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Update on Alan Cox's Sabbatical

seymansey writes "ITWales, a company which resides on the Swansea University Campus has posted an interview with Alan Cox regarding his progress of his MBA. It also mentions his opinions on some legal matters that he shows interest in, as well as his plans for the future, and of course for Linux itself."

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  1. Geeks in management? by ObviousGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The brains of the company should be in the cube farm, not the board room.

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    1. Re:Geeks in management? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Surely the brains of the company should be everywhere? Techheads that understand marketing/sales/strategy are important, as are executives that appreciate engineering - otherwise you get a silo mentality in your company where marketing overcommits and blames the programmers, and where the engineers just want to play and find the customer a distraction.

    2. Re:Geeks in management? by rcarovano · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Based upon my experience, I would disagree. As someone with both EE and MBA degrees, my observation is that you need brains in all areas within a company. By brains, I mean more than know-how, but also the willingness and capability to do the right things right. An organization necessarily exists because one person can't do it all, thus brains are required in all functions. Just my humble opinion--would like to entertain other's thoughts and experience as well.

    3. Re:Geeks in management? by mentatchris · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This just has to be wrong. I've seen many a project bloat because my fellow coders have no sense of economics and think something will be fun to work on. I think it is good that everyone has the idea that the reason we get paychecks and can support our wives and kids is because as a whole the company adds value by selling things for more than they cost us. This entrepreneurial spirit might be something that helps differentiate small companies from big ones. I saw in software developer magazine that the MBA is growing as a choice of graduate degree for developers. I think this is a good thing... in a lot of ways, the software industry is inefficient. Having a bit more of an idea about the goals and costs and strategies that other industries have used is a good thing for all of us.

    4. Re:Geeks in management? by sapped · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I saw in software developer magazine that the MBA is growing as a choice of graduate degree for developers.

      Unfortunately the only problem with this so far appears to be the current crop. I have thus far met 9 developers who went and got themselves MBA's. Unfortunately every single one of them was not only pretty pathetic at coding, they were even more useless around a boardroom table.

      This has led to a quite widely held perception in our corporation that developers who try to "break" into management are the useless types who should be shunned at all costs.

      This is very sad, as I have conversely seen a lot of developers who are natural leaders (note - not managers) who were perfectly capable of running projects but were never given the opportunity because they didn't have the "credentials".

    5. Re:Geeks in management? by skaffen42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Damn, I am impressed. An MBA who actually used the works "my humble opinion" and did not seem to be joking at the same time. Now before anybody thinks I am just going after some quick karma by insulting MBAs, I actually have a point to make here.

      A lot of the MBA types I know really have a problem with listening to other people's ideas. Sometimes I think it has been trained out of them and replaced by the "I have an MBA so I'm always right" mentality to make them better prepared to deal with other hyper-assertive management types.

      This is fine, and probably a requirement to get anything done at higher levels of managment, but becomes a real problem when the time comes for the MBAs and the Geeks to work together. I have seen quite a few projects embarked upon only to fail due to obvious technical impossibilities, when asking a techie's opinion would have stopped the whole thing before the company blew a couple of million on a dead end project. Unfortunately, it is the technical team that gets fired while the MBA heads for the next "ooh, shiny" project.

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    6. Re:Geeks in management? by 4of12 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      executives that appreciate engineering

      I know all worker bee geeks constantly complain about the lack of management that has a clue about technology, so I'm generally in favor of more technical knowledge making its way into management ranks.

      But.

      Alan Cox has been such a phenomenally fantastic technical geek in the trenches that his loss will be felt if he does something else for a living.

      In the larger scheme of things, he'd have to be an exceptionally damn good manager to make up for his loss as direct worker.

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  2. who now by Syncroswitch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Time for a new slashdot poll..

    Who would you like to see (temporarily) fill cox's position.

  3. Check out that picture! by s20451 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Look at the picture and ask yourself: Can you see this man as a CEO? Would you even buy a used car from this man?

    Yes, yes, I know, the man is brilliant. But what I don't understand is: if geeks are so smart, why can't they realize that appearance counts in the business world?

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    1. Re:Check out that picture! by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Interesting

      But what I don't understand is: if geeks are so smart, why can't they realize that appearance counts in the business world?

      You don't understand : if you take a smelly unkept geek, strategically shave him and place him into a suit, you won't end up someone with a good appearance, you'll just end up with a clean geek in a suit.

