pork projects, kick backs and under handed political back stabbing. Debate over issues and sound the same every year.

    Then after elected, you appoint Judges that agree with your "wink" personal views. Make powerful political and business contacts that help family and friends make billions. Purchase some banks maybe. After your term, you quit, and collect a check yearly for the rest of your life. Of course, you have to build a library, and do lots of 1000 dollar a plate dinners. Everyone wants to throw money at you.

    My god this game sounds fun, and it pays well too!

  5. Seems to me... by Otter · · Score: 4, Insightful
    • People who aren't interested in politics wouldn't be interested in the game.
    • People who are interested in politics tend to have strong views, and wouldn't be interested in modulating them to score points.
    • The people who are interested in changing their opinions to win approval are already running for office in reality.
    1. Re:Seems to me... by RevAaron · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People who aren't interested in politics wouldn't be interested in the game.

      A game about politics wouldn't be for the kind of folks who are really interested in the world's real politics. There are tons of folks who would like games full of political intrigue and all the other not-boring political stuff. Think of political novels, not the real world.

      People who are interested in politics tend to have strong views, and wouldn't be interested in modulating them to score points.

      Again, this is a game, not the real world. A game would allow those with errant political views to acually succeed, unlike the real world where they fail. I repeat: we're talking about a game. There's no reason where someone could make modern republicanism work- at least in the altered rules of a video game.

      The people who are interested in changing their opinions to win approval are already running for office in reality.

      *sigh*
      Do you play games? Did Risk fail because anyone who would like such a game would just go play real wargames in the military? Did Quake and other FPS fail because everyone became a murderer or soldier? Did SimCity fail because everyone just got their own town and became mayor? No, no, and no.

      One of the reasons people love games like this is because it gives them an alternate universe where they can do what they can't in the real world. Sure, I could put a lot of time, money and energy into running for City Council in my town- but I'd probably loose, at least the first time. At this stage in my life, I don't have the desire to run or the desire to pump in all of my time, money and energy into running for some public office. A game like this would afford some of the "fun" of politics with a tiny fraction of the time, money, and energy.

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  6. URL here: by Tumbleweed · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here ya go, from an interview with special effects designer Richard Taylor:

    http://www.canada.com/montreal/montrealgazette/sto ry.asp?id=7530006A-C103-4E13-9A55-F6EFCC111ACC

  7. Not political but geopolitical... by gklinger · · Score: 3, Interesting
    There was a great game called Balance of Power (followed up by Balance of Power: The 1990 Edition) which was a simulation of geopolitics and was interesting in that the goal was power and prestige while avoiding a world war. It's quite unique and well worth checking out. You can read a fascinating article about designing Balance of Power written by Chris Crawford, the author of the game.

    I know this isn't 100% on topic but I couldn't resist. I think a lot of people find this game stimulating if they only knew about it.

  8. Most people... by stoolpigeon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    are not interested enough in real politics - that impact their real lives - to go out and do something as simple as voting.

    I have a feeling that the pool of people that would be interested is very small and of those, many would be too busy doing real political things.

    I guess if it was simple enough and you could become ruler of the world or something people might dig it. I remember when I first played SimFarm. I lost interest because I kept going bankrupt. It modeled reality too closely. I finally found one scenario where it was pretty easy to get rich, eventually buy the crop duster, and I had fun flying around the map.

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  9. President Elect by orthogonal · · Score: 5, Interesting

    President Elect was an excellent game, with (for a game) a realistic grasp of electoral politics based on a database of actual state-by-state results from 1964 to 1988.

    One could run as various historical candidates, or make one's own candidate by selecting the candidate's position on various issues.

    It's mostly a resource management game: you spent money and time on different states or regions to sway the voters in those places. The trick was knowing which states were swing states, and spending your time and money there.

    The game ended on election night, with each state reporting in and showing percentages and the color of the candidate who won it. The states reported in on a staggered schedule based on local poll-closing time, and once or twice I even saw one candidate declared the winner, only to see it change when all votes in swing states had reported in.

    If I were not watching the webcast of Don Knuth's 10th Annual Christmas Tree lecture at 4:15 pm PST,
    at http://scpd.stanford.edu/knuth/, I'd tip my hat to Strom Thurmond's illegitimate mixed-race daughter by playing Strom against Goldwater in 1964 tonight.
    If they made a copy updated with electoral data and demographics through 2004, I'd buy it in a minute.

  10. Why would I want to play it? by gothrus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Who wants to play a game in which the only way to win is to cheat.

    1. Re:Why would I want to play it? by EvilSporkMan · · Score: 4, Funny

      Counter Strike players...

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