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Fedora Core 2 Schedule Up
An anonymous reader writes "The Fedora website has posted a schedule for their second release. " Now that the 2.6 Kernel is out, I imagine all the major distributions will have updates relatively soon.
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forty five!
enters freeze. then we can get a system that uses all the features of 2.6 to their max.
I am the Alpha and the Omega-3
n/t, just a question.
Natalie Portman! Hot grits! Karma whore!
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Gator is Spyware
Microsoft is thugs
FIRST POST-- MICROSOFT RULES
I won't update without iTunes! And particularly not without DRM'd AAC files!
Arjan van der Ven has a directory here which has RedHat RPMs available for 2.6 and all of the userspace components needed to run it properly.
SCREW THE ADS! http://adblock.mozdev.org/ Proud user of teh Fox of Fire - Registered Linux User #289618
n/t, just an observation
...having good experiences with the current Fedora release. Good to see this working out.
The Army reading list
Like, ohmigawd! Like that would be, like, TOTALLY BITCHIN'! That would be so grody if they didn't!
My penis is hurting me real bad, I think I'm just going to chop it off, and get breast implants, what do you suggest.
Please advise!
Sorry, I need to have Brian update the page, but for all days/times mentioned, please NOTE THE FOLLOWING:
- Location: Unless specified otherwise, Cambridge, MA USA
- Time Zone: Again, unless specified, -05:00 EST
This is crucial. Like I said, I'll email the list and Brian will take care of this, but for now, MOD THIS UP and we'll take care of the rest.
Thanks for your interest in Fedora. Check out advanced Fedora 2 Test Screenshots for some great eye candy!
Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate. Ex-O'Reilly/MIT employee, now a full-time Google employee.
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Nothing new here, please move along.
...if i had any clue at all how to do these kind of things, i'd love to see:
1) Fedora Live! (with preferences from flash pen);
2) Easily, optionally install 1) on a harddrive;
3) Make an alternate version of 1) based on the tips/howto's at Planet CCRMA for multimedia/musicians's applications.
With kernel 2.6 coming, it would be so sweet if there was some kind of way to walk up to a machine and just make it a DAW using nothing more than a CDROM and a flash pen, just overrwrite whatever is on the HD.
Big problem is the CDROM, HD and sound optimizations, I guess.
But you know, this is just a dream...I think Fedora Core 1 is great, a lot of fun, and the HOWTOs/FAQs have made the little issues on the distro disappear really easy.
I'd say Fedora is going to continue to be a great success.
Updates will be out, yes, but most distributions have already had 2.6 updates available as a "No, it's not ready yet, but here you go."
Remember how fun 2.4 was when it first came out?
Yeah.
will we see debian stable with 2.6.x in 2 or 3 years?
[it's ment to be funny...i love my debian boxs]
I tried to edit the Knoppix ISO here a few weeks ago but it didn't work.
Suggestions please!
Help fight continental drift.
screen resolution? I want that...where do I get it?
Personally I hope other distros don't change their release schedules around the new kernel. I think it would be foolish for a distro to release a product running on 2.6.0 as default. Best to stick with the 2.4.x series and have the 2.6.x series available as an unsupported extra to avoid any nasty surprises.
Hence if the next release of a distro was to be built on 2.4.x with 2.6 development kernel included, there is likely no need for a change in release schedule.
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Any man who can drive safely while kissing a pretty girl is simply not giving the kiss the attention it deserves. -- AE
Shit man 2.2 is still the defualt kernel in debian.
If you want to be all daring and try a crazy new kernel like 2.4.something there is that option but wow nellie that's bleeding edge stuff!
Don't bother using Debian, since Debian is a piece of crap.
Fedora is a 1000X better than Debian.
Dear Dr. Asswrangler,
My 13 year old son told me that he was ON TEH SPOKE!!!!!11!!11 yesterday. What is "TEH SPOKE"? Is this something I should worry about?
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Mother of TEH SPOKE
Buttlips, CA
Dear Mother,
Your son is a faggot.
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Dr. Asswrangler
core FEDORAS YOU!!!
we have had 2.6 for a number of hours now, its time to move on... whats the schedual for 2.7 or 2.8?
