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'Hunt for WMD' Game Launched Using Public Documents

prakslash writes "AP/The Tennessean reports that a Nashville entrepreneur, Shane Messer, has created an international treasure hunt game called 'Find Those Weapons: The Hunt for the Real WMD' by using actual public documents related to the American invasion of Iraq as clues. Messer's treasure for finding those imaginary weapons of mass destruction? A solid gold trophy, a bag of cash and a barrel of oil, according to the game's website." According to the rules, "If no one... claims the trophy by Election Day 2004.. [it] will be sent to George Bush."

75 comments

  1. Oh Boy.... by Sevn · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Stand back for the flood of neocon love. And who could blame them? Not that I'm exactly an angel here all the time, but this story is a blatant troll. Have you no shame?

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    1. Re:Oh Boy.... by Angry+Toad · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Interesting question - *is* it a troll?

      It will create gigantic flames and whatnot, of course, towering into the Slashdot sky. However this is just a measure of the contentious nature of the question - to what extent did the US administration knowingly lie and/or exaggerate the Iraq threat in order to create the case for a war they had already decided upon?

      However much the ultra-right crazies may froth about it, it is a fair question.

      It was stated categorically by almost all the top figures in the White House that such weapons existed and were a clear and present danger. It even made it into the SOTU.

      So far, however, such claims appear to have been false. Read that however you will, but the question of honesty is relevant and important.

      I just find it interesting that simply *asking where they are, after all* might be considered flamebait.

  2. Same old story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    What is this dude a former advertising exec from Acclaim?

  3. Re:I'm shocked!!! by sfjoe · · Score: 1



    I was looking at the website and don't see where you get the "trust-fund Bush hater" bit. What page are you looking at?

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  4. Re:I'm shocked!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is that different then trust-fund Bush doing a bit of grandstanding?

  5. Wow, nice story by Mike+Hawk · · Score: 4, Funny

    Did I accidently type fark instead of slashdot this morning?

  6. Re:I'm shocked!!! by benlinkknilneb · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually, RTFA. The guy is a "left-leaning Republican"... He doesn't agree with the way it was handled, but he says he really does believe there are WMDs. The whole thing is a publicity stunt to get $$$ to make it through law school.

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  7. Leftist Republican? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A left-winging Republican? Oh yes, there are LOTS of these, just as there are right-wing Democrats, Jewish Nazis, and Chicano Buchanan-voters. Oh yes. Almost forgot the vast "Libertarians for Nader" contingent.

    1. Re:Leftist Republican? by Kobal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      From countries where a real left wing exists, USian democrats certainly look right-wing.

    2. Re:Leftist Republican? by Saganaga · · Score: 1

      What the heck is a USian? Is that someone from the United States of Mexico?

  8. Only in america by lostindenver · · Score: 1

    Only in america could someone do this and make money. If i had some i by it just to reward the guy. At least untill he patents the idea of hunting for WMD's that is.

    1. Re:Only in america by musikit · · Score: 1

      I think G. W. Bush would have the "prior art" of that one.

  9. Socialism IS death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you look at the top 10 or so genocidal leaders of the 20th century, all but 1 or 2 are Socialists. Even Saddam himself is a Socialist of the Ba'ath sect.

  10. "put me through law school" by musikit · · Score: 2, Interesting

    i give this game a week before someone cracks it and figures out where the WMD are.

    what actually would be funny is if someone did finish the game and put the FAQ here

    1. Re:"put me through law school" by edalytical · · Score: 1

      Except in the interest of realism the game can't be finished.

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    2. Re:"put me through law school" by XO · · Score: 1

      Doesn't matter - getting the prize requires an explanation of how to solve the last puzzle. :D

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  11. Few if any right-wing democrats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The right-wing democrats get ostracized and turn into Republicans.

    The US has a strong left-wing....just not as strong as the left-wing in certain countries like North Korea and Vietnam, which have a VERY strong left wing. Compared to them, everything is right-wing.

    1. Re:Few if any right-wing democrats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Compared to most European countries, the American left wing is not very left wing. Just look at their standpoints on various subjects. To get an image of an average, standard, somewhat popular European left-wing party, just look at the American Green party. Americans are on average quite far right compared to the rest of the western world.

