Fedora Core 2 Schedule Up

An anonymous reader writes "The Fedora website has posted a schedule for their second release. " Now that the 2.6 Kernel is out, I imagine all the major distributions will have updates relatively soon.

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Lets hope the new glibc will be out before fedora

[the_2nd_coming]

enters freeze. then we can get a system that uses all the features of 2.6 to their max.

2.6.0 RPMs are already out

[The One KEA]

Arjan van der Ven has a directory here which has RedHat RPMs available for 2.6 and all of the userspace components needed to run it properly.

Re:2.6.0 RPMs are already out

[Wesley Felter]

Those RPMs have been pretty much obsoleted since 2.6 is in rawhide.

Re:2.6.0 RPMs are already out

[rgmoore]

It's already available on the testing channel for Fedora. If you have the updates-testing in your yum configuration, you can update to 2.6 with a yum update.

Sounds like folks are already.....

[tcopeland]

...having good experiences with the current Fedora release. Good to see this working out.

Mmmmm

[friendofafriend]

This page last modified at: 2003/12/12 18:05:01

Nothing new here, please move along.

Updates: Yes; Default: No.

[Anonymous Coward]

Updates will be out, yes, but most distributions have already had 2.6 updates available as a "No, it's not ready yet, but here you go."

Remember how fun 2.4 was when it first came out?

Yeah.

whats the schedual for 2.7?

[Anonymous Coward]

we have had 2.6 for a number of hours now, its time to move on... whats the schedual for 2.7 or 2.8?

2.6.0 experiences

[xchino]

I know alot of this was mentioned last night when the story of the kernel release came out, but I thought I'd mention it anyways.

There are two new interfaces to configuring the kernel. xconfig (based on QT) and gconfig, as well as the old menuconfig. I only tried xconfig and menuconfig, but they both worked fine and more quickly than their predecessors.

When compiling your kernel, drop the make dep and make clean and just #make bzImage modules modules_install. It might just be my imagination, but it seems like it took half the time to compile 2.6.0 and modules as it did for 2.4.23-pre6 which I was using.

If you get an error message like QM_MODULES: Function not implemented you haven't gotten the module-init-tools for 2.6.0 installed.

Nvidia users need to patch the nvidia-kernel sources with the appropriate diff from http://www.minion.de and apply before installing your new nvidia.o. My install went like this (Gentoo 1.4):
1. Get the nvidia-kernel package
#emerge -f nvidia-kernel
(if it's not already is /usr/portage/distfile)
2. Extract nvidia-kernel
#sh NVIDIA-Linux-...-pk0 --extract-only
3. Patch driver
#cd usr/src/nv
#patch -p1 NVIDIA_Kernel-1.0.4496-2.6.diff
#ln -s Makefile.kbuild Makefile
#make install

Hope this helps someone out there, I spent an hour or two googling to figure this out, so I hope I can save someone the trouble :)

Re:2.6.0 experiences

[The Analog Kid]

If your using Gentoo, then just emerge nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx, and portage will autodetect you running the 2.6 kernel and automatically patch it for you.

Re:Hopefully Not

[GrenDel Fuego]

Fedora is basically Redhat's testbed for new technology, so it makes perfect sense for them to push out 2.6 this quickly.

Debian Press Release

[SparkMan]

In response to the recent release of kernel 2.6.0, Debian is accelerating their development cycle and plans to immediately release a stable distribution containing the new kernel. Look for this new version sometime in 2005.


(actually I'm a big fan of Debian but they gotta do something about their 2-year release cycles)

Re:Debian Press Release

[SparkMan]

I'll tell you why.

Because I love and use Debian, but contrary to what the Debian fanatics will tell you, the testing/unstable versions are unusable for serious business. So, I have to use the stable build, which has many good qualities, but as others have noted... kernel 2.2 as the default kernel?!? X Window System is a P.I.T.A. for anybody but an X god and forget about detecting my Radeon. GCC in stable is so old that there are ANSI compatibility problems. etc. etc. And no, package pinning does NOT solve any of this.

I absolutely despise Windows, but at least I can run recent compilers on Windows 98 without having to compile the compilers myself. At least the latest games still work.

I'm not merely complaining idly. If I could pay $50 for a stable version of Debian that worked right, had reasonably modern versions of everything, and was still idealistically free, I'd be first in line with my checkbook.

Re:Debian Press Release

[swillden]

In response to the recent release of kernel 2.6.0, Debian is accelerating their development cycle and plans to immediately release a stable distribution containing the new kernel. Look for this new version sometime in 2005.

Actually, 2005 is about right.

What just released is 2.6.0. Looking at the past history of kernel releases -- or even just reading the comments of kernel developers about this release -- you'd have to be an absolute fool to put this on an an important production server now.