I know alot of this was mentioned last night when the story of the kernel release came out, but I thought I'd mention it anyways.
/usr/portage/distfile)
:)
There are two new interfaces to configuring the kernel. xconfig (based on QT) and gconfig, as well as the old menuconfig. I only tried xconfig and menuconfig, but they both worked fine and more quickly than their predecessors.
When compiling your kernel, drop the make dep and make clean and just #make bzImage modules modules_install. It might just be my imagination, but it seems like it took half the time to compile 2.6.0 and modules as it did for 2.4.23-pre6 which I was using.
If you get an error message like QM_MODULES: Function not implemented you haven't gotten the module-init-tools for 2.6.0 installed.
Nvidia users need to patch the nvidia-kernel sources with the appropriate diff from http://www.minion.de and apply before installing your new nvidia.o. My install went like this (Gentoo 1.4):
1. Get the nvidia-kernel package
#emerge -f nvidia-kernel
(if it's not already is
2. Extract nvidia-kernel
#sh NVIDIA-Linux-...-pk0 --extract-only
3. Patch driver
#cd usr/src/nv
#patch -p1 NVIDIA_Kernel-1.0.4496-2.6.diff
#ln -s Makefile.kbuild Makefile
#make install
Hope this helps someone out there, I spent an hour or two googling to figure this out, so I hope I can save someone the trouble
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.
FYI - several of the thumbnails down towards the bottom of the page don't match the screen screenshot they link to.
Which thinkpad are you installing on, btw?
+++ UGUCAUCGUAUUUCU
Stop that. Now. Or I'll post my New Year's decision list.
You have been warned.
In response to the recent release of kernel 2.6.0, Debian is accelerating their development cycle and plans to immediately release a stable distribution containing the new kernel. Look for this new version sometime in 2005.
(actually I'm a big fan of Debian but they gotta do something about their 2-year release cycles)
-- laws are the opinions of politicians --
Seriously. Go install debian...
It will ask you if you want to try the unstable and bleeding edge 2.4 to show that debian can provide the "Cutting edge technology" but they strongly recommend you stick with the defualt 2.2.
I don't lie, go check it out.
This confirms it. Debian is dying. Fedora will be the new true open source community distro that can keep up with the times.
Please, PLEASE don't ask for that... Everytime I have to update glibc I end up breaking my whole system. =P
Banaaaana!
Debian Docs
I think /. should replace the RedHat logo since there is a clear distinction between the Fedora product and RedHat's primary branded offering, and this would also recognize the community of non-RedHat employees contributing to Fedora.
"Now that the 2.6 Kernel is out, I imagine all the major distributions will have updates relatively soon."
Why do you care? You're a schill for Steve Jobs now.
There will be unofficial updates for testing, but the big boys will holding off for months. Doesn't anyone remember the pain and suffering of 2.4.0-2.4.12? Linus and co ripped out, and replaced the vm code twice in the 2.4.0 to 2.4.11 time frame.
Red Hat didn't release a 2.4 kernel untill 2.4.7, and pretty much everyone considered it broken. Sure gentoo and the rest of the bleeding edge are already running 2.6.
IANALBIPOOGL (I am not a Lawyer, but I play one on GrokLaw.)
then again a truthful troll is still a troll.
MS Sucks - truthful, but not nice, *troll*
SCO Sucks - truthful, but still trolling *troll*
your mom sucks - probably not true, otherwise she would have swallowed you rather then birthing you. *stupid troll*
umm, if it is part of the next version, when you apt-get upgrade, or yum update, you should have a fedora 2 system working fine.
I am the Alpha and the Omega-3
Open source may be good, but there is one example that sticks out like a sore thumb as a problem with open source. Debian gnu/Linux. It is offically the Worst Linux Distribution ever made.
First of all, Debian has the most out of date software packages of any major mainstream distros. Even in the unstable version, is KDE 2.2 and Gnome 2.0, with Xfree86 4.1 (A version that really sucks). There are literally years that pass between each update of Debian.
Secondly, its a pain in the rear to set up, first of all, you are forced to use Kernel 2.2, which is horribly hacked with "backports" to get any use on any modern machine (Read, made after 1999). Good luck memorizing all the *.ko files in
Configuring XFree86 is a pain! If you don't have a Thick X11 orilley book, and a list of your horizontal sync values from your monitor's intruction manual (if you even have one), BOOM! There goes your monitor.