    2. Re:Few if any right-wing democrats by Dr.Dubious+DDQ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I suspect the main reason for this is the gigantic size of the US.

      Fundamentally, I suspect that the amount of authority that a government can have over its subjects and not end up being oppressive is inversely proportional to the size of the governed population.

      A country the size of, say, France (one step down in economic power from the STATE of California, last I heard) can get away with being fairly socialistic. The entire nation of the US attempting to do so would turn into the Soviet Union...

      Now, if Europe REALLY wanted the problem solved, perhaps they'd be encouraging the states that make up the US to secede and form a number of smaller, independent nations much as they have in Europe. Said states could possibly become rather "less right-wing" without resulting in a grossly oppressive and ponderous central government...

      Just a theory I have.

  12. hmm by snubber1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Shane Messer to George W. Bush: "Zing!"

    You sure showed him!

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  13. has nothing to do with real WMD. by fireduck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    it's basically "I like puzzle / riddle games. A major current event involves finding weapons of mass destruction. So why not combine the two into a game I can sell to make money for law school."

    anything else is reading far too much into it.

    1. Re:has nothing to do with real WMD. by MMaestro · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Except for the fact that the guy purposely used the topic of WMDs just to gain publicity. If the goal was to find a treasure chest of gold, this never would have been reported on Slashdot. This guy is basicly tapping into the anti-U.S. government setiment thats going around right now to make a quick buck.

    2. Re:has nothing to do with real WMD. by sfjoe · · Score: 5, Funny

      This guy is basicly tapping into the anti-U.S. government setiment thats going around right now to make a quick buck.

      And more power to him!
      It sure beats manipulating the energy market to make a quick buck.

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    3. Re:has nothing to do with real WMD. by fireduck · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Except for the fact that the guy purposely used the topic of WMDs just to gain publicity."

      Of course he did. There's a reason there were 3 Amy Fisher movies a soon after the whole fiasco: current events sell. Why create a "find pirate pete's buried treasure" game that will get no attention, when you can create a "find the WMD" game that will get people intrigued.

      Plus there's the whole aspect that this guy has crafted a puzzle that fits seamlessly inside of a current event. The game book comes with a bunch of clues, which prompt you to go searching through the reams of publicly available documents (that he provides) to try to track down the WMD, based on his clues. (because clearly if the government knew where they were, they would have found them by now). The author has decided where the WMD are and wants you to track them down using his clues and whatever information the government has declassified. This is kinda like the game associated with the A.I. movie (on a sorta dissimilar level).

      As for your contention that the author is "is basicly tapping into the anti-U.S. government setiment thats going around right now to make a quick buck", I find that somewhat laughable. Bush currently is enjoying a major surge in popularity, with op-ed writers across the country predicting how badly this will hurt Dean. (I.E., any anti-government or anti-Bush sentiment that does exist is probably felt by a minority or at best half of the population.)

    4. Re:has nothing to do with real WMD. by CrisDias · · Score: 1

      I am pretty sure he means "around the world". But bleh... who cares about the rest of the world?

    5. Re:has nothing to do with real WMD. by Wolfrider · · Score: 1

      "Imagine a Beowulf cluster of WMD hunters..."

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  14. Wrong map! by edalytical · · Score: 0

    The provided map is a map of Saudi Arabia not Iraq. True, Iraq is in the map, but most of the map is Saudi Arabia. How do they expect the WMD to be found w/o a detailed map of Iraq?

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  15. Look again: it is the right map by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look again: it is the right map of the entire region, including Saudi Arabia, Iran, and of course Iraq. It also includes Syria and Yemen, which are places where WMD's could be hidden. Saudi is the most "obvious" country seen there due to its size and shape, but if you spend more than 1 second looking, you will see it is a regional map.

    1. Re:Look again: it is the right map by edalytical · · Score: 1
      No shit it is a regional map! You can tell I know this by my first post "True, Iraq is in the map, but most of the map is Saudi Arabia."

      If you spent 1 second learning to read you would see the text "Your tools? a CD, a booklet of 10 clues, a matrix, and a map of Iraq" just below the picture.

      Also:

      Saudi is the most "obvious" country
      Um, it's no secret that Saudi Arabia is trying to acquire a nuclear capabilities.

