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Off-The-Shelf Online Music Stores

jpkunst writes "The Chicago Sun-Times and C|Net news.com report about a new product from Loudeye Digital Media Solutions and Microsoft: pre-fab online music stores for companies who want to join the digital music goldrush. I wonder when this bubble is going to burst."

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  1. what bubble? by silicongodcom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    when will what bubble burst? best i can remember is that apple's barely making any money at all off the actual music sales, let alone all the companies following

    1. Re:what bubble? by FooAtWFU · · Score: 5, Insightful

      that's the point. Best I can remember is that most of the dot-coms weren't really making ANY money off anything.

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    2. Re:what bubble? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, but Apple has made money off the 4 million iPod's they've sold. It's like giving away condiments with your burger and fries - if you don't offer them, people may go somewhere else.

    3. Re:what bubble? by sagarsanghani · · Score: 5, Insightful

      True, Apple makes about 5 cents a song from itunes. So even selling 25million songs is not a lot of money. However- iTunes is the big trojan horse for selling iPods. And that is why Apple has had its best year -EVER!

    4. Re:what bubble? by the+uNF+cola · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Big difference is, apple can afford to do this. As apple has said, they want to make money for other devices that are promoted by the tunes-store.

      And it's true, it is a bubble. Most fell down -- emusic and a few others tried to do what iTunes is doing now. Now napster 2 and all these other ones are coming out. Eventually, they'll all go away except for a few successful ones.

      The same thing happened with housing, a bubble of people buying off of cheap loans on expensive houses, and now there are a lot of people declaring bancruptcy (s?).

      Same thing happened in the .com era.

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    5. Re:what bubble? by TrippTDF · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is a lot like a little mini-bubble. The big problem is that so many people are hoping on this bandwagon, consumers are not going to know where to turn. Apple will probably come out on top of the pile, as they have the recognition and the coolness factor at the moment. However, consumers stand to become very, very confused in the fray. I for one can't keep track of who has a music service and who does not anymore. Consumers will get overwhelmed by the choice. Hell, the more companies that come out to play. the better it could be for Apple as more and more people turn to the popularity/ease of the store. Still, there is not a lot of profit there. Again, thanks to the RIAA eating a chunk of the money that Apple is taking in. And I suppose that's the real reason it will fail if it does- the RIAA still taking too much of the money to make it feasible. Unless you are trying to push another product, online music sales are going to be a tough business to enter.

    6. Re:what bubble? by Frymaster · · Score: 4, Insightful
      which is why it's going to burst. apple makes money in the long run off hardware sales, but all the "me toos" showing up won't have that second revenue stream - hence failure.

      of course, near-certain doom isn't never enough to stop thousands of get-rich-quickers, people with a low common-sense-to-money ratio and general greedheads from fighting over the steering wheel fo this bandwagon. it's gonna be ugly.

      apple created a whole new business model. microsoft will turn it into a bubble... sigh.

  2. Burst... by swordboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It'll burst when someone creates a non-RIAA internet radio station / distribution hub. Unsigned artists submit their music to the site, a group of public moderators give the music good/bad karma and the good stuff gets streamed to millions of PCs. Users can download the stuff that they like with a simple click and yet another simple click burns it to CD or moves it to the player.

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    1. Re:Burst... by wo1verin3 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Great until some troll mods up Celine Dion and Bryan Adams... :(

    2. Re:Burst... by LetterJ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is like saying that there aren't any painters producing any good paintings. Just because you're trying to buy paintings at garage sales and WalMart doesn't mean that no one is painting great art, just that those places don't have any decent art.

      In almost any style, there are innovative, original musicians making music. For instance, one of my favorite styles is acoustic/roots rock. PasteMusic has a bunch of free MP3s and an Internet <a href="http://www.pastemusic.com/radio/">radio station</a> of their music. In the last 3 months, I've found several artists through them and bought 8 new CD's. Out of those 8, I'd only heard of 1 of the artists before hearing them through Paste. These are not the artists that your local gas station has at the checkout or carried by Target, WalMart or BestBuy. They're also not ultra-rare imports or obscure techno. It's straightforward music, made domestically (for me in the US) that just happens to not be distributed as widely as the popular stuff.

      I haven't bought a CD in the top 40 (or top anything measurable) in several years, but I do buy CD's regularly. Just get off the damn music freeway and see the rest of the music countryside.

  3. Bubble-Bursting.... by Tsali · · Score: 5, Funny

    "I wonder when this bubble is going to burst."

    I'm predicting 2004, second quarter.

    Of course, I'm a software developer, so I don't know squat.

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  4. The important element: WMA by burgburgburg · · Score: 4, Insightful
    LoudEye does all the work, Microsoft gets check after check for licensing WMA technology and their monopoly is extended once again. Oh, and their highly restrictive DMA grasps tighter at the throats of users around the world.

    I'm looking forward to it.

    1. Re:The important element: WMA by Havokmon · · Score: 4, Funny
      Oh, and their highly restrictive DMA grasps tighter at the throats of users around the world.

      The tighter you squeeze, the more users will slip through your fingers...

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  5. Woohoo! by Quasar1999 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now for the love of god, someone buy an iTunes Music store and start selling me the music in Canada!

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  6. The question becomes by smaug195 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When will there be a player that supports all these music services. The iPod supports iTunes, theres a napster player that supports napster, I'm not even sure about the WMA's. I think iTunes will remain the dominant store just on virtue of iPod sales alone.