Even then, good luck getting anything over 640x480@16 colours.
The most common response to help questions on the Debian mailing list is "n00b, READ THE MANUAL, you idiot, go back to WINDOWS XP if you can't learn to use dselect", true too, search the archives if you think I'm lying. Other distros give you comprehensive PRINTED MANUALS, PHONE SUPPPORT and/or freindly forums where repling RTM gets you banned!
Debians support for any decent hardware, including USB mice, scanners, Sound cards, heck even Serial devices struggle. If you can even get 80x25 text mode with PS/2 input devices you are really lucky.
Apt-get has many flaws. First of all it uses a non standard package format (the rest of the world uses RPM, deprecate the DEB format!), has broken respetories, and out of date software to install. All this combined with the kludgey dselect user interface make package management a nightmare.
And if you think I'm joking about this, find out why THOUSANDS of Debian users are switching to REAL distributions Debian is falling to pieces, if it is to survive any market share it will be through its superior forks (Xandros, Lindows, K/G-noppix) and unoffical package respetories.
Of course, while all this is going on, the only thing the Debian maintainers do is argue about politics on the mailing lists. The distribution decays while its creators argue over inane details like software licensing and the virtues of Marxism. Please! Spare me the political rhetoric and just give me a working distro!
Don't get me wrong, I love Linux, and I'm happily using distros such as Mandrake, SuSE, Gentoo and Fedora. But I'm sick to death of zealots that push obsolete Distros on me EVERY FREAKING TIME linux is mentioned. I'm speaking from real world experiance here.
Um, you realise you can do this is Fedora Core 1 right? I have the applet right here - you could do it in red hat 9 too if you used the command line ;)
fedora screenshot from Fedora 2 Test Screenshots.
I must care more about my eyes...
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The biggest glibc change is moving to the NPTL threading system. Red Hat has already done so with Fedora 1, now it'll be interesting to see if and how other distros manage to take advantage of all the testing done by RH. Also, you can be quite sure any further changes needed for Fedora 2 will be made in time to glibc, as Red Hat is the defacto primary developer of said system these days.
i agree.
:D
I'd love to have a distro tuned for audio...
though I'd rather have normal distros tuned for audio (i.e. the low latency patch, alsa, a few apps like rosegarden, ardour, audacity, csound, a few others...)
at least we now don't have to install Alsa ourselves.
music - http://www.subatomicglue.com
Seriously. I recently switched to Fedora and am wondering what the heck that NPTL label is on the kernel in Grub.
The word core makes me instantly think of core-dumps... Kind of like if Microsoft named their next Windows version "Microsoft BlueScreen"
nice way to increase karma, very professional
especially the MOD THIS UP part is hilarious. slaughter.edu... very funny.
this guy is a very impolite, crap-posting troll
check his recent posts (especially the insults written in CAPS). i don't care if this costs me (offtopic, troll, whatever) karma, please mod parent according to his behaviour.
MOD parent DOWN!!! /. must NOT support this blatant F4GGOTRY!!!!! i H4T3 J0-0 all!!! call me!!!
Check out advanced Fedora 2 Test Screenshots for some great eye candy!
If you actually look at the page, and look at the date at the bottom - Last update October 14th, 2003. - you'd realise that these are screenshots from Fedora Test 2, not Fedora 2 Test. That is, it's the second Test release prior to Fedora Core 1.
Slower than Windows 2000 on a Celeron 300! Better wait until core 5 comes out in 2006!
Linux's House of Suits (Preston)
By Rob Preston, Network Computing
Linus Torvalds is a man of many metaphors. In championing his company's claims to some of the source code behind SCO, the Linux Group chief fancies himself an environmentalist ("It's like cleaning up the Exxon Valdez!"), libertarian ("There's no such thing as a free lunch!"), besieged politician ("We're on the side of the silent majority!"), even Biblical hero ("This is a David and Goliath battle!"). But the more Torvalds talks, the more he sounds like a mere opportunist.