      Next!

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    2. Re:Look again: it is the right map by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fatwa on you!

  16. Re:Just more of the same... by simoniker · · Score: 1

    Anyone who knows me will realize that I'm far more interested in this game's similarity to Kit Williams' Masquerade puzzle book from the '80s (as I mentioned in the department line on the story) than any political statement.

  17. When can I claim the trophy? by Rayonic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hey hey, I found a document proving the existence of WMD -- turns out they declared them to the UN! And that they had the ability to manufacture more! Check it out:

    http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/18130. pdf

    Anthrax, Botulinum, VX... Totally awesome, eh? Better yet, the agents and methods of production were never accounted for. I'm going to contact this contest guy right now. That trophy is as good as mine.

    1. Re:When can I claim the trophy? by bitrott · · Score: 1

      Are those really WMDs? When it came to chemical weapons I assumed it was all about delivery systems, not the chemicals themselves. Also nukes. I don't think anyone was particularyl worried about a VX attack when their missiles couldn't reach into Turkey. I was under the assumption that it was nukes and long-range chemical weapons we were looking for. We've all known about the chemical weapons. They have not-so-secret labs in vans rolling around making the stuff, everyone's known about those. Not really the WMDs worth invanding a country over. Or the big evil nuke we were made to shiver in fear about. Hmm. cold war... war on terrorism.... rule by fear?

    2. Re:When can I claim the trophy? by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      "When it came to chemical weapons I assumed it was all about delivery systems, not the chemicals themselves."

      Then you're forgetting the anthrax attacks through the USPS in late '01. And then there were the scores killed and maimed by chlorine gas attacks decades before the V2...

      The delivery system is the easy part. Heck, the delivery system is generally something you can buy on the open market ("It's for our budding space program!" if you insist on rockets). International laws and such focus on the technology of the weapon itself.

      Iraq getting weapons of mass destruction (or "warheads of mass destruction" if you insist) was a major problem even if they didn't have rockets that violated sanctions (which they did). Looking at how much oil they were able to ship out outside of the Oil For Food program, why wouldn't they have been able to sell their new technological breakthroughs to the highest bidder? DPRK, for example, may or may not have The Bomb, they probably don't have any sort of chemical or biological weapons program outside of whatever data was left behind by the Japanese, but they certainly have boosters that can hit Okinawa, Guam and perhaps even Anchorage. And if DPRK knows how to export (our) nuclear technology to Iran, they can probably figure out how to import nerve agent from Iraq.

    3. Re:When can I claim the trophy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm. They were on the verge of being invaded, and they claimed to have all these advanced weapons. And then they couldn't show them to anyone. I'd hardly call that reliable evidence.

    4. Re:When can I claim the trophy? by bitrott · · Score: 1

      Yeah, see that's where I think you've left fact behind for a convenient fiction. The Anthrax "attacks", which killed approximately noone were done by local homegrown wackos.

      You cannot buy ICBMs and transglobal warhead delivery systems on the global market. The fear that the administration was engendering is the only one that would have been a real threat at all... that Iraq could, within a matter of hours (before a US strikeforce can react) could mobilize and launch a missile capable of reaching Europe. What we found was remnants of an old test core 6ft under a guys rosebush. Hardly the threat worth the billions of dollars, lives and man hours it's taken to prevent.

      Yes the world is a better place with him gone and iraq having freedom... but playing the worlds liberation force is hardly the conservative american thing to do now is it?

  18. Re:Just more of the same... by GeneralCern · · Score: 0

    And of course for speaking out about this you are tagged with 'Flamebait'. Possibly, I could see 'OFFTOPIC', but FLAMEBAIT seems a bit harsh, especially since there is truth to your post.

  19. Re:Nice, nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that's right, we wouldnt want to get a broader view of the picture. Everybody mind there own buisness. THat way i won't get too confused. The times are sooo confusing already, don't mess with my view the world. please.

  20. Re:Just more of the same... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think it might have had something to do with the 'imaginary' adjective being applied to WMD in the submission.
    Iraq admitted to the U.N. that they had WMD, they just never accounted for them.
    (Until I read your post, I had no idea of the Masquerade connection. I was just looking at my copy the other night.)