      Geekiness is not about looks, it's an attitude. I personally know a lot of clean 3-piece suited geeks, as well as female geeks, one of which is a stay-at-home mom who previously had a brilliant career in the perfume industry, and I guarantee you if you don't know them and you put them behind an IRC client, you'll imagine them as Alan Coxes or Richard Stallmans.

      There's a je-ne-sais-quoi that makes a geek a geek regardless of his/her outside appearances.

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    2. Re:Check out that picture! by cuiousyellow · · Score: 2, Funny

      Indeed -- I'm reminded of the saturday night live skit interview with the unabomber police sketch artist.

      Interviewer: "It seems that you always draw the sketches of suspects wearing aviator sunglasses?"

      Artist: "Yeah, uhm, I've never been very good with eyes".

      Interviewer: "...and the hat?"

      Artist: "Uhm, yeah... not too good with hair either."

    3. Re:Check out that picture! by elpapacito · · Score: 2, Interesting

      why can't they realize that appearance counts in the business world?

      They sometime do, but when at work their main concern is not the look of who's selling/presenting/pushing the product, their concern is the quality and price/performance ratio. The color of your tie has absolutely no relevance except as an aid for lack of self esteem or a distraction from the flaws of the product ; that is not to say you can't wear a tie or a nice suit, but at the end they're totally irrilevant cause many geeks try very hard not to judge people by look (but contemporary society pushes them into this kind of judging) or products by look (they'll do that regardless of external irrilevant influences).

      "Excutive Review" : geeks don't like baloney.

  4. OOH OOH ooh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    In other news, this morning Linus woke up at 6:30, showered and shaved, and had a bowl of grape nuts cereal for breakfast, after which he had his morning coffee and drove off to work.

  5. Re:Alan Cox goes on sabbatical and gets /. article by smoking2000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    What the hell would /. do if Linus spent an evening partying in a whorehouse?

    Be jealous, sigh, and compile the laterst 2.6 kernel?

  6. Other Info on Herr Cox by cluge · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Alan Cox did a lot of work on the "Alpha Linux" stuff for redhat. He always seemed to have the answers when those of us that used Alpha based machines ran into problems. His "online diary" can be found at http://www.linux.org.uk/diary/ and when he was deeply involved in the kernel, I used to read it constantly because the stuff he was working on was the stuff that interested me. This interview just confirms one thing for me. I owe him a great big Thank You, his help to Linux over the years has been invaluable. Should I ever meet Alan, he's going to get a beer on me.

    AngryPeopleRule

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  7. My personal opinion by psxndc · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The reason for me is because I believe looks shouldn't matter. They always will, and that is unfortunate, but it will never shake the tenant from my mind that "if they can do the job, it doesn't matter what they look like." But that's a geek's perspective. Taller people will always make more money and attractive people will always get raises first because often geeks aren't making those decisions. It sucks, but that's the way it is. We can only try to improve the situation by not acquiescing and being who we are. We don't have to be obnoxious about it, but hope springs eternal that someday people will accept someone for who they are and what they can accomplish instead of the product they use in their hair or the name on the inside of their blazer. *shrug*

    psxndc

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    1. Re:My personal opinion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      Taller people will always make more money

      That's not always just an arbitrary decision. Taller (men) are promoted to leadership roles because it's usually in the best interests of the group.

      Tall men are usually more (overly) confident in their abilities and less likely to have a *chip* on their shoulders or the ambition to *prove* themselves to make up for a feeling of inadequacy that short men might have developed.

      They're usually lazier and more likely to delegate tasks and, in turn, others (short women) are more likely to want to provide for them. It turns out that that's exactly the behaviour you'd want from a leader.

      Short men, otoh, usually take a more hands-on, dictatorial leadership style. That never works.

      Take famous tyrants, like Napoleon, Stalin, Bush II, and Kim-Jong Il. They're all midgets. You'd never know it, though, because every one of them went to absurd lengths to make themselves appear taller. Kim-Jong Il wears platform shoes and has that bouffant hairdo. Do you ever recall seeing any pictures or footage of Stalin *standing* up next to anyone? In most of the WWII meetings, he was sitting next to FDR and Churchill, but his feet weren't touching the ground. In other footage, he was always looking down on a crowd, standing behind a railing that concealed his lower body. Remember the footage of Bush shaking Aahnold's hand? I bet it didn't look odd if you didn't notice that Bush was standing on a platform and Arnold wasn't.

  8. Re:Alan Cox goes on sabbatical and gets /. article by reignbow · · Score: 2, Funny

    What the hell would /. do if Linus spent an evening partying in a whorehouse? Easy. Do a slashdotting on the whorehouse's website.