When Torvalds discusses Linux's three growth opportunities, only one of them--migrating the company's Unix customers to product upgrades--has anything to do with creating value. The other two prongs of Linux's strategy--dunning SCO users $1,399 per CPU in license fees for allegedly running morsels of its Unix code, and collecting on its $3 billion copyright-infringement lawsuit against SCO developer IBM--are based on litigation or the threat of litigation. Such tactics are a throwback to the Internet bubble economy, when it mattered little what a company made or sold as long as its clever business model kept Wall Street happy. What's important, evidently, is the potential to "monetize" customers rather than actually serve their needs.
While busy monetizing, however, Linux abandoned its only growth market--its SCO customer base. Torvalds may say that migrating its Unix customers to updated products is a multibillion-dollar opportunity, but Linux isn't focusing nearly as much on Unix as it is on harassing SCO partisans. Last month, Linux secured $50 million in private financing to do just that; the company then set aside millions of dollars in cash and stock to retain heavyweight litigants Boies, Schiller & Flexner.
Torvalds is unapologetic. "The last time I checked, the CEO was in charge of shareholder value," he said in a recent interview with CRN, "not standing around the campfire singing 'Kumbaya' with the SCO world."
Fair enough. Every company has the right to protect its intellectual property (though Linux hasn't provided much evidence to support its legal claims). Regardless, it seems a tad shallow to base two-thirds of your company's growth strategy on suing people--customers, potential customers, other vendors. Although you can't deny that this strategy has succeeded so far--Linux's market cap has soared more than tenfold in a year--you can't help but wonder when the house that Torvalds built will come tumbling down.
Linux reminds me of Walker Digital, the legal machine created by Priceline.com founder Jay Walker in the mid-'90s. You may recall that Walker Digital patented hundreds of digitally grounded "business processes" it claimed to have invented, like ways for magazines to bill subscribers automatically online for renewals or for airline passengers to log in seat upgrades. Walker insisted that his company would strike it rich by collecting royalty fees on those patents and, potentially, infringement damages. Like Linux's, its business model, assembled in the early commercial stages of a major technology movement, was based on heavy-duty lawyering. Today, having laid off most of its 130 or so "inventors," attorneys and support staff, Walker Digital is little more than a shell.
As for Linux, having failed to get any enterprise other than one phantom Fortune 500 user to sign up for its SCO licensing program, the company now plans to sue a high-profile SCO user within the next couple of months. And once Apple completes its acquisition of SCO distributor SuSE, Linux intends to sue Apple for alleged violation of a noncompete clause the two companies signed in 1995, when the former Santa Cruz Operation bought Apple's rights to Unix. Linux says other offending "industry consortia" and technology companies are fair game.
No one respects a bully, especially one who's not all that big and mean-looking. But no one respects an environmentally correct, libertarian David who pretends to be taking the high moral ground, either.
--Rob Preston, rpreston@cmp.com
Help, I am a Linux user trapped in Windows! What should i do? Should i dig into the cygnus, set the bird on fire or slow the gulls?
But what ever you suggest, GET ME OUT OF HERE!
P.S. Merry Christmas!
YOU FAIL IT!
those are screenshots of the prereleases of fedora core 1
just like the trollpost above... i wonder how much attention the moderators are spending on verification of the links.
look at the replies!!!
It's interesting to see how Red Hat is contributing not only to glibc, but also playing the leading role in for example GCC development. It should give the RH bashers something to think about.
Does Havoc work on the freedesktop.org effort on RH's paycheck? I'm guessing he is, but I'm not sure. RH has said they're pretty much not interested in the desktop at the moment, yet outside RH probably only Ximian/Novell can compete with the number of core GNOME developers under a single roof.
I am using Fedora Core 1 now and find it very stable, fast and well put together. The only problem is that it is a little "bleeding" edge for 3rd party apps. My Netlock VPN client doesn't work with the stock FC1 kernel so I had to install a Red Hat 9 kernel. I cannot get the Corda graphing server to run, and various issues with the newer NPTL and glibc stuff that requires patches to get Oracle to run. Though with Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3 with similar packages, the 3rd party support should pick up soon. Overall it is a good desktop, especially with freshrpms.net to get tons of extra packages.
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land,
it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison
Good grief - I've got boxen sitting all over round here - I've got a few SuSE desktops and several Mandrake servers (interesting problem in itself).