  21. A broader world view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Listening to lies does not really broaden your world view: it only makes you learn anew how stupid the liars are. The parent poster was just fed up with the same old lies, and wanted to stick to reliable sources which present a broad variety of challenging information without lying about things.

  22. Re:Just more of the same...MOD parent UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot is rapidly becoming a site of one sided politics

  23. Re:Nice, nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wouldn't say Slashdotters are particularly liberal at all.
    I would say they're anti-authoritarian (in a teenage kind of way). Perhaps libertarian/anarchist would fit the bill?
    Mainly what they are is narcissistic.

  24. Re:Nice, nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey, buddy, the guy who's made the contest is a republican. RTFA

  25. Why Bush? by rocketfairy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why does Bush get the trophy? He can't seem to find any WMD's he isn't building himself or planning to launch.

  26. Re:Wil Wheaton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    STFU AC. I love Wil, he loves America just for the record, although he is a fag cuz we had ghey sex last night.

  27. Wrong info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The "building himself" link points to a site about devices designed specifically to destroy bio/chem weapons caches. Oops. you pointed to a link about getting rid of WMD's more effectively.

    The "planning to launch" site was fiction from this Cockburn fellow, who loves to make up stuff and is not a reliable source of fact at all.

    You failed it.

  28. The key is probably by EvilSporkMan · · Score: 2, Funny

    a copy of Conflict: Desert Storm or the sequel, given that you'll need about $50 to retrieve it. This would make good sense, as the real key is the explanation of why the place-holder is where it is and we don't want to have any chance of the place-holder's being moved or anyone seeing the guy putting it places.

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  29. More libertarian, actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Americans are on average quite far right compared to the rest of the western world."

    Since the taxes are lower, and more things are left to popular control instead of state control (see health care and the media), America is certainly more libertarian than Western Europe.

    Libertarian is not right wing, it is outside of the "wings". Left-wing means totalitarian tyranny with the lie that it is "for the good of the people". Right-wing means totalitarian tyranny without bothering with clever lies.

    Western Europe is in love with government control of matters and right-wing racist movements, which ironically makes it an easy place (as proven in the past) for Hitlers to come to power. France has even had massive antisemitic rallies in recent years.

  30. Howard Dean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "This guy is basicly tapping into the anti-U.S. government setiment thats going around right now to make a quick buck"

    It sounds like Howard Dean. He's getting rich off this, but of course if you run your campaign on a "yes-Saddam, no-America" platform like he is, you aren't going to win.

  31. Did someone warn George Bush? by zwanglos · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm really disappointed that the website does not warn George Bush the game is not real. He's probably already ordered it and has poor post-op Powell already on the trail of the "WMDs".

    I just hope he doesn't use the game in the upcoming state of the union as more proof for their existence, although maybe it's more reliable than British intel? :)

  32. Bekaa Valley. by Nagatzhul · · Score: 1

    I wonder why he is acting like it is a mystery where they are. We already know what happened to them. Thanks to the UN's grandstanding and BS, they had more than eight weeks to move them to the Bekaa Valley. And Syria and Lebanon have to be more than happy to have their hands on them.

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    1. Re:Bekaa Valley. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course. We know that for an absolute, unarguable fact. We know that he did this instead of defending himself, and was so damn clever that he let his regime fall, his sons get killed, and himself get arrested just to make George W Bush look like a lying SOB! Damn clever of him, what?

      No wait, I just found out that they are behind the invisible elephant in my living room. I KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE!

      Maybe they are with OJ's Real Killers (tm)

  33. OT: When is "Escape from Woomera (Australia)" comi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    It's good to read of Yet Another Reality Game (YARG)
    coming out... but already we've seen a bit of vaporware
    in this class of game products, ie:

    "Escape from Woomera" (WAS due in Oct/Nov 2003)

    I look forward to downloading it, if/when it arrives.

    Does anyone know more about this puppy?

  34. Re:Just more of the same... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only on slashdot are posts praising the Columbine killers and Al Queda modded "+5 Insightful".

    I've never seen one. Have you? Where? I'd like to see it...

    BTW, it's Al Qaeda, not Al Queda (Remember, it's not English, so the u after q rule doesn't apply).

