Slashdot Mirror


Massive Mosaic of Canada

rvr writes "Thanks to compression technology that has reduced the file to 3.3 gigabytes and a collaboration between the Canadian Forest Service and the Canadian Space Agency called the 'Earth Observation for Sustainable Development of Forests', this gigantic image -- the highest-resolution image of Canada freely available -- can now be downloaded to your computer."

46 comments

  1. Where's the .torrent? by FooAtWFU · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It had to be said. Even (especially!) if they can pacel out their bandwidth by making you contact contact "Jeff Dechka, Remote Sensing Data and Product Coordinator at the Canadian Forest Service's Pacific Forestry Centre in Victoria at jdechka@pfc.cfs.nrcan.gc.ca" to download it.

    --
    The World Wide Web is dying. Soon, we shall have only the Internet.
    1. Re:Where's the .torrent? by HansF · · Score: 1

      I think Jeff Dechka will see his mailbox slashdotted bigtime.

      --
      --> Insert Funny Sig Here
  2. Massive Mosaic? by AtariAmarok · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    What is "Massive Mosaic"? Is it a retro-fitting of a retro-browser to include realistic CGI representations of large-scale Orc battles? Since it is Canadian, the orcs say to the Rohirrim: "We shall taste man flesh, eh? Take off, ya horsers!"

    I can't wait: instead of a "Reload" button there is a "Breach Helms Deep Wall" button. And since it is Mosaic, it is refreshingly free of Java and Java Script: we all know that if we were given a choice between an Orbitz popup and an Uruk-Hai head appearing above the edge of a stone wall, we'd choose the latter.

    --
    Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
    1. Re:Massive Mosaic? by GeckoX · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I know that you're excited that the last installment of LOTR is finally out, but that's just not funny if only because it's so far off topic it's bordering on ludicrous.

      --
      No Comment.
  3. kinda skimpy on the technical details by blackcoot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    since i just did a large project project on image compression techniques, i'm really curious to know what they did to get the 28:1 odd compression ratios. based on my (admittedly limited) playing around with jpeg 2000, this seems like it would be an ideal application (in fact, i'm fairly certain they could squeeze even more data into that space at equivalent quality). in my experiments, jpeg 2000 beat the snot out of everything else (using the lovely jasper toolkit)... i don't know of too many other formats which can achieve 100:1 compression ratios in natural images and still have the results be recognizable. either way, very cool for an image processing geek like myself.

    1. Re:kinda skimpy on the technical details by kilonad · · Score: 3, Informative

      Having worked on GIS imagery before (from the Australian government), I'm assuming it's in MrSid format. The 100:1 kind of compression ratios are completely legit, it's really incredible. I believe it uses fractal compression of some sort. It's produced by LizardTech.

      JPEG and JPEG2000 are great for compressing images where you care more about how it looks than preserving the actual data since they use psychovisual enhancements. MrSid does a much better job at preserving the integrity of the data at much much higher compression rates.

    2. Re:kinda skimpy on the technical details by theMerovingian · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have found MrSID compression to be extremely lossy beyond about 20:1. (That's still alot!) I agree - jpegs suck for mapping. My 0.02.

      --
      "If you think you have things under control, you're not going fast enough." --Mario Andretti
    3. Re:kinda skimpy on the technical details by forged · · Score: 3, Informative

      LizardTech make some other awesome products such as Genuine Fractals for Photoshop. Incidentally this is also used by DSLR photography enthusiasts to sharpen their images better than most traditional techniques are able to achieve.

    4. Re:kinda skimpy on the technical details by blackcoot · · Score: 1

      how do you measure the degree to which the integrity of the data is preserved? psnr? mse? some other metric? i'm curious because jpeg2k is radically different from jpeg. and what in geospatial imaging qualifies as important data? reason i ask is that at least as far as computer vision goes, we lack the knowledge necessary to extract important image features other than texture, edgels, and "corners". in fact, there's often so much redundant information in an image that you pretty much have to throw away 80-95% of the image before you can start to understand what's going on. do the multispectral images you gis guys use have similar levels of redundancy? i'm curious to know -- all the people i know either do medical imagery (i.e. require lossless compression of huge images), document imaging (yay for jbig) or vision stuff, so i'm curious to know what rules you gis imaging folk play by ;-)

    5. Re:kinda skimpy on the technical details by pipingguy · · Score: 1

      since i just did a large project project on image compression techniques, i'm really curious to know what they did to get the 28:1 odd compression ratios

      That's easy; they just compressed the parts of Canada that have nothing in it.