Now I downloaded Fedora Core 1 the other day with the intention of trying it out on one of our desktop systems.
Now another core is sceduled for April!
I can't keep up with this - This must be my penance for all those times I complained when I was an MSCE that the updates were too few and far between.
Ripping an new rectum in the fabric of spacetime.
Uh, the whole point of Fedora Core 1 is that it is bleeding edge. If your want something that is stable, FC-1 isnt it.
Yea, verily, and with what, pray, tell, shall we gag thee, Valley Geek?
Ah yes, with the new glibc we can use the linux kernel 2.6.0... TO THE MAX!!!
Yes, I'm anticipating that the Natalie Portman Threading Library will be something very special.
you want to run oracle? you should be useing Redhat enterprise.
I am the Alpha and the Omega-3
I'm New Here
It should give the RH bashers something to think about.
No, because Red Hat made a theme that looks the same on GNOME and KDE... and therefore made KDE inferior!! So they are evil and must die...nothing excuses this.
Incidentally, if anyone has ever doubted what a bunch of whining children KDE developers are... take a look at the recent UserLinux fuss. UserLinux (a distro based on Debian and started by Bruce Perens) recently decided to focus its efforts entirely on GNOME for the desktop. When Lindows, Connectiva or SCO focussed exclusively on KDE, GNOME developers just took it in... and went on developing their desktop. When UserLinux chooses GNOME, the KDE developers go into the ultra-flamewar mode that we've all seen before when they don't get their way. Frankly, they are a disgrace to the Free Software community and should shut the hell up... anf preferably go away.
With, like, negative moderation spoons and space cadet moderators that don't know a joke when they see one, like, TOTALLY!
It may be a troll...but it's true!
Debian is losing mojo fast.
Everyone is jumping ship or getting ready to.
Don't be the last one on the sinking Debian ship!
Sometimes the truth hurts.
Were the patent issues with SELinux ever resolved?
h tm l?tid=1550 224224.shtm l?tid=155
http://slashdot.org/articles/02/07/27/0224224.s
http://slashdot.org/articles/02/07/27/
I just glanced over SCC's Statement of Assurance, and it looks like it's void "...with respect to VPN gateways, perimeter and distributed firewalls, URL filtering, authentication and authorization for applications, hosts and devices, and other products..."
Debian has been a joke in the business community for a long time now but now even the geek community is jumping ship. Back 6 years ago I used to tolerate the constant political infighting and slow release schedule of Debian. But lately other distros have surpased Debian to such a degree that it makes debian look ridiculous and using Debian an excercise in masochism or stupidity. I don't know where Debian went wrong but its time to put the wooden stake into this blood-sucking monster once and for all. Debian is dead. It's time to move on.
Do you know how many YEARS it would take Debian to become standards compliant?! Approaching DECADES!
.deb/apt-get system has serious security issues that will never be fixed since it would take to much time/talent so instead they will just ignore it.
So the ego maniac developers just say "Those standards are stupid and suxy anyways so we don't have to comply with them" ya so maybe Microsoft thinks the same thing? If the ENTIRE community has chosen a standard STICK TO IT.
Debian refuses to come into standard compliance because they don't have the talent or the resource to ever pull it off. They can barely get a stable release out the door.
Oh and
Face it everyone accept old farts are jumping ship for gentoo, fedora or some BSD. Debian is passe.
Still I'll always fondly remember the 90s when Debian was king, those were the days, but the Linux game has changed a lot since the 90s. The pool of users has changed and people are more demanding today.
Debian is GHAY. Ghay as in Roy Horn, ghay. Ultra-ghay. Super-ghay. Super-Duper-Pooper-Scooper-Ghay.
Stable???? ROFLMAO If I see "Nautilus has encountered an error" one more flippin' time...
I am interested to know what is happening with "Export Approval". Are they removing code to make BXA happy? Just what demands/changes/modifications are being made to "comply" with export controls?
"Trademarks are the heraldry of the new feudalism."
I believe the response was because the writer felt that the reasons given for not choosing KDE boiled down to FUD. Whether or not that is true is a different issue. The writer seemed to feel that in writing on why he did not choose KDE, Perens was not giving a reasonable picture of the KDE project. And also perhaps that if you choose one product over another, it is good to list the positive reasons for the chosen product instead of the reasons you didn't choose the competitor.
and hes a subscriber... odd.