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  9. Re:How is this important? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    >> Honestly, who gives a crap?

    Actually I found this story quite fascinating. Not because I am interested in any of their personal stories or habits(which I am not), but it shows how versatile he is. He was (and is) an exceptionally talented and focused programmer. And now he is successfully doing something which is usually at the other end of the spectrum. Usually geeks have absolute despise for management. And he seems to be an exception in these cases.

  10. Who the fuck writes this tripe? by tomstdenis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "A kernel hacker in the employ of Red Hat and widely accepted as second only to Linus Torvalds himself in the echelons of open source illuminati"

    First off, he's not a kernel hacker. He's a kernel developer. I'd like to think the changes he makes are well thought out [to the extent possible].

    Second, Linux Torvalds is by far not the largest OSS contributor in the world. First off, there are 100s of Kernel developers. Second, what of all the userland and development tools required to build the fucking kernel in the first place? Did those just pop out of the wind?

    Sure Linus has contributed a huge gift to the OSS community but it isn't like OSS wouldn't exist without him. For starters, the GNU organization pre-dates Linux by quite a while.

    Whoever wrote the article should do some fucking research first and less idol worshiping.

    Tom

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    1. Re:Who the fuck writes this tripe? by Effugas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Tom--

      Alan's pulled off some gnarly stunts with the 2.2ac series; some definite hackworhty brilliance. Remember, hacker isn't a prejorative, any more than soldier is. I do understand the distinction you're trying to make, but it's pretty likely that Alan would call himself a kernel hacker.

      I should point out they weren't talking about lines of code as much as public respect. Who's the lead coders of Samba? I know Tridge and Jeremy, but most don't. How bout Apache? KDE? Even if you can name them, they don't compare to Alan and Linus for not only coding so much themselves, but so successfully managing those hundreds of other kernel developers.

      Yes, you need devtools to build a kernel. That doesn't make the kernel unimpressive.

      It's very interesting what would have happened had Linux not shown up. I expect BSD would have forked into what Linux became. Had AT&T's lawsuit not slowed things down for years, Linux would not have happened, as BSD would have been far more mature at the appropriate time. How strange is that?

      --Dan

    2. Re:Who the fuck writes this tripe? by corebreech · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Not to take anything away from Alan Cox, but this phrase:
      ...and widely accepted as second only to Linus Torvalds himself in the echelons of open source illuminati...

      That's just silly. If they had said Linux kernel source illuminati instead, obviously I'd agree. But all of open source? I'm sorry, that just isn't so.

      I'm not even sure Linus rates #1 here... RMS has a very beefy claim to this throne too. Certainly, if there's a #1 and a #2, it's these two guys who are duking it out. Not Alan Cox.
    3. Re:Who the fuck writes this tripe? by tomstdenis · · Score: 3, Informative

      That sounds like someone who isn't responsible for working code speaking...

      A developer plans, organizes, designs and makes sure that the end product meets specifications [e.g. on time, within budget and does what the requirements state].

      A programmer [or hacker] takes a problem and writes code to solve it. They're not responsible for the bigger picture and they certainly don't control the design or requirements.

      Think of a developer as an engineer/architect and a programmer as a construction crew worker. They're both skilled people in their own respects just one position is a tad more academic than the other.

      I'd trust an architect or engineer more to design my house than I would a carpenter or welder. Just like I'd trust a software developer more to engineer a system to fulfill my requirements more than I would a programmer who only thinks about the coding aspect and nothing else.

      And if still don't think I have a valid point look at the # of dormant OSS libraries out there that mirror functionality. They were all written by programmers who saw an immediate problem and churned out the code to solve it [or at least partly solve it]. A true developer would have made a quality library [or improved an existing one] followed specs to the "T" and produced a library others would use instead of inventing their own...

      tom

      Tom

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    4. Re:Who the fuck writes this tripe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful


      Alan has always been active in the hacking culture. A solid 'developer' is going to be a well conditioned person capable of not only thinking in the box but understanding the box.

      A hacker is not afraid to think outside of the box. A good hacker also understands the box. Alan is an excellent hacker.

      This is also why he will make a great leader in the biz world if he decides to go that direction.

    5. Re:Who the fuck writes this tripe? by Quixote · · Score: 4, Interesting
      First off, he's not a kernel hacker. He's a kernel developer.
      Maybe you need to read the true definition of a "hacker", instead of the NYT definition?