  7. Yeah, reminds me of the good old days. by aclarke · · Score: 5, Interesting
    At the company I used to work for we built a prefab online CD sales store in 1999. I think our client got around 60 clients running the site before they went belly up. It was a fun project - all the sites were run off a single data/code base with a syndicated industry information populating templates so each site had the same content but looked completely different.

    But back to business ideas: it seems the first wave was taking an existing idea (music stores) and putting "internet" in front of it. Now the idea is taking an existing "internet" idea (online music stores) and making it "digital" (digital online music store).

    Go figure.

  8. Where's the msPod? by mh_tang · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This quote says is all. "Loudeye Digital Music Store, which uses Microsoft's Windows Media 9 series digital media platform..."

    Given the alternatives (mp3 on Kazaa, aac on the iPod) already out there, who is really going to choose to buy their music in .wma format?? I just don't see this really taking off with public. It's a case of too little too late, and trying to copy the iTMS model without really offering anything compelling.

    If you want to really be inspired, read this article from Rolling Stone where they interviewed Steve Jobs, who knows how to do this the right way...

    And then there's Microsoft. What happens to Apple when they build an iTunes-clone into the Windows desktop?
    I think Amazon does pretty well [against Microsoft]. Microsoft hasn't really been able to compete with them -- maybe not wanted to. EBay does pretty well; Google's done pretty well. Actually, AOL's done pretty well -- contrary to a lot of the things people say about them. So there are a lot of examples of people offering services, Internet-based services, that have done quite well. And Apple's in a pretty interesting position. Because, as you may know, almost every song and CD is made on a Mac -- it's recorded on a Mac; it's mixed on a Mac. The artwork's done on a Mac. Almost every artist I've met has an iPod, and most of the music execs now have iPods. And one of the reasons Apple was able to do what we did was because we are perceived by the music industry as the most creative technology company. And now we've created this music store, which I think is nontrivial to copy. I mean, to say that Microsoft can just decide to copy it, and copy it in six months -- that's a big statement. It may not be so easy.
  9. There is no spo^H^H^Hbubble by Unregistered · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple will be the only online music store to survive. Apple makes no profit, so nobody can compete on price points and make a profit. If you charge more people will go to apple instead. Either way, you go bankrupt while apple sells iPods.

    btw, i use iTunes for the 1st time today, so it's not 25,000,001 songs downloaded.

  10. The bubble will burst by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    When Wal-Mart decided to open their own online music service, I started getting skittish. Now I'm positive the whole thing will collapse when any of the following entities announce the creation of their own online music store:

    * K-Mart
    * Home Depot
    * The Municipal Government of Topeka, Kansas
    * Richard Stallman
    * The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals
    * Satan
    * Hormel Foods
    * Gary Coleman
    * Rick and Linda's Bait Shop and Outboard Motor Repair (Jump of I-75 at exit 215B, then head north seven miles to the lake. Can't miss it.)

    If you see any of these, it's time to sell short.

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  11. Re:Why would anyone want to pay for music? by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful
    amen! why pay for gas either? the prices are heinous! just drive off after pumping. And what about food? Why dont we just get it for free by leaving before they give the check? What has this world come to? what has happened to our god given right to free stuff that others work hard to make?

    Another person confusing copyright infringement and theft. *sigh*. If I take your gas and don't pay for it, you don't have the gas to sell to another customer. If I create gas out of thin air that is completely identical to your gas for my own use, you still have your gas to sell and nobody is missing anything. Sharing is GOOD. For Pete's sake, the only people that are against sharing are fscked up RIAA lapdogs who must've been the ones running home to mommy when other kids asked to play with their toys. Selfish pricks.

  12. Re:Remember Netscape? by Unoti · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yeah, but Microsoft plays a pretty mean game of catch-up.

    Witness: the internet. Back in the day, Microsoft was promoting MSN as a non-internet alternative. TCP/IP wasn't even in Windows. Once they saw that the networking was going IP, they played catch-up pretty well.

    Witness: Internet Explorer. Netscape was dominating the browser market for a long time. When Internet Explorer came out, it was terrible technologically. Microsoft was playing catch-up. It seemed ridiculous for Microsoft, this upstart in the internet world, to try to take on Netscape. Netscape had a huge lead.

  13. naturally by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the person who gets rich during the Gold ruch isn't the miners, it's the guy selling shovels.

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  14. Re:Why would anyone want to pay for music? by Gr33nNight · · Score: 4, Funny

    But I WILL NOT share my girlfriend. You can copy her all you want though.

  15. Re:What? by Lev13than · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ok, someone please explain to me why anyone would want to have a cloned music store? What value is added? What are the licensees bringing to the table?

    Customer segmentation. If your website is devoted to, say, West Coast Christian hiphop-jazz fusion and you already attract fan traffic to your site, you can gain an addition revenue stream by offering a wide selection of West Coast Christian hiphop-jazz fusion music. Since you can offer this without any investment in infrastructure, it's money in the bank. The provider is happy becuase they don't need to spend much to get you up and running, so they can increase sales through an aggregator model of boutique stores.

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  16. Re:Why isn't MS going at it directly? by iso · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They're helping because they want to push WMA to as many services as possible. They don't care who wins, just as long as the winner is using their DRM.

    Also, Microsoft has never been a company that jumps into an emerging market. Their behaviour is down to a science:

    1) wait for an emerging market to mature and for the major players to drift up to the top
    2) offer to buy the largest player at slightly less than they're worth
    3) if they refuse, put hundreds of millions of dollars into developing a competing service or product.

    They did it with browsers, game consoles, webmail, you name it. Microsoft will do what they do best -- sit back and wait and then throw their money at the best bet. They call this "innovation."