Sure you don't want to use it for a long term server, but plenty of people find Fedora stable enough for desktop use. Look at Mandrake, a lot of people use it and don't complain about stability even though they are notorious for being bleeding edge and doing things like ship RC packages.
I don't think its either fair or accurate to just call Fedora unstable, because it isn't. A lot of really smart people put it together and test it and they don't go out of their way to just blindly ship the latest package X just because its out there. For all the talk of "Bleeding Edge" Fedora's bleeding edge is a lot less sharp then some people like to claim.
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
Face it, Debian is passed its prime.
Unless you ever, you know, compile your own software.
I tried it out and my whole system locked. It was as if it was petrified.
Your courageous and selfless spelling corrections have made me a better person.
As I posted, in my experience FC1 is just as stable as Red Hat has been for me. I have not had any stability problems with it at all. The only problems I have ran into is with 3rd party applications that do not yet have support for the newer NPTL, glib or exec-shield.
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land,
it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison
All of our production servers run Red Hat AS 2.1. My workstation is running FC1 right now and I needed the Oracle client installed to connect/work with the Oracle servers running under AS 2.1.
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land,
it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison
Sorry, pad're, but Fedora is a byteboyz toyz only release. RedHats paying desktop lusrs are still orphaned.
Your mileage may vary, but I'm not having any problems with Fedora Core being used as a server. It's been running since the day it was first available for download, with zero downtime.
Can You Say Linux? I Knew That You Could.
Hey face it man it's true.
People have had enough of Debians shit.
same here:)
> If your want something that is stable, FC-1 isnt it.
:/
There's a ringing endorsement.
Not that I'd switch from Gentoo anyway.
--AROS is an Open Source AmigaOS clone, and source compatible with AmigaOS! Try the x86 build at http://www.aros.org
Didn't you hear? Linux isn't ready for the desktop!
Your server disto people say so!
+++OK ATH
In a recent interview, Bruce Perens mentioned quite a few reasons why Debian may be a much better option for former RH users than Fedora.
We agree and we are migrating to Debian.
I know there is a ppc dev version of Fedora, so why is there no release schedule for it?
Daryl
-- remove NOSPAM for actual email address -- Things are not as square as they may seem
NPTL support was first included in Red Hat 8.
No. It was Redhat 9.
if you check his journal. you'll see that someone gave it to him. a troll-fan. can you believe it...
Red Hat started with 2.4.2-2 included in the released distribution, not 2.4.7, their 2.4.7 was pretty good (remember they were always using 2.4.*-ac*), and to this day RHAS uses 2.4.9-something. It's just version numbers aren't really the "vanilla" kernel numbers, they're rather losely connected :)
Lam
"When UserLinux chooses GNOME, the KDE developers go into the ultra-flamewar mode"
And quite rightfully, I'd add.
If Lindows, Connectiva o SCO focussed on Gnome, the KDE team wouldn't have had *any* problem with it, since those are *private* corporations, just the same there's no problem with RH focusing on Gnome.
But userlinux is said to be an *open* intent to reach the corporate boxes, and here all the fuss comes to... specially when Perens' reasons are quite ludicrous!
An Evening with Bruce Perens
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What are you babbling about? What does "open" have to do with it? Should UserLinux supply every single desktop for Linux too?
Perens' reasons where quite simple: Qt/KDE costs too much -- it loads huge costs on to the end desktop developer. GNOME and KDE are roughly equal in features (GNOME ahead in some places, KDE in others), but GNOME is significantly cheaper to develop for. All the unsupported claims about Qt lowering TCO and the GNOME bashing were totally unjustifed and childish... as most people already know KDE developers are a bunch of petty adolescent flamers (as a quick look through the history of KDE will show). Even without the huge savings, choosing GNOME would still be the right option, as the KDE developers' behaviour showed.
"I can't keep up with this - This must be my penance for all those times I complained when I was an MSCE that the updates were too few and far between."
Look on the bright side. If you were on Debian the releases would be every five years.
Although you want to keep your boxes patched, no one says you have to upgrade everytime a release comes out