    6. Re:kinda skimpy on the technical details by GigsVT · · Score: 2, Informative

      MrSid is kinda a proprietary format though, which is unfortunate. When I needed to extract a MrSid file under Linux to a JPG format, I had to run the free (beer) DOS binary version of the MrSid converter that they provide, inside of Wine.

      I seem to recall them offering some sort of binary-only Linux version, that didn't work or something. I know I couldn't get a JPG of the whole image out of it.

      --
      I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
    7. Re:kinda skimpy on the technical details by EricV314a · · Score: 1

      wouldn't they have got it up to about 1000:1 that way?

    8. Re:kinda skimpy on the technical details by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the source data is indeed MrSid. Apparently the source data is freely available on the internet as well. For example, compare the area northwest of the Hudson Bay (just above the center of the image showing entire Canada ) to this page. (You need to accept a certificate.) Note the two reddish/brownish areas. Coincident? Nah. :) Also the clouds, light reflection and ice coverage is similar to the ESAD images. BTW, Almost the entire world is available at the ESAD site, with 28.5 m resolution.

    9. Re:kinda skimpy on the technical details by adyk · · Score: 1
      The image took me 19 hr to download.

      The download instruction page states "The full mosaic image file is in an ECW format. You can view this product with a free viewer called ER Viewer...

      ECW is Enhanced Compressed Wavelet. developed by ERMapper. The image was compressed using ECW because it was pieced together using ERMapper. 3.2 GB fits nicely on a DVD.

      Has anyone else downloaded the image? How long did it take?

  4. Heh. by Scarblac · · Score: 4, Funny

    this gigantic image -- the highest-resolution image of Canada freely available --

    Everyone who thought that was a direct link to the actual image raise your hands :-)

    Know the feeling? "Man, that's going to be the biggest Slashdotting ever! Poor Canadians! Must... click... link..."

    --
    I believe posters are recognized by their sig. So I made one.
  5. Except you can't download it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative
    can now be downloaded to your computer

    Except that you can't:

    To learn how you can obtain a copy of the Canada Mosaic, contact Jeff Dechka, Remote Sensing Data and Product Coordinator at the Canadian Forest Service's Pacific Forestry Centre in Victoria at jdechka@pfc.cfs.nrcan.gc.ca

    Oh well.

    1. Re:Except you can't download it by Iamthefallen · · Score: 1

      Perhaps to prevent those with too much bandwith and too little to do from downloading it just for the hell of it?

      --
      Wax-Museum Fire Results In Hundreds Of New Danny DeVito Statues
    2. Re:Except you can't download it by dnahelix · · Score: 1

      Another example of someone being in such a tizzy to get a submission in, they didn't actually read the article first... You suck, rvr.

      --
      Slashdot Eds Link Anonymous Posts With Logged Posts
      They Are Vermin Feeding On Each Other's Feces.
      I Hate \.
    3. Re:Except you can't download it by zeno_2 · · Score: 1
      Except you can, you just have to read the article.. Here's the link for those that can't read.

      Link.

      After looking, I don't even see the bold text you copied from the article..

    4. Re:Except you can't download it by rvr · · Score: 1

      I didn't want to put up the link to the full image - I figured the smaller jpegs most people would be interested in anyways. I was in no tizzy, but this is slashdot, so someone was in such a tizzy to tell someone they suck they didn't actually speak to the poster first.

  6. Apparently Canada Has Expanded by Cy+Guy · · Score: 5, Funny

    The picture (or at least the thumbnail versions) contains all of New England, New York, Michigan and much of the Midwest, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey. And I think a parts of the rest of the northern border states.