  35. Re:Just more of the same...MOD parent UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not particularly. You're just exposed here to the fact that far-right wingnut politics are not mainstream opinions. I know this is hard to accept, but it is the truth. America is much richer and more diverse than the narrow and ugly right-wing political/media machine that currently controls it.

  36. Re:Just more of the same... by reiggin · · Score: 1

    Flamebait. My point is proven by the the liberal mods. I'm a liberterian myself so I hold to neither "ultra conservative" or "bed-wetter" but I do think that the hostility shown towards a differing opinion just goes to prove that the liberals like those here at Slantdot are hostile, defensive, and angry. Congrats on proving me right with your completely irrational moderation.

  37. Re:Just more of the same... by reiggin · · Score: 1

    Bingo. The use of the adjective "imaginary" is editorializing. Take a journalism class.

  38. Re:Nice, nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Mainly what they are is narcissistic.
    VERY insightful. Mod parent up. Hit the nail on the head. But they are liberal. And they are Libertarian with a capitol "L" rather than the common-sense liberterians who don't go for all that extremism BS. Oh, and the EFF is a bunch of socialist, liberal wankers.
  39. How realistic will it be? by schnits0r · · Score: 1

    I mean, they probably won't findthem in the game, much like the US can't find them in reality.

  40. Re:Just more of the same... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I think you just described yourself with your description of liberals. First you say -

    ... I hold to neither "ultra conservative" or "bed-wetter" ...

    then you say -

    .... liberals like those here at Slantdot are hostile ...

    See what I mean?

  41. Re:Nice, nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lies indeed. Sorry, where did you say those imminent, deadly, terrifying weapons of mass destruction were again? You know, the TONS of nerve gas and the THOUSANDS OF GALLONS of botox and VX and whatnot and the ACTIVE nuclear program and the DRONES OF DEATH?

    Lies suck. Too right.

  42. Re:Wil Wheaton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anybody who disagrees with George Dumbya hates America? That's truly retarded.

  43. Re:Just more of the same... by GeneralCern · · Score: 0

    Here is a Columbine +5 Interesting
    It also touched on Isreal/Palestine conflict a bit.
    And my sig has been changed, thanks for pointing that out.

  44. It is not a fair question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "However this is just a measure of the contentious nature of the question - to what extent did the US administration knowingly lie and/or exaggerate the Iraq threat in order to create the case for a war they had already decided upon?"

    It is not a fair question. For one thing, it begins with the assumption of lying. In fact, there is no evidence of lying. For another, the "question" includes the lie that the Administration had already decided on war. The truth is that they gave the Iraqi government plenty of chances to behave reasonably and comply with the sanctions: giving them multiple ways out.

    "I just find it interesting that simply *asking where they are, after all* might be considered flamebait"

    When it is couplied with the phony questions and lies, it is.

  45. Re:Wil Wheaton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Anybody who disagrees with [our elected President] hates America? That's truly retarded."

    I made you look better by getting rid if the playground insult in your statement. The answer is, of course, yes. Most of the time.

    From those who oppose Bush stopping terrorists (leaving the terrorists free to attack the country) to those who want to deepen the recession by opposing Bush's tax cuts for the middle class. As long as there is a political advantage somehow, his opponents don't care how many people get laid off or die in new 9/11's.

  46. Bone of contention by reality-bytes · · Score: 1

    The British intel on weapons was basically, we knew what we sold to them and had an idea what America had sold to them.

    As for everything else, the British seem to believe that it was American intel that was flawed :)...... go figure.

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    1. Re:Bone of contention by zwanglos · · Score: 1

      the truth is so sad sometimes...

  47. Proof of WMD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "What we found was remnants of an old test core 6ft under a guys rosebush. Hardly the threat worth the billions of dollars, lives and man hours it's taken to prevent."

    There was overwhelming proof of WMD's before the US retaliation earlier this year. There was even more proof of the existance of Saddam Hussein.

    Yet, it took months of hunting in order to find him.

    1. Re:Proof of WMD's by bitrott · · Score: 1

      Ok, keep repeating that and it'll become true. All that intelligence was old and proved incomplete.

  48. No Republican would question Bush... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You idiot!