      Second, Linux Torvalds is by far not the largest OSS contributor in the world. First off, there are 100s of Kernel developers.
      Linus' biggest contribution, IMHO, is coordinating the whole kernel thing. They should give him a f'in Nobel just for that. Don't believe me? Try coordinating a small group of programmers in a company. See how difficult it is. Now, imagine doing the same with

      • 100s of developers, each of whom has a sizable ego, and is a prima donna in his/her own mind (no offense meant)
      • 100s of developers, who are spread out all over the world, each working at his/her own schedule
      • 100s of developers, who aren't paid, which means you can't even hold the "you're fired" axe over their heads
      just to name a few.

      Believe me, managing hackers is quite hard. Someone once rightfully said, it is like herding cats. And Linus is the best damn cat-herder in the world today.

    6. Re:Who the fuck writes this tripe? by segmond · · Score: 2, Interesting

      a very simple question.

      what will be the state of open source today without linux?

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  11. Fewer Programming jobs? by mschaffer · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wonder if Mr. Cox has read the article on the 235,000 Fewer Programmers by 2015. Maybe this is why he is getting an MBA?

  12. Iechyd da! by openmtl · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Alan would make a good geek in the boardroom. Good to see he's making progress in welsh even if few out of Wales can read the menus either. He did mention that when he handed over maintainance to Marcelo Tosatti two years or so back.

    Supporting minority languages on our favourite Open Source OS is about accessibilty to all. Essential in multi-cultural Europe. At least 500,000 people would be interested in welsh so still a very good audience.

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  13. Cox Sabbatical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Even Ron Jeremy needs a rest from time to time.

  14. Geek-to-Suit Program by spamhog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >> There's a je-ne-sais-quoi that makes
    >> a geek a geek regardless of his/her
    >> outside appearances.

    The likelyhood of a besuited geek showing his geekiness to a hardcore suit on IRC is a big fat 0.

    I am a part-time suit, and we're explicitly taught to act somewhat superficial and semi-moronic because in most settings this IS the most effective long-term way to extract the best out of fellow humans.

    In a way, a suit is complementary to a semi-Asperger type, with a focus switched away from the mechanics of things, and into the mechanics of humans. Not surprising that most suits come across as semi-moronic. They are, just not in the same way as geeks.

    If you want to "fool" a suit, or at least not to antagonize hir, it's actually quite easy to pretend you're one, and also eventually to become one. Gates did it very effectively for almost 20 years, even if some claim he's a mild Asperger.

    The opposite (suit->geek) is nary impossible, as it involves a lot more cerebral hardwiring that has to be developed over the years, preferably from a tender age.

    I thoroughly applaud Alan's choice to get an MBA. An MBA'ed second-in-command in the Linux camp can't but help.

    Think of this: Who will dare accuse a masterized AC of being a communist, anti-business, anti-western, anti-American, anti-copyright, or a child eater for that matter?

    Adopting a radical hair control policy might be a good idea. Steve Jobs did that when it became necessary to attract capital from Republican-leaning sources. But he wasn't that famous at the time.

  15. My retort by glpierce · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sorry, but I've never respected that attitude. It's idealistic, wasteful, and is more often rationalization than action.

    Firstly, what should and shouldn't be is irrelevant in the real world. Idealistic attitudes will get you nowhere but the gutter, and if you don't like it, tough. This is a society - "social" being the same root. Your ideal situation doesn't matter, the actual happenings in the social (interpersonal) world do. I don't think looks should matter either (to an extent), but I'm not going to shoot myself in the foot and declare "if it's not the way I think it should be, I'll boycott it" with respect to society (buying CDs and software is a mainly a personal matter, so it's a different story). You're free to hold your belief, you're free to hold yourself back by clinging onto it, and we're free to not care. Sorry, but your theory will have only one immediate outcome: you will make less money, get worse jobs, and all the trickle down effects of monetary issues will follow. Cheers.

    Societal change is a bigger issue than one man/woman looking like a slob; if you want it not to matter, try having intelligent discussions about it with people, and if you're put in the position to hire/fire, do your best.

    Secondly, looks have to matter, but to a different extent than current. An unkempt person is a clear sign of an unkempt lifestyle; if you don't take the time to do your laundry, why would I think you'd take the time to do your job well? Throwing on whatever clothes are available suggests you'll do the minimal amount of work necessary for any task - not exactly the person I'd want working for me. Being tall you can't control - that shouldn't matter. If you are willing to invest the energy and time to stay/get in good shape to improve your health (and appearance), it suggests that you're also likely to go beyond the call of duty to present a nice finished product at your job. Your appearance is the simplest reflection of your mind; it's the easiest thing to see when meeting someone, and can tell a lot (though for the most part only negatives). Most people can dress nicely, but very few are willing to look like a slob. Take your pick, but don't blame society when you really just need a haircut.