    But I for one welcome our new Canadian Overlords.

    1. Re:Apparently Canada Has Expanded by MagikSlinger · · Score: 1
      The picture (or at least the thumbnail versions) contains all of New England, New York, Michigan and much of the Midwest, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey. And I think a parts of the rest of the northern border states.

      Shhh! It's part of Operation Snowgoose. Why do you think those States considering importing cheap prescriptions from Canada are included in the photo? ;-)

      But I for one welcome our new Canadian Overlords

      Free medicare for you!

      --
      The bitter lessons of a veteran coder: http://bitterprogrammer.blogspot.com
  7. Apex 2600? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "...Progressive Scan DVD $40 [amazon.com] ..."

    Will this Apex AD-2600 do region-free, macrovision-free and "skip to next works in all sections" ?

  8. [Q] Hi-Res Elsewhere? [Q] Quality Print? by 4of12 · · Score: 0, Troll

    Nothing against Canada - some of my best friends are Canadian (that doesn't mean I'd let my daughter marry one) BUT:

    Are high resolution satellite/aerial images available for other locations?

    No, I don't expect to be able to buy hi-res images of Area 51, but was looking for my neighborhood.

    Also, are there ways of getting really nice poster prints of high resolution images?

    --
    "Provided by the management for your protection."
    1. Re:[Q] Hi-Res Elsewhere? [Q] Quality Print? by NoStrings · · Score: 3, Informative


      I'm not sure if this is high-res enough for you, but you might want to try Terra Server.

      It seems to work fairly well for US locations, and not work well for other (Canadian) searches.

    2. Re:[Q] Hi-Res Elsewhere? [Q] Quality Print? by theMerovingian · · Score: 5, Informative

      Are high resolution satellite/aerial images available for other locations?

      Yes. Do a google for your state/province and "GIS data". Most US states have some sort of FTP setup with elevation maps, aerial images, and topographic maps to download.

      No, I don't expect to be able to buy hi-res images of Area 51, but was looking for my neighborhood.

      Actually, I used to work for Space Imaging, and their conference demo was a 3D flyover of Area51 that had elevation and 1-meter resolution color imagery. To get a quickie on your neighborhood, check out Terraserver.

      Also, are there ways of getting really nice poster prints of high resolution images?

      www.mytopo.com

      USGS extension office

      Space Imaging has some famous stuff for sale as posters (pyramids, WTC site, etc.)

      --
      "If you think you have things under control, you're not going fast enough." --Mario Andretti
    3. Re:[Q] Hi-Res Elsewhere? [Q] Quality Print? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Wow, those are awesome prices for poster prints at mytopo.com. Happen to know anyplace that will print custom images for similar prices?

      --
      Give me Classic Slashdot or give me death!
  9. No Wonder Their Taxes Are So High by fuzzybunny · · Score: 2, Funny

    Bob: Do the theme, eh?

    Doug [gives Great White North theme]

    Bob: Good day, eh. Oh, hey, do our new movie theme, eh?

    Doug [gives Great White North fanfare]

    Bob: Beauty, eh? Good day, I'm Bob McKenzie, this is my brother Doug.

    Doug: How's it going, eh?

    Bob: Wait a second, you hoser, you can't spend all that cash on this big mosaic thing, eh? That's dad's beer money!

    --
    Cole's Law: Thinly sliced cabbage
  10. Re:But I thought Canada only had one road... by karnal · · Score: 0, Troll

    I wish I had mod points....

    "I can sodomize my children again!!!"

    --
    Karnal
  11. Area 51 by metamatic · · Score: 1

    Actually, you can buy hi-res images of Area 51.

    --
    GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
  12. several problems by theMerovingian · · Score: 1

    It is more significant to know the image resolution than the file size. This is represented by the number of ground units a single pixel takes up. 5 meter resolution refers to each pixel being 5 square meters (obviously). For mapping grade imagery, you want at least 5 meters. The standard is moving much closer to 1 meter as companies like Space Imaging start to dominate the market.