It's important to understand the Linux kernel release cycle. When Linus cuts loose a "stable" release, that does not mean that it's stable in the sense of "reliable", it means it's stable in the sense that developers aren't going to be hacking the guts apart (well, excepting the 2.4 VM thing, which actually supports my point). There are going to be problems for a while, and that's just part of the process.

Nope, if your workload is important, you'll want to wait a few minor versions. From what I read on LKML, the developers think that 2.6 will stabilize a lot faster than 2.4 did, because 2.6.0 is a lot more solid that 2.4.0 was, but you still probably shouldn't even think about it for serious production work until at least 2.6.5, and even then you'd better test the crap out of it (never a bad idea anyway).

So, figure that about six months from now, 2.6 will be solid enough to be the default kernel in less conservative distributions. At that point, Debian will be watching how well everyone else fares with it. A year or so later, they'll have some confidence that it's trustworthy. The next release after that, it will probably be the default. In the meantime, 2.6 will probably be available in woody fairly soon, and is already available in sarge, though it's very unlikely to be the default when sarge is released.

Meanwhile, one of my Debian unstable boxes is happily running a Debian-provided 2.6 and has been for a couple of months now.

Re:Hopefully Not

[Alan Cox]

There is plenty of time between now and when FC2 is released for that kernel to stabilize further and old drivers get tidied up (if anyone actually uses them any more). The core stuff is looking very solid and passes test suites that killed early 2.4.x

Positive so far on Fedora

[Ars-Fartsica]

There have been complaints about the stability of some Fedora 1 components but by and large I commend RedHat for further freeing their user-oriented distro by unencumbering the copyright issues that caused PinkTie etc to spring forth.

I think /. should replace the RedHat logo since there is a clear distinction between the Fedora product and RedHat's primary branded offering, and this would also recognize the community of non-RedHat employees contributing to Fedora.

Updates Soon?

[sflory]

There will be unofficial updates for testing, but the big boys will holding off for months. Doesn't anyone remember the pain and suffering of 2.4.0-2.4.12? Linus and co ripped out, and replaced the vm code twice in the 2.4.0 to 2.4.11 time frame.

Red Hat didn't release a 2.4 kernel untill 2.4.7, and pretty much everyone considered it broken. Sure gentoo and the rest of the bleeding edge are already running 2.6.

Re:Lets hope the new glibc will be out before fedo

[the_2nd_coming]

umm, if it is part of the next version, when you apt-get upgrade, or yum update, you should have a fedora 2 system working fine.

Re:Lets hope the new glibc will be out before fedo

[Anonymous Coward]

The biggest glibc change is moving to the NPTL threading system. Red Hat has already done so with Fedora 1, now it'll be interesting to see if and how other distros manage to take advantage of all the testing done by RH. Also, you can be quite sure any further changes needed for Fedora 2 will be made in time to glibc, as Red Hat is the defacto primary developer of said system these days.

Funny name.. core

[cyb97]

The word core makes me instantly think of core-dumps... Kind of like if Microsoft named their next Windows version "Microsoft BlueScreen"

Re:i agree

[cyb97]

Is this really where linux is going, one distro for this kind of utilities and one distro for security, another for network-chores and this one for mailservers etc.

I know you can't win them all, aren't there enough distroes out there. What the world needs now is more people contributing to the existing projects rather than people forking new projects.

I'd rather see 10 new RedHat/Debian/Whatever developers than 10 new distroes specializing in their own thing. Why not create the necessary packages for a smashing audio-distro and submit them to your favourite distro ?

Re:Lets hope the new glibc will be out before fedo

[AstroDrabb]

I am using Fedora Core 1 now and find it very stable, fast and well put together. The only problem is that it is a little "bleeding" edge for 3rd party apps. My Netlock VPN client doesn't work with the stock FC1 kernel so I had to install a Red Hat 9 kernel. I cannot get the Corda graphing server to run, and various issues with the newer NPTL and glibc stuff that requires patches to get Oracle to run. Though with Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3 with similar packages, the 3rd party support should pick up soon. Overall it is a good desktop, especially with freshrpms.net to get tons of extra packages.

Re:Lets hope the new glibc will be out before fedo

[T-Ranger]

Uh, the whole point of Fedora Core 1 is that it is bleeding edge. If your want something that is stable, FC-1 isnt it.

Re:Lets hope the new glibc will be out before fedo

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes, I'm anticipating that the Natalie Portman Threading Library will be something very special.

Re:Boot CD's with 2.6?

[AlXtreme]

That's Morphix damnit, next thing they'll be calling it Muppix and expecting green frogs jumping around...

Anyway, main reason is that cloop needs to be ported to 2.6 and everyone's too lazy to do it. Klaus is busy as hell, and everyone else is waiting for Klaus :-)