    In my experience (including my own history), the whole 'society shouldn't care so I'll just do my own thing' stance is usually just rationalization. It's an easy way to make your own laziness or hatred of fashion into a righteous crusade. That may not be the case for you, but it is for many (most commonly seen in the goth/punk communities today). It's no surprise that there are far fewer punks/goths/etc over the age of 25 than under. People mature, and when they do, they realize that they're only hurting themselves by shunning societal norms.

    (I'm not pointing the finger at you, psxndc, so don't take it personally.)

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  16. Slashdot -- People magazine for the IT world by swb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've always found the People-magazine like fawning over the "stars" of Open Sourcedom alternately nauseating and amusing.

    I'm not trying to take anything away from the accomplishments of Alan or anyone else. And there are times where features of people are worthwhile, but only when they've done or said something noteworthy. "Alan Cox went to class today" isn't one of them. "Alan Cox gets a crew cut", however, would be..

  17. I do believe Mr Cox reads these comments, by The+Cydonian · · Score: 2, Interesting
    or even if he doesn't, this has probably already been discussed here by now, but as a CS major who will be graduating in another few days (thank you, thank you), I have to ask:- does anyone know why he's pursuing an MBA?

    I mean, the article seems to suggest that he'll jump back into kernel development and not take a management job after his MBA.

    1. Re:I do believe Mr Cox reads these comments, by haedesch · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I guess those management skills can come in handy when managing a team of OSS developpers...

  18. My counter retort by sjames · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you don't take the time to do your laundry, why would I think you'd take the time to do your job well?

    If you have a bunch of free time to do laundry, you must not stay late or go to work early.

    Throwing on whatever clothes are available suggests you'll do the minimal amount of work necessary for any task - not exactly the person I'd want working for me.

    Spending all that time and money on cloths means you'll be more worried about damaging your clothes than in getting the job done. If I wanted a model, I'd have advertised for one.

    That said, there is some room to compromize. Showing up for a meeting sporting long hair pulled back and braided (on a man) can be a show of confidence and authority. Grooming shows that there is care, non-comformity shows that the person is certain that their contribution will speak for itself (better be able to back that up, or it won't work). At other times, merely decent-ish grooming can be OK. It can project that there is a lot of work being done and no time for niceties.

    The real key is knowing the difference.

    Personally, I never wear a suit. The only image I project in a suit is that I'm not comfortable. In business casual, I tend to project a much more credible image.

    For day to day work, I tend to be more casual. The impressions have been made and now I'm there to WORK, since I'm not an actor, I don't need a costume.

    AC or RMS's appearance is likely appropriate to what they are doing. RMS is not running a company and meeting with investors, he is encouraging programmers and sysadmins to support free software. AC was leading a kernel dev team, and is now going to school. Presumably, should he decide to use his MBA later, his appearance will change to suit the occasion.

    I suppose I'm not exactly agreeing or disagreeing with you, just putting things in context.

  19. Re:Alan Cox goes on sabbatical and gets /. article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    "What the hell would /. do if Linus spent an evening partying in a whorehouse?"

    Hopefully post a report with pictures? ;)

  20. Alan Cox (AC) is a Welshman... by rjamestaylor · · Score: 3, Funny
    ALAN COX (AC) IS A WELSHMAN
    by Darl McBride

    AC is a Welshman,
    He's an IP thief;
    AC copied UNIX,
    And stole our SMP.

    I went to AC's house,
    AC wasn't home;
    AC copied UNIX,
    And made a NUMA clone.

    I went to AC's house,
    AC was in bed;
    I grep'ed through his source code,
    And beat about his head.

    AC is a Welshman,
    Linux is a sham;
    AC copied UNIX,
    And stole our grep and man.
    I went to AC's house,
    AC was away;
    I stuffed CVS with trojans,
    And filled his logs with clay.

    AC is a Welshman,
    AC was a cheat;
    AC copied UNIX,
    And stole our SMP.

    I went to AC's house,
    AC did prepare;
    I grab his cat and traceroute
    He kicked me you-know-where.

    *Derived without authorization from Mother Goose's "Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a Thief" Nursery Rhyme

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