    The performance is TERRIBLE on single large images, if you plan to use it at multiple zoom scales. It is much more efficient to have a spatially indexed series of seamless smaller images. This index, known as an image catalog in the GIS world, is basically a database with image coordinates and file names. When you zoom in to a given area on the map, the geographic coordinates are used to determine which images to display.

    It is possible to compress the file size using such means as jpeg, but this is not thought of very highly in the mapping world. The ideal is to have a georeferenced (has a *.tfw header file that contains the coordinates for one of the image corners) tiff file, and to add compression using a package like MrSID. People who use air photos frequently will have two datasets: a compressed one and a standard tiff. It is much easier to change a map projection on an uncompressed image.

    If you have some $, there is a software package called SDE that enables high performance raster display for mapping purposes. It works really well, but you are getting locked into a highly proprietary and expensive format.

    --
    "If you think you have things under control, you're not going fast enough." --Mario Andretti
  13. Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can see my house from here!

    LJB

  14. I can see my house from there! by schnits0r · · Score: 2

    no really, I can

    1. Re:I can see my house from there! by JonMartin · · Score: 1

      Neat, I can actually see the University of Alberta where I work.

      --
      Serve Gonk.
    2. Re:I can see my house from there! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Loser... I'll bet you went to Walter Murray or E.D.Feehan or one of them other loser high schools.

      Aden Bowman is the best

  15. No! Boycott this !!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Terraserver is microsoft.

    Try these guys instead.

  16. Uh, how are you going to display it ? by forged · · Score: 1

    Clearely this must beat the giga pixel stitch which I remember from not long ago. OK arguably not the same thing, but I had that in mind when I read about the size of the images.... The result is a massive mosaic of digital images 85 gigabytes big. I mean, Geez :)

  17. 3.3gb I want it by shadowofdarkness · · Score: 1

    Ahh man my porch light was on.

    Really who read the headline and thought they would actually put up the 3.3gb file. Now that would be a slashdotting to remember

  18. Re:But I thought Canada only had one road... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obviously someone doesn't watch SouthPark.

    Asshats.

  19. Old Data by TALlama · · Score: 1

    These pictures are clearly from the 70s; the cities are purple and the rest of it is neon green. Obviously the work of blacklights.

    --

    - The Amazina Llama

  20. But it's Canada... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Damn you canada, damn you!!!!

  21. Link to download page by Cyberop5 · · Score: 1

    Link to the download page: http://www.pfc.cfs.nrcan.gc.ca/eosd/resources/mosa ic_e.html

    Anyone have a torrent yet?

    --
    Urgo: "I want to live. I want to experience the universe and I want to eat pie!"
    Jack: "Who doesn't??"
  22. At Long Last by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Proof that us Canadians sure know how to paint the town red.

  23. If this is a picture of canada... by Caeda · · Score: 0

    How come I can see the part of wisconsin that I live in?... Quite identifiable what with the ground being so flat an open here, shows up well on topographs and space shots...

    --
    ~~ Please keep your arms, legs, and outright stupidity inside the ride at all times. Thank You ~~
  24. Ahrrrr Me Maytees, 'Tis A Thing Of Beauty! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I downloaded the mondo Canuck satellite image, and it is astounding! Considering the thing is managing 3.2G of data, the viewer is amazingly responsive too.

    Surf our beautiful country, from sea to shining sea, in seconds. Check it out... Whistler, Montreal, the Thousand Islands, the James Bay hydro project, Vancouver, Tranna, PEI, the Gaspe Rock... all of it in scrumptious detail.

    If you love south of the border (you have my pity) it's still worthwhile downloading this beast. NYC, Seattle, Mt. Saint Helen's, Acadia National Park, Lake Champlain, Boston, Detroit, the Great Lakes, lovely li'l ole Vermont... they're all covered.

    I'm amazed my PII 1.8G 640M machine can handle this this thing so well. Kudos to the Canadian imaging geeks at NRC. Well freakin done!

    Rich (Canuck Map Geek)