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Pop a Pill, Save Your Hearing

powlow writes "People who've had their ears damaged by gunfire, jackhammers or punk rock have traditionally had two choices: get hearing aids, or suffer in silence. But a new set of drugs, about to be tested on Marine recruits, is showing promise as a way to protect ears against the din."

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  1. Science fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    At the University of Michigan, for example, guinea pigs were blasted for five hours with 115 decibels of sound -- about the equivalent of a chainsaw.

    I like that word 'blasted'. Where can I get a job blasting helpless animals like that?

    1. Re:Science fun by hawkbug · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's horrible. I know drugs are good things, and need to be tested, but damn. That's inhumane treatment to animals. I'm no hippie or PETA member, but stuff like that makes me ill to think about.

    2. Re:Science fun by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Is it somehow less humane than, say, breeding them to be snake food?

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    3. Re:Science fun by the+pickle · · Score: 2, Funny

      Where can I get a job blasting helpless animals like that?

      At the University of Michigan, duh...

      -Captain Obvious

  2. Don't ask, don't tell by AtariAmarok · · Score: 4, Funny

    "tested on Marines", I just start to think of superviruses, and stuff like that"

    Just wait until Mary Kay discovers that it can do most of its lipstick and eye-shadow testing on platoons of Marines instead of rabbits.

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  3. A prophylactic, not a cure by WayneConrad · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Stop giggling at the title... you know what I mean.

    The first sentence implies that this is a cure; the second that this is a preventative measure. The second sentence is right. It can prevent hearing loss, but won't recover already lost hearing.

    If it were me, I'd take the pill and wear hearing protection. The pill seems like a great idea for those who simply can't have ear plugs.

    I understand that war doesn't stop for a soldier to insert ear plugs, but do soldiers use hearing protection at the firing range?

    1. Re:A prophylactic, not a cure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      So basically you put these pills in your ears and that dampens the noise? ;-)

    2. Re:A prophylactic, not a cure by advocate_one · · Score: 4, Interesting
      "but do soldiers use hearing protection at the firing range?"

      I think you'll find that it's mandatory under healt and safety at work legislation...
      I worked on the flightline and in an engine test house for a large chunk of my career. Ear defenders were issued and were to be worn at all times when the noise was above a certain threshold... (if you have to shout to be understood at a range of one metre then it's too loud and protection must be worn). I can happily say that I still have good hearing for my age considering what I was exposed to...

      What scares me about this pill is the trials... are they going to deliberately issue only pills to a trial group of marines??? Those marines are in no position to make an informed choice and properly volunteer for the trial.

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    3. Re:A prophylactic, not a cure by netfool · · Score: 2, Informative

      In In the US Army you have earplugs everywhere you go, its a part of your uniform. They're in a small case that hang from your inner left breast pocket & will have the Insignia or Crest of the unit you're in.

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    4. Re:A prophylactic, not a cure by advocate_one · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "The pills are antioxidants, and regularly sold as health supplements. I dont think it is putting the soldiers at risk."

      Ah but... the pills may not be putting the marines at risk, but the trial will involve using marines with just the pills versus a group of marines with conventional ear protection versus a control group of marines with NO hearing protection at all... In other words, someone's hearing IS going to be damaged in this trial, and the marines are not in a position to make informed consent as they are under orders and cannot refuse.

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  4. Potential tinnitus treatment? by bluethundr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    After playing in Punk bands, listening to Punk on walkmen and seeing other Punk bands play live I've had an awful case of Tinnitus since about 1990. Actually it started for me after seeing an industrial band play at a tiny nightclub in Neptune NJ.

    The suck-factor of this malady has increased over the past decade. But I've learned to live with it (for the most part, but it does drive me nuts occasionally). There are treatments out there that are mostly based on cognitive adaptation. I've also heard of some treatments involving massive doses of vitamin A. But the latter is a bit dicey, because if things go wrong you can easily poison yourself if the dosage is just a bit off.

    The article metiontions noise damage to the central ear - the cochlea - which is EXACTLY what caused my condition. The treatments in question could potentially reduce further damage to the inner. But I was *very* encouraged that they are also talking about the potential of hearing rehabilitation.

    I've always (having already been a fullbown by the age of 5) been fascinated with science and technology and believing it's inevitable upward spiral would yield miraculous advances. After having been injured (in no small part due to my own ignorance of human physiology) in this way, I've held onto that belief tighter than ever. This is a truly maddening condition.

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  5. Ringing in my ears... by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 4, Interesting

    People who've had their ears damaged by gunfire, jackhammers or punk rock have traditionally had two choices: get hearing aids, or suffer in silence.

    Ha! I wish I could suffer in silence.

    I haven't had a silent moment in probably 10 years (or more). Why? Because I have tinnitus, which is a constant high-pitched ringing noise-like sensation in my ears. I am not hearing a real noise, but something between my ears and my brain decide to generate a ringing noise which I hear every second of every day.

    If it is really quiet, the ringing can be very loud and unsettling. I've learned to deal with it. Usually the normal background noise in an office can mask the noise.

    I sleep with an airfilter on at night, on a low setting. The grey/white noise is loud enough to mask the ringing. Music/television are too distracting for sleep. My parents live in the country, and it's quiet. Hope I don't forget a noise generator...

    It was hard to sleep in Europe. Tourist hotels are usually pretty loud, and earplugs make it so I can only hear the ringing. Drunk Austrians running up and down the street 3:30AM, singing at the top of their lungs... ack! :)

    Oddly, one alcoholic drink subdues my sensation of the ringing.

    As a side effect, I have a really hard time hearing people in a crowded room, even if they are two feet from me. I can't carry on a conversation in most bars. Quiet resturants are great.

    My dad has it also. So either we have the same genetic predisposition to tinitus, or we have a genetic predisposition to listen to loud music :) Or both.

    Damn you Einstuerzende Neubauten and your damn forks on garbage can lids! And Black Flag and Pink Floyd and Led Zepplin and Metallica! Damn you to hell! :)

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    1. Re:Ringing in my ears... by Anonymous+DWord · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Oddly, one alcoholic drink subdues my sensation of the ringing.

      Not odd at all. Alcohol relaxes your ear bits. The AC marijuana suggestion might actually be a good one, if that doesn't go against your world view.

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    2. Re:Ringing in my ears... by fifedrum · · Score: 2, Informative

      yeah, I'm in the same ringing boat after years marching snare drum in a fife and drum corps. Those old style rope tension drums can get quite loud. My left ear was the one that was damaged by ~20 years of drumming, as the snare drum hangs off the left leg and the sound mostly hits the left ear. Then switched instruments 4 years ago and now my right ear is taking a beating. I started wearing an ear plug in whichever ear I need. Right for fife, left for snare. Anyone who thinks the bass beat at a hot nightclub is deafening hasn't been around a bunch of rudimental drummers.

      When one of my daughters screams, all I hear is ZTZTZTZTZTZTZTZTZT.

      We have a fan in the bedroom at night to generate noise as much as to circulate air, to cover the ringing. I'm lucky though, at least it isn't painful like many who suffer this condition.

      The point: Too many people ignore the need to protect the hearing starting from a young age. This stuff should be tought in school, and every adult that works with kids in loud situations should encourage good hearing protection (or suffer the wrath later!). I do now, I carry 50+ natural colored plugs in my haversack at each event and hand them out, and all our fifers learn to play the instrument with a plug in the right ear.

  6. Snicker snort! by WayneConrad · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oh, I do hope someone mods that up. I've got coffee dripping from my nose now.

  7. Oh great.... by rasteri · · Score: 5, Funny

    Soon I'm going to have to take TWO pills to go to clubs...

  8. damaged ears by Amiga+Lover · · Score: 5, Funny

    People who've had their ears damaged by gunfire

    I immediately wondered how a pill would protect against being shot in the side of the head.

  9. Re:some of us will need this sooner or later by Anonymous+DWord · · Score: 3, Informative

    One factor that makes concerts more damaging is that consuming alcohol makes your ears more susceptable to damage. Wear your earplugs, folks! If you're that concerned about your appearance, get some flesh-coloured electronic suckers. I know it's badass to go see Motorhead without anything, but when your ears are ringing the next day, you've been through too much.

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  10. Three Choices by lxt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "People who've had their ears damaged by gunfire, jackhammers or punk rock have traditionally had two choices: get hearing aids, or suffer in silence." Actually they have three choices - if they have the money (and their hearing loss is profound enough) they could purchase a cochlear implant (12 electrodes that are inserted into the cochlear to stimulate it, producing sound.)

  11. H.S. Bands are the worst hearing killers by DougHalfWay+AroundTh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The dirty little secret is that many, many H.S. band kids already have permanent hearing losses due to brass and percussion. UNT is just starting to discover this, but I'll bet if OSHA took SPL readings in the brass section, they would shut down every band in the U.S. How do I know? My son, the "ace" trumpeter in HS and UT, has major hearing loss. So, get your band kids hearing protectors and get them knowledgable about the dangers of loud sounds. Once they loose it, it can never come back.

    1. Re:H.S. Bands are the worst hearing killers by eggoeater · · Score: 2, Informative

      I played in HS band...never had a problem with the DB level, although my HS band was relatively small. I can see guys who play snare having problems. Those damn things were insanely loud.
      I am also an experienced sound engineer. I remember talking with a sax player in a loud band. He always wore a hat that covered his ears for protection. He said plugs were impossible since the vibration from the mouthpiece went through his teeth straight into his skull and it was impossible to hear his "tone". I played sax in HS band so I knew exactly what he was talking about.
      HS bands, (concert or marching), are incredibly dynamic (except for those snares...) compared to a rock band. I agree a HS band can get loud but playing with plugs would be impractical and,IMO, ruin the whole experience (not to mention the music being produced...."oh..was I playing too loud?")

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  12. Re:Rush Limbaugh by BluedemonX · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, I know you were trying to be funny, but apparently the Society of Audiologists or whatever are furiously trying to get the word out about drugs like oxycodone, etc. and people who might be chronic heavy users, for legitimate reasons or not.

    Apparently, they've been finding that people who take drugs in this class (vicodin, oxycodone, etc) can experience as a side effect sudden and near-total if not total and permanent hearing loss. Research is ongoing as to what's going on, but people who pop a lot of these pills for quite a while end up at risk for sudden deafness.

    Naturally, if you're in enough pain that you need that kind of trank to go on living without curling up into a foetal ball and losing the will to live 24hrs a day (like when cancer REALLY takes a hold) you couldn't really give a rat's ass about this possibility.

    But somehow I don't buy Rush's story about an auto-immune ear disease 86ing his hearing